Devil and God..what would you ask them?

[BugsyB]

so you have to meet both the Devil and God....what would you ask them?

and what do you think they would ask you?

i would ask them: why?

and i think they would ask me..WTF is that all you can do? hahahaha

 

[Tom]

If I was meeting them, then I guess my main question would already be answered. " Are you real"?
Then I would ask God, why he would allow evil?
"Is there an afterlife"?

 

[smallsleepyrascalcat]

I would ask both if I could have their job... and after that I'd install a regime of terror over the world with all cute little twinks having to serve me :devil:

 

[Tom]

I have thought of another question?

How did you come into existence?

 

[Tjerk12]

I would introduce myself and ask them: "are you new in this neighborhood? Because I never have seen you around before".

 

[Tom]

I thought of another one!

Could I have my money back? This ride wasn't so fun!

 

[brmstn69]

I'd ask God if he thought it was funny to give us free will and then make us too stupid as a whole to accomplish anything meaningful with it.

The Devil, I'd ask if he could offer a better deal...

 

[ggold]

I would ask who they really are, as they are imposters - neither exists.

I have thought of another question?

How did you come into existence?

But the reason many believe they do exist is largely tied up in that very question. People seem to think that because they do not/can not understand something at the moment, or are too lazy to think things through, there must be a deity involved. Not so. Think about the past. We did not know much of anything except how to survive. Then we discovered germs and medicines. Then after many generations we managed to land on the moon and use nuclear energy. Someday we may understand the true source of everything.

But in the meantime, someone - a pretty clever someone, I must admit - discovered that they could claim to have the inside track to the deity, and now make money hand over fist, own extremely valuable real estate, and don't have to pay taxes on any of it. And, they get to make millions of people do their bidding, mostly by leveraging the fear they have generated over the centuries. The word for that is scam. The trick is to think for yourself, and get on with your life.

 

[obyrna]

I would ask who they really are, as they are imposters - neither exists.

But in the meantime, someone - a pretty clever someone, I must admit - discovered that they could claim to have the inside track to the deity, and now make money hand over fist, own extremely valuable real estate, and don't have to pay taxes on any of it. And, they get to make millions of people do their bidding, mostly by leveraging the fear they have generated over the centuries. The word for that is scam. The trick is to think for yourself, and get on with your life.

Yeah right. What a load of bullcrap. You're saying this with the established and hierarchical religions that exist today in mind. What about the druidic religions? Norse beliefs? Ancient Egyptian beliefs (not the pantheism of dynastic Egypt!)? The Vedic, Puranic and Upanishadic Hinduism of the Ancients? These were all non-codified, non-institutional. No single governing body or a set-apart class of priests or religious people.

Going even further back.... What about animalistic and naturist beliefs? Whom were they lording over? What tax exemption and real estate did they benefit from?

The answer lies in man's inherent curiosity about the world around him and his inherent feeling of insignificance. Too easily is he laid low by disease and calamity.

Even today when we're at the height of modernistic and secularist beliefs we still don't have the answers to everything and neither shall we ever.

It is extremely foolish to claim without a doubt that God is non-existent. Belief in God comes through personal revelation and cannot thus be discussed on a general level as scientific beliefs and hypotheses are. Belief in God may be justified on grounds of such revelations.

Saying that God doesn't exist just because the individual hasn't experienced the divine just yet is quite a folly.

 

[Tom]

I would ask who they really are, as they are imposters - neither exists.



But the reason many believe they do exist is largely tied up in that very question. People seem to think that because they do not/can not understand something at the moment, or are too lazy to think things through, there must be a deity involved. Not so. Think about the past. We did not know much of anything except how to survive. Then we discovered germs and medicines. Then after many generations we managed to land on the moon and use nuclear energy. Someday we may understand the true source of everything.

But in the meantime, someone - a pretty clever someone, I must admit - discovered that they could claim to have the inside track to the deity, and now make money hand over fist, own extremely valuable real estate, and don't have to pay taxes on any of it. And, they get to make millions of people do their bidding, mostly by leveraging the fear they have generated over the centuries. The word for that is scam. The trick is to think for yourself, and get on with your life.

So, in other words, what you've just told me is:
Since I'm a believer I am obviously to damn stupid an lazy to think on my own!
Thanks for clarifying that for me.

 

[ggold]

No, only that they have been successful. One of the things they do is manipulate you so that you no longer feel the need to investigate further. Why do you think there are so many who do believe.

In the end it is your choice. Sort of.

 

[obyrna]

No, only that they have been successful. One of the things they do is manipulate you so that you no longer feel the need to investigate further. Why do you think there are so many who do believe.

In the end it is your choice. Sort of.

Belief, as I said in my previous post, may not be quantified. There may be and need be no reason or cause for a person's belief in the divine other than a personal revelation/feeling/choice.

You've put your own foot in your mouth by admitting it comes down to personal choice.

Don't try to foist your unbelief and scepticism on others. You choose not to believe due to an individual choice, lacking though it is in reasoning. Believers are not in the wrong.

 

[ggold]

You apparently missed the "Sort of." By the time most people are capable of thinking for themselves, it is too late. They have been indoctrinated by parents, publications, etc. as children. But believe what you wish, it is your option. Sort of.

As to the inability to quantify, that is always a good defense. Don't use facts, use feelings! Never a problem having those disproved. I told you, those people were pretty clever.

Oh, and BTW, I have been there. Twice. The last when I was old enough to know better. Fortunately, nature was strong enough to return me to disbelief. And the old saw applies to me: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[XMan101]

Just a friendly note before this gets too heated or personal - please keep it friendly guys. Religion always produces strong views, but it's fine as long as we realise we all have opinions and beliefs and it's discussed objectively

Thanks

Carry on...

 

[ggold]

Just a friendly note before this gets too heated or personal - please keep it friendly guys. Religion always produces strong views, but it's fine as long as we realise we all have opinions and beliefs and it's discussed objectively

Thanks

Carry on...

That is very true. Thanks for intervening.

And I should add that while there are many reasons for believing in a deity, it is not so much the belief itself that is at issue. It is the human inventions - religions if you will - that are the truly unfortunate part.

 

[ggold]

Very true. But I sense a bit of semantic hair splitting here.

As I first mentioned, the existence of a deity is a question we can not understand completely in our current state of development. Perhaps eventually. Until then, we are "free" to believe what we want to.

But from my perspective, using all the tools we have at our disposal, the case seems to weigh heavily on the side of "no guiding being(s)" being responsible.

 

[Brian-VL]

First back to the toppic

now the devil I would ask, if he fucks me now

and the Lord I would ask, if he loves me :rofl:

Believing is pretty simple, just love the humans/creatures like they are and you are way more in true believing then so much churches try to tell you.

Don't let anybody tell you what is right or what is wrong, just lissen to your own.
Churches did so often wrong, and still do so.

Just a sample, it is proofen, by medical studies, that being gay is already a fact in the mothers body, because of a lack of enzymes.
Means clear it is given by the Lord! So it also means, it can't be evil.

Now lets see how long churches need to figure out, that they do wrong there for ages also.

 

[Tjerk12]

I am an atheist. I do not believe that a God exists. The fundament for that meaning is not mathematical scientifically, no it is a feeling. I am not able to prove that God doesn’t exist. I have to believe that. So I am a believer, a deeply believing atheist. I have not the intention to win souls for my religion. Everybody is free to make his own choice and their opinion deserves my respect, the same way as I expect from them.
Maybe a good question for God and the Devil would be:
“Gentlemen, do you believe in yourself?”

 

[ggold]

I agree with most of what you say. But I am willing to allow for the possibility that one exists. It is just that all the evidence I see seems to indicate that there isn't one. I repeat that I think we are just not capable of answering every question. Whether there is a god or not is one of those.

But if there is one, I absolutely do not believe that it wants me to do all of the crazy things religions levy upon their members. And which things, by the way, seem to vary radically from religion to religion. Most, if not all but one, if not all, of them can not be right.

 

[Tjerk12]

In all religions there is an amount of wishfull thinking. I read a lot of Genesis strories. One of the most beautiful was of New Guinea. In the beginning God formed a human from clay. He baked it in the oven. After a while he removed it. The result was pale. To short thougt God and made a new one. Much longer he baked it. But then it was black. To long, he thought. So he baked it on the average time. Then the human was brown. That's nice, God thought. So it should be done.

Nearly all religions have elementary good things. It is the way people handle it that causes problems.