do we need to be loved?

[Thor]

do we need to be loved?

how important is love for you?

 

[hammervice]

u dont need love ppl just want it, its not that important to me

 

[Thor]

im sorry ham, but i think its maybe the most important thing, but..im still not sure

 

[XMan101]

Of course it's important !! You have to be a very cold individual to not want it - or very bitter to reject it !

 

[Thor]

i think I'm bitter...does that make me bad? I seem so impersonate now

 

[slimjim]

It dosen't make you bad....it makes you a CHALLANGE

 

[hammervice]

i dont think it the most important thing, but hey its not for me maybe for otheres and the lonley ppl out there

 

[ritsuka]

Saying we 'need to be loved' makes it sound very passive - like that we need to be surrounded by fawning boys who 'love' us but are meaningless to our own presence. I think I prefer sharing kindness, support, and comfort as opposed to not - but that doesn't necessarily have to come from/with romantic love, as it can be with friendship too. We probably don't need infatuation - but it can be inspiring sometimes.

 

[XMan101]

Different sorts of love - there is the love of friends, family and there is the love of a good man or woman.

I don't need the latter so much, even though I enjoy it when it happens and it does make you feel good!! Love & affection is better than sex, and casual sex has long ceased to be important to me, which is why I don't bother.

Having close friends is very important, they are there forever, and that is a sort of love

 

[XMan101]

I don't believe you just wrote that from the top of your head

It very nearly went over the top of mine lol

 

[ritsuka]

An obsession with body is another effect of modernity: I am my body. This is, at the emotional level, the sexualization if everything, all relations. If you believe that a human being is truly amazing (by default, no exceptions) that you can escape the limitations of physicality, or of externalized emotion/morality (religion).

Personally, yes, I am my body; and that is a good thing for me. It doesn't mean sexualizing everything, it means admitting I'm a mammalian animal and that my body has feelings and memories and needs and specifications that can't be ignored for a supposedly 'higher pursuit' that religions, codes of spirituality etc dictate; and on the same lines, the pursuit of love and sex shouldn't go so far as to harm and ignore myself in the process. Since humans are physical, I think believing that humans are truly amazing shouldn't have a flip side of also insisting it isn't enough to be human, that it or ourselves must be transcended...

 

[XMan101]

It's too late for me lol I thought I was philosophical but I'm now treading water !!

 

[ritsuka]

Interesting points. However, it is presupposition to claim that we (or the world) are entirely physical. The matter of transcendence is also problematic, and it is, primarily, a religious concept. My point was to agree with you in that emotion is not to be centered or invested in the external constructs of society. However, externality and transcendence, while related, are not the same thing.

Externality, for the purposes of this discussion, refers to the institutions and structures of society. This issue can be treated as separate from the concern with body or physicality. Yes, we are biological entities, but at the same time are we not influenced in our belief systems and behaviors by family, educational, religious and political structures? Many conceptions of transcendence allow religious institutions in particular to draw authority from that which is not merely beyond the physical world, but beyond the human or social world.

Therefore, problems of definition notwithstanding, what is at stake is a concern over extremes. To invest oneself fully in 'god' (metaphysical) can be a basis for a fundamentalist religious belief --to invest oneself (or humanity) in body (physical) alone is, similarly, a form of extremism.

A useful simplification: science, especially evolutionary biology, concerns itself with 'form' and the various forms of life and existence --even earlier forms, or the origins of life. On another level, philosophers ask questions about 'matter', or substance (think 'substratum'), that which takes form. But, what is origin of matter?

Returning to Plato (the oldest queen of then all): "wisest is he who knows that he does not know!"

One final thought is that it is best to think in terms of what (or who!) outside of me is putting the limitations in place, as opposed to this idea that "I am limited."

I'm not really so concerned about 'we' here--if you prefer religion and other such things, then fine. But I am a body, and I do not care about what is supposedly "extreme" or moderate, but what my body wants and is comfortable with in the amount it wants must be right without labels. I don't see that engaging with other humans in human systems make me any less of a human body, but then, as I said, I don't feel it makes me terribly carnal either. To engage in abstraction is certainly fine, but as I said above, I don't think it should involve hurting oneself, damaging ones body, denying oneself seriously.

 

[Thor]

hmmm, all are interesting points, but it seems to me the only restraints we have are ultimately in are own minds, after all that is the only true thing we might control, but as for love..is it an emotion? or a function of what we learn?

is it possible for someone that never had love, too love? I mean: I was born to what i know as a loving family (I was hugged and kissed and all that...) so that's my basis for what love is but is that really love?

so maybe the question should be: What is love? what is your perception of love?

 

[intensepump]

All the answers can be found in Star Wars....just ignore the bad acting

"the darker side of politics"...it is much worse than most know....and the dark side is winning.

 

[Thor]

All the answers can be found in Star Wars....just ignore the bad acting

"the darker side of politics"...it is much worse than most know....and the dark side is winning.

hey babe..dont get cynical on me now we need all the good politicians we can get

(good politicians? is that an oxymoron?)

 

[wezzer]

I honestly think the only true, true happiness you can get in this world is when you love someone and are loved in return. I think that nothing else can really match that, cos I think that the love is the only thing that can fill that void that I think is in everyone somewhere.

 

[XMan101]

I honestly think the only true, true happiness you can get in this world is when you love someone and are loved in return. I think that nothing else can really match that, cos I think that the love is the only thing that can fill that void that I think is in everyone somewhere.

You know, I think you're absolutely right with that !!

As much as some do enjoy being single (or profess to) there is something missing however hard we try to ignore it!

 

[Thor]

ya, i think in some ways I'm missing it always, it just seems to make me sad at times

 

[bloop2]

I like love.. <3 and I love people back <3