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How to tell gay or straight?

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How do you all tell if a person is gay or straight?
And how do you go about meeting them?

Some examples would be,
Say you are walking in a store and someone is walking towards you and they smile and say hello or just smile. This person could be gay and likes you or this person could just be acting polite. What would you do?

Another one would be you are walking and someone walks in front of you and from time to time he looks back at you. Now this person could be gay, and likes you. Or does not like you walking behind him / Paranoid. What would you do?

I think you get the idea, now let’s hear some things that happened to you and what you did and how it worked out.
 

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Well, let's break this down. If you are cruising for a sexual partner then you need this information quickly. On the other hand if you are interested in a friendship and maybe more, then you can figure this out over a period of time.

Hard core cruising is a body language and ritual that would take a book to document. I haven't done any of that in 15 years, so I'm probably not the best person to ask. I'll just sum it up by saying that if the other party is interested in you then they will be trying to make sure that you get the message. No one is being coy and playing hard to get; it's just not efficient.

If instant gratification is not the goal, then the truth is that you don't need to know right away. Just meet the guy. Say something about what you are both doing. Ask him for advice. This isn't any different from meeting anyone else. Find out if you have a connection or something in common. Go for coffee or give him your phone number if he seems interested.

Make sure in the first or second meeting you let him know that you are gay. You don't have to make a big deal out of it. It can be as simple as using the right pronoun, or mention something you did with your last boyfriend. Once that is out there a guy that is interested in you will make sure that you know that he also is gay and his relationship status. A straight guy will usually slip in an indication that he is straight just so you don't get the wrong idea about what's happening between you.

The wild card is the closeted gay guy who might not say anything; he's so used to hiding. But do you really want the drama of becoming a secret boyfriend? It's usually not worth the effort, and it rarely ends well.

If you both like each other and have revealed your sexual preferences, then you are off and running.
 

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This is a sticky situation because we all pick up on different things. However, for me, I can usually detect by listening to the type of conversation he's capable of having. Many guys like to have that one-on-one attention and can tell you a lot if you give them your undivided attention. I can also pick up on their body language as well as the eye contact. For example, this one guy whom made a point to talk about the women in his life, but this one day, this relationship he had with this one in particular was over. Therefore, I allowed him to express his feelings and he asked my opinion or how I would handled it. What I noticed throughout the conversation was how he stared into my eyes which I could tell his mind was not totally focused on my advice. I also noticed how his eyes would wander down to my crotch area more than once. However, I never brought this up to him because I wanted to see where this was going. Nonetheless, each time I was in his company with just the two of us, he would stare at my lips, my crotch and my ass. He even asked if he could take a couple of pics for his cell phone. With that being said, I detected that he was either bi or a closet case...therefore, I would just listen and observe...
 

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Maybe a little less black and white approach of these problems is also possible. I am bi and when I was a youngster I met a really beautiful boy (his name was Tjerk. That is why I have chosen Tjerk as my nickname). He was also bi. I had a girlfriend and he had a girlfriend. We felt an immense attraction. We both were faithful to our girls, so we kept our relation platonic. It was (for many years, until he left the country) one of the finest relations I ever had. Even now, after all those years, it makes my heart feel warm. So when you really feel attracted to a person, be friends. When it leads to a sexual relation, it would be nice. But there is a lot more than sex in one’s life.
 

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My most clear experience in this type of contact was when I was leaving a building and he was going in. I looked at him and smiled and he smiled back at me. After I took another two or three steps and turned around and looked at him, he had turned around and was looking at me. Nothing happened that day but a day or two later I saw him again and it was obvious he was interested.

If this happens in a store you can stop after your pass and look at a product on the shelf and watch him out of the corner of your eye and see what he does. Does he look back at you or does he stop to examine a product on a shelf.
 

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There is no definitive way to know. You will need to go for it. (and you should!) Just walk up and say "Hi, my name is ..." I spent most of my college years (I just graduated) contemplating the same question. My senior year I decided to stop stopping myself from approaching people for fear that they may be straight. It was great. Most of the people I thought could be gay were in fact straight though it was hardly as awkward/embarrassing as I had thought it would be. Most of them were flattered if anything. You just have to move on. There is a good chance that eventually the guy you approach will be gay too! It worked for me.
 

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well... i don't think you can tell if a person is gay or not by the way they walk or talk...
haha. trust me... i know a lot of gay guys who "act" just like any regular straight dude.

just watch their eyes ;)
some are good actors so they hide their sexuality very well...
 

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Look at eyebrows, fingernails and shoes. Usually huge clues.
 
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SimplyJakeAndAlex

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You'll never know until you ask

If you meet me on the street, in the bus or at the beach you'll never be able to tell, I'm a classic dresser, I don't like Lady Gaga (she creeps me out), I don't turn around when I saw a beautiful dude so I can have a longer view on his ass, in fact you'd never be able to tell, so that "famous gaydar doesn't exist" LOL. When in public with my dude, you'd have a hard time to tell as well because we don't melt in each other's eyes, we don't share a milk share with two straws (I'm lactose intolerant anyway), we don't walk hand to hand and we don't kiss or hug in public. Neither of us have a gay look, Alex does look good and so do I but not the obvious gay attitude and gestures. And we call ourself honey and sweetie when we are with friends or in our house otherwise it's Jake and Alex. Yet we are a couple.

Same goes for some guy that seems to be so effeminate and yet they turn out to be exclusively heterosexual, hence why I said that no one can tell.

As a bisexual I have no issue to aboard gay subject with friends or other people, when I am with friends and they'd see someone and label him as gay, I normally replied that I am part gay and that I don't see why this dude look gay because you find him attractive. It's okay dude to tell another guy that he is attractive. As Tjerk said it so well, there's more to life than sex.

So there is what we call the non-verbal language or communication if you like and this is something that you might want to learn about. Nonverbal communication is behavior, other than spoken or written communication, that creates or represents meaning. In other words, it includes facial expressions, body movements, and gestures. Nonverbal communication is talking without speaking a word. It is very effective, maybe even more so than speech. Remember the saying, “Actions speak louder than words.”

There are two main types of nonverbal communication. Body language is the first. Body language is body movements that depend on a person’s attitude or feelings. Body language includes the way people walk, how they stand, and their facial features. In other words, any kind of meaning that is shown by a person's body attitude or movements. For example, when a boy is sad he may droop his head and walk slowly. Or, if a girl is happy, she might run and jump or stand up straight and put her hands in the air (and wave them like she just don't care - snoop dog :)) ). People don't have to say anything to show how they feel about things. The color of people's skin may even show how they feel. For example, if people with light colored skin get embarrassed, their skin may turn red, or if they are worried, they might get pale. Body language can be voluntary (on purpose) or involuntary (a person can’t help it). An interesting fact is that blind children will smile when happy even though they have never seen a smile.

There are three main uses of nonverbal communication. People often use all of them everyday. The first use is for greetings. Greetings include waves, handshakes, hugs and salutes. For example, when you see your friends in the morning on the way to work, you may wave to them. A more formal greeting would be shaking hands with your boss at work. The salute is used in the armed forces when you see a person of a higher rank than you.

The next use is for specific communication. For example, workers may use signals at their jobs. One important use is in construction when a worker signals to a crane operator to keep everyone safe. These signals are very specific and tell the operator to move left, right, or raise and lower the hook. Another very important use is sign language. This form of communication is used for people who have hearing problems. They use hand signals and lip reading to communicate very specific things.

The third use is involuntary nonverbal communication. These are movements and attitudes that show how people feel. Most times, people don't even know they're communicating when they make these actions, because these actions are automatic. For example, a slumped posture may mean that the person is sad. A stern look may show that the person is in a serious mood. When people rub their eyes, it can show they are tired. All of these examples show how people feel.


From my psychology books to you here's some types of nonverbal communication and body language

There are many different types of nonverbal communication. Together, the following nonverbal signals and cues communicate your interest and investment in others.

Facial expressions


The human face is extremely expressive, able to express countless emotions without saying a word. And unlike some forms of nonverbal communication, facial expressions are universal. The facial expressions for happiness, sadness, anger, surprise, fear, and disgust are the same across cultures.

Body movements and posture


Consider how your perceptions of people are affected by the way they sit, walk, stand up, or hold their head. The way you move and carry yourself communicates a wealth of information to the world. This type of nonverbal communication includes your posture, bearing, stance, and subtle movements.

Gestures


Gestures are woven into the fabric of our daily lives. We wave, point, beckon, and use our hands when we’re arguing or speaking animatedly—expressing ourselves with gestures often without thinking. However, the meaning of gestures can be very different across cultures and regions, so it’s important to be careful to avoid misinterpretation.

Eye contact


Since the visual sense is dominant for most people, eye contact is an especially important type of nonverbal communication. The way you look at someone can communicate many things, including interest, affection, hostility, or attraction. Eye contact is also important in maintaining the flow of conversation and for gauging the other person’s responseTouch

We communicate a great deal through touch. Think about the messages given by the following: a firm handshake, a timid tap on the shoulder, a warm bear hug, a reassuring pat on the back, a patronizing pat on the head, or a controlling grip on your arm.

Space


Have you ever felt uncomfortable during a conversation because the other person was standing too close and invading your space? We all have a need for physical space, although that need differs depending on the culture, the situation, and the closeness of the relationship. You can use physical space to communicate many different nonverbal messages, including signals of intimacy, aggression, dominance, or affection.

Voice


We communicate with our voices, even when we are not using words. Nonverbal speech sounds such as tone, pitch, volume, inflection, rhythm, and rate are important communication elements. When we speak, other people “read” our voices in addition to listening to our words. These nonverbal speech sounds provide subtle but powerful clues into our true feelings and what we really mean. Think about how tone of voice, for example, can indicate sarcasm, anger, affection, or confidence.

See after 5 years of being with my dude, he doesn't have to speak to me anymore, I know right away how he feels, what he's going to say or when he want sex even though his penis is not standing... I can read it all in his facial expressions, voice tone and body language. And he can practically do the same to me. Every one is communicating, even the dude in a wheelchair that cannot move his legs.
 
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hey Jake, I don't suppose you could expand on that a little for us?:p
 
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hey Jake, I don't suppose you could expand on that a little for us?:p
Sure could... by the way I'm writing from your country dude LOL. I'm in Sydney right now. I'll give some more specific definition of some nonverbal behavior.
 

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Do you not see the signs? every man I see has a sign above their head which reads Gay, Straight, Bi, Betty Bothways.

If it were that simple when the laws said homosexuality was illegal, how come loads of people were not arrested?
You can't tell - people say they can but only if there is an attraction between you both, otherwise no you can't
 
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hey Jake, I don't suppose you could expand on that a little for us?:p
To be honest with you the best way to discover other people's body language is to know your own. Here's some tips on evaluating your own. I'll compare those with mine and Alex, you can do the same exercise for yourself.

Eye contact
Is this source of connection missing, too intense, or just right in yourself or in the person you are looking at?

I rarely make eye contact with a stranger, unless I need to have something serious to tell the person. I have been told that when I make eye contact it really set the person in discomfort because they feel that I'm making a furtive intrusion in their mind.

Alex Also doesn't make much eye contact because of his beauty he sense that when someone look into his eye he only have the impression that the person want to fuck him.

However if Alex and I makes direct eye contact it normally turned into a frenzy sexual non verbal message. When the kids are home and Alex want to tell me that he need sexual release he'd just look at me in the eyes and I know what he wants. And he can read my response.

So yes eye contact are very sexually subjective, but they are also lie detector at the finest... someone lying to you look into his eyes, unless he has a nervous tick, you'll find that the retina is dilated and he/she bats his/her eyelids quite more than usual.

Facial expression
What is your face showing? Is it masklike and unexpressive, or emotionally present and filled with interest? What do you see as you look into the faces of others?

I have a very serious facial expression if I'm alone surrounded with strangers, to the extend that no one really want to speak to me, but as soon as someone ask me a question my facial leaves the serious stance for a more smiley one which means to the person talking to me that I'm ready to listen.

Alex is the smiling kind, so obviously when a stranger need to ask a question he'll go straight to Alex.

Tone of voice
Does your voice project warmth, confidence, and delight, or is it strained and blocked? What do you hear as you listen to other people?

My voice tone is based on confidence, I normally think at what I'll be saying, because English is not my first language I often have to translate what I need to say before voicing it out, I also in some circumstance have a voice a low and grave as Barry White.

Alex has the same voice tone than I do, he in fact sounds like me, but he can't do the baritone voice.

Posture and gesture
Does your body look still and immobile, or relaxed? Sensing the degree of tension in your shoulders and jaw answers this question. What do you observe about the degree of tension or relaxation in the body of the person you are speaking to?

Now that's something very special with me I am a former soldier and I am always standing straight, sit straight and walks like I own the street lol. When I wait for the bus per example, I'd be standing in the soldier resting position, hands crossed behind my back and my legs slightly separated I will fix my eyes on a subject and will barely move.

Alex is more relax and he laugh every time he saw me standing straight because the joke with him is that I am everything but straight lol.

Touch
Remember, what feels good is relative. How do you like to be touched? Who do you like to have touching you? Is the difference between what you like and what the other person likes obvious to you?

I hate being touched

Alex doesn't mind but not too long for him or he'll believe that you'll want to have sex with him.

Intensity
Do you or the person you are communicating with seem flat, cool, and disinterested, or over-the-top and melodramatic? Again, this has as much to do with what feels good to the other person as it does with what you personally prefer.

I am normally a cool communicator, I am a scientist but doesn't like using big words to explain so little.

Alex is a melodramatic communicator, when he tells a story he get such much into it, it's almost a show to look at him go.

Timing and pace
What happens when you or someone you care about makes an important statement? Does a response—not necessarily verbal—come too quickly or too slowly? Is there an easy flow of information back and forth?

I think before responding so it may seems that my answer will be slow.
Alex think faster then me I guess, he will respond right away if the subject interest him he'll be even worst than a Italian lol

Sounds
Do you use sounds to indicate that you are attending to the other person? Do you pick up on sounds from others that indicate their caring or concern for you?

If telling a story I will use onomatopoeia and sounds to punch up the discussion, so will Alex.

In my relationship with Alex sexual mostly sounds are very important because I've learned to differentiate different intonation of Alex moaning when he gets rammed. The dude will not say ouch if I happened to hurt him because he don't want me to stop, but I've learned to decipher his moaning.

To improve your understanding of nonverbal communication, you need to figure out what you’re doing right and where there is room for improvement. The most effective method is to observe yourself in action:

Videotape a conversation between you and a partner. Set the camera to record both of you at the same time, so you can observe the nonverbal back-and-forth. When you watch the recording, focus on any discrepancies between your verbal and nonverbal communication.Ask someone to take a series of photos of you while you’re talking to someone else. As you look through the photos, focus on you and the other person’s body language, facial expressions, and gestures.

Record a conversation between you and a friend or family member. As you listen to the recording afterwards, concentrate on the way things are said, rather than the words. Pay attention to tone, timing, pace, and other sounds.

As you watch or listen to the recordings, pay attention to the points I posted above. Once you'll know your own non verbal it will be quite easy to find out about others because the signs are universal. Therefore if you meet someone for the first time you can easily find out whether they are interested in you or not and that goes for everyone, no matter age or sex or sexual orientation.


Because I often speak publicly these were the exercises that I did to improve in order to have my message delivered the way I wanted it to be. Hope that this helped.
 
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The way they walk, talk, body language, if they can't help but smile when they see you, if they get very close to you or touch you, or choose to get drunk with only you.
 
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