Science centre hacked many files on Global Warming scam [BBC

[Integritas0]

Here it is:

http://anonym.to/?http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8370282.stm

Just broke...

Some scientists are already owning up. This could be huge. Global leaders will look like fools.

Here are the hacked files:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=003LKN94

CRU admits hacked files genuine:

http://anonym.to/?http://www.examin...1d20-CRU-director-admits-hacked-files-genuine

 

[XMan101]

Hmmm this could be very interesting!

 

[ritsuka]

Yeah, a server at some university was hacked, so let's turn the oil/coal fires up, and pretend the iceburgs aren't melting and the first island nations haven't already been evacuated. World leaders already are fossil fools for refusing to tackle proven man-made global warming in a serious, binding, and big way.

 

[XMan101]

I've long since thought there was a scam going on. Even if we were totally responsible the climate is so slow moving that effects we feel today were caused many many years ago, so what we do now is not going to influence anything probably for decades.

There is money in the "green" economy, and that's essentially what it all comes down to. Of course now that most have been brain washed into worshipping at the altar of global warming anything said against it is regarded as heresy!

 

[ritsuka]

I did read those articles you posted, Integrasio, and I didn't find anything impressive in them. I think the bottom line is that 130+ years of industrialization has consequences; burning what is effectively our ancestors and pumping that many tons of black smoke into the air while simultaneously destroying the earths ability to deal with it via deforestation and resource overconsumption has serious consequences and is plunging us into serious danger. I'm not worshiping scientists or science, and I'm not in favor of carbon markets. Corporations definitely need to be taxed, heavily--I think the oil companies should have a 90% tax that they can't pass on to customers to pay for the changes needed. The overall system has to start factoring in the REAL cost of things, and reassess.

People in rich northern countries can go on about the 'scam' while refusing to take responsibility for their lifestyles or how the immense pollution is causing serious damage to the lives of people who don't even have running water or electricity--people who contributed nothing to the pollution. There is a vast citizens movement, not driven by any corporate money, that is mobilizing across the planet to force the world leaders at Copenhagen to take radical solutions to climate change focused on social justice and leaving oil and coal in the ground. That is where I see this movement, not in the scientists out-of-context statements at a university or in the political establishment elite. I don't give a damn about feeling this or that way about myself, but yes, I'm doing everything I can to reach for a less polluted, more beautiful planet earth to live on, and I'm glad to be a part of the climate justice movement.

Xman, there is very little to no money in green energy, and the money that is there is not controllable by any one person because unlike oil, coal, and gas which are regional, you can harvest geothermal, solar, wind, or tidal energy anywhere in a decentralized manner. There are billions in coal, oil, and gas, which is why they can afford massive advertising campaigns to convince people global warming is a 'scam,' thus protecting their profits.

 

[XMan101]

you always make very intelligent discussion points, and I can't deny that what we do to make the planet cleaner is not beneficial and in the long run very necessary.

I would differ though in that there IS money to be made from all this and some are doing so. There was an Australian scientist interviewed the other day on the BBC who stated that there is evidence that what we are going through is quite a natural cycle, in 80% of the planet's history it was in a greenhouse type effect.

I keep an open mind, but I won't swallow either view whole. We all know there are cover-ups in all things and manipulations of truth.

 

[ritsuka]

Integraso, you are right about the nature of oil/gas/coal and how they profit and control populations, at the expense of the natural environment and the people who live nearby (who have their water, air, and bodies poisoned by the mining.) And they are allowed to do so, particularly in the US, because local politicians are flushed with money from the oil/coal corporations.

Ultimately, I think it is only governments that can make solar/wind/geothermal/tidal energy more affordable in a quick and efficient way, such as has happened in Germany; subsidies and laws have made it so that there are more alternative energy abound. I don't see any reason why these shouldn't be pursued by all governments, especially when the current system is relying on preferential treatment to very harmful, dangerous energy. I don't like cars--I think high speed rail, public transportation, and localism is a much better idea than millions of disposable electric cars.

I don't subscribe to scientific humanism. I don't believe humans are objective, or should be, and I always abhor when people with that particular ideology attempt to stifle creative and new conclusions by insisting that conventional, academic, corporate-funded research projects in biological sciences are the only ones that can contribute anything to the defining of humanity. I don't support that sort of 'science' spreading into the humanities and social sciences, either.

No, I haven't read all the hacked files, just the highlights I've seen posted online.

 

[XMan101]

I quite agree. There should always be debate, every view has an opposing one and should be listened to, however ridiculous it might seem to the person.