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The Biology of What It Means to be Gay

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slight difference between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men. The region he examined is a part of the hypothalamus, located on the floor of the brain, and it is barely the size of a kosher salt crystal, but the report has unleashed emotions as big, murky, contradictory and impassioned as those in any discussion of human sexuality are likely to be.

Many gay men said they welcome proof that might convince mainstream, straight society of what they themselves have always believed: that their sexuality is profoundly inscribed in their being, and is not a perversion brought on by willful disregard of social norms, a sordid upbringing or too much time spent playing with dolls.

Above all, they say, it is certainly not a condition they can be cured of or cajoled out of, any more than devout heterosexuals can be persuaded to change their erotic ways.

"The fact that the report talks about homosexual orientation as something innate is good, because that's what most of us experience," said Andrew J. Humm, a commissioner on the Human Rights Commission of New York City and a gay rights activist. "Homosexuality used to be seen as a character or a moral defect, so if you want to look at it as hypothalamic in nature, that's probably a step toward looking at it for what it is."

But others scorn as foolish and reductionist the notion that any one area of the brain may strongly influence sexual proclivity. "Are they next going to try to find the area of the brain that makes you like broccoli, or that makes some straight men like big-breasted women or redheads?" said Steve Cohen, a free-lance writer in Los Angeles who describes himself as bisexual. "What about the man who, every time he makes love to his wife, fantasizes about making love to another man? What is his hypothalamus doing about that?"

Others liken the new work to that of the eugenicists, who sought to use the banner of science as a way of promoting racist views. "This research on trying to identify some malformation of the brain as a cause of homosexuality has been going on for 100 years," said Dr. John P. DeCecco, a professor of psychology at San Francisco State University and the editor of the Journal of Homosexuality. "In Germany, in the 20's, it resulted in psychosurgery. The idea that you can describe a person by looking at the brain is a dreadful 19th-century invention." The new study, he said, is "nonsense."

The debate is complicated by the fact that the researcher who made the discovery, Dr. Simon LeVay of the Salk Institute of Biological Studies in La Jolla, Calif., is himself a homosexual, and thus cannot easily be dismissed as yet another crazed homophobe who wants to somehow explain away homosexuality. As a gay man with a particular take on life, he sought to see if a biological foundation for sexual preference could be identified.

After reading that another research team had found that a section of the hypothalamus, the third interstitial nucleus, is at least twice as large in men as it is in women, Dr. LeVay wondered if there might be a discrepancy between gay and straight people as well. Behind his speculation were suggestions from animal studies that the region could be partly responsible for some male sexual behavior. For example, male monkeys with lesions in the anterior hypothalamus refuse to pursue females, while retaining enough sexual energy to keep masturbating in their cages.

Examining autopsied brain samples from 19 gay men, 16 men presumed to have been heterosexual, and 6 heterosexual women, Dr. LeVay discovered the hypothalamic nucleus in the gay men was, on average, as tiny in size as it was in the women. Dr. LeVay would have liked to compare the dimensions of the region in lesbians as well, but he couldn't get the samples.

Dr. LeVay in no way claims to have discovered the -- or even a -- cause of male sexual preference, but merely suggests he has detected something worth further investigation. He does say, however, that some of his gay friends and colleagues were pleased with the discovery. "They would say half humorously that they were sorry to hear about having something smaller in their brain than what's found in heterosexual men," said Dr. LeVay, "but most have reacted quite positively to the idea."

Some optimists have even proposed that proof of an inborn difference between gay and heterosexual men could provide further ammunition in the battle against discrimination. If homosexuality were viewed legally as a biological phenomenon, rather than a fuzzier matter of "choice" or "preference," then gay people could no more rightfully be kept out of the military, a housing complex or a teaching job than could, say, blacks.

In a statement on Dr. LeVay's study, the Lambda Legal Defense Fund, a national gay rights advocacy group, questioned many of the methods and results of the experiment, but said "the findings are intriguing -- if, as some have suggested, there is a biological basis for homosexuality, it is difficult to fathom on what moral, ethical or religious basis one can reasonably discriminate" against homosexuals.

Yet even those who are intrigued by the research express qualms. "It certainly rings true to me that one's sexuality is something you feel so deeply," said David Barr, assistant director of policy for the Gay Men's Health Crisis in New York, an AIDS service organization. "But it doesn't really matter why people are gay or not gay. That's not the important question. What's really important is how they're treated. I haven't spent that much time thinking about where my sexuality comes from. I've spent a lot more time thinking about how I fit into this world I have to live in." A Worst-Case Scenario

Mr. Barr described the new biological approach as "opening up a can of worms with good sides and bad sides." "You can say, O.K., there are differences in the way people are, and you can't punish gays for being biologically different." But, he wondered, "are people going to ask, how can we detect those differences and what can we do about them?"

As a worst-case possibility, some people are even suggesting that the new discovery could lead to prenatal diagnosis, a test that would detect a budding homosexual in the womb early enough for the fetus to be either whisked out in an abortion, or somehow changed with the proper cocktail of hormones.

But some scientists said that even if the possibility exists, Dr. LeVay's finding is so preliminary and so uncertain that it will surely be many years before people will be forced to confront that particular dilemma.

Others have objected to the new research as an irrelevant distraction from the far more urgent problem of encouraging society to more willingly accept homosexuals into the fold.

"The issue is not what causes sexual orientation, but the reaction to it," said Frances Kunreuther, the executive director of the Hetrick-Martin Institute in New York, a social service and education agency for lesbian and gay youths. "And that reaction leads to suicides. It causes gay people to be beaten up, to be thrown out of their homes, to be in incredible isolation." She described one young man who came to the institute. "He told his mother when he was 12 that he was gay, and she sent him to a psychiatric hospital. They couldn't do anything for him, so she sent him to a foster home.

"If this work could be a magic bullet to make people accept lesbians and gays, I'd say terrific. But I don't believe that's going to happen. I don't believe that mother is going to read about how it's all in the brain and therefore think her son is O.K."
 

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^^ Interesting read.

"If this work could be a magic bullet to make people accept lesbians and gays, I'd say terrific. But I don't believe that's going to happen. I don't believe that mother is going to read about how it's all in the brain and therefore think her son is O.K."

Some people who don't accept gays, aren't that accepting about science either. I mean, creationism should be taught in school besides evolution?? Come on!!
And then there are those who believe dinosaurs and men walked the earth at the same time...
 

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Actually there is an equally or more likely explanation of this phenomenon in brain structure which isn't being picked up by the sensationalistic press; one which is vastly more dry and technical, and not nearly as sensationalistic.

Brain development is largely determined by behaviour and experiences IN LIFE rather than due to genetic predisposition; yes, some brain development conditions are hereditary, but when one looks at the post mortem structure of an adult one can hardly determine the validity of the finding as a congenital hereditary feature unless one has the entire blood-line of the cadaver at one's disposal to do comparisons.

The more scientifically responsible and reasonable explanation for this smaller development in that region of the brain is that the individual didn't do anything to cause it to be used: id est, they were gay, so they caused it to not develop by lack of activity requiring its development. The same is seen in persons who for religious reasons have lived a celebate life or due to a hormonal imbalance never developed any form of sex drive, but that doesn't make good news copy.

*shrug*

Life is more complex than people want it to be. Even gay people.

The disappointing truth is that heterosexuality is what keeps the race in existence (for good or ill) and nature in its wisdom has set us to be largely heterosexual until stress or over-population throw spanners in the works. We are all pretty much born blank slates, from there things happen to change us, looking for some under-lying causative biology is counter-intuitive, because if anything the real mystery is how did we manage to get to be gay when all the hereditary biological predisposition to be heterosexual should have made it a sure thing we aren't.

Finding a "magic bullet" is never going to happen, because sexuality is like taste, there is no right or wrong taste, only different taste. Trying to explain why I like orange juice to someone who loathes it is about a fruitless an effort as explaining sexuality in terms of biology. I can pretty much make myself do anything, but wanting to do that anything is another matter entirely.

I have had sex with women and probably will have sex with women again; the ones I find sexy or attractive are pretty rare, but it happens. I don't like people shoving me into a pigeon hole with pseudoscience, and that's what this "scholar" is doing. He made a discovery, that much is true, but where he went with his theory was both spurious and repugnant, and worst of all played right into the Christian fundamentalist's hands. The science here is bad, the theory smacks of 19th century race theory and Eugenics, and the end result -- if allowed to be taken to its usual end -- is crematoria and death camps.

People -- in general -- need to stop looking for the why and just start accepting that things aren't always the way they're supposed to be. My parents don't like that " am gay, but they got over it; they'll never stop hoping that I'll just "find the right woman", and who knows, it could happen. I accept that it could happen. I am not going to paint myself in a corner with a label to suit anyone, and neither should anyone else.

I would be more interested to know why this scientist did this research... I can guess well enough ... he's not happy he's gay....
 
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Hell talk about a resurrection lol :p

Must be the oldest thread dug up so far.

Damn grave robbers :p
 
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Thor

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ya, and talk about long cool conversation..sheesh, I miss bobby and mons...lol
 
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XMan101

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Far too late for me to take that in - I think you're a good substitute for the two above :p
 
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iFairylicious

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I saw on Tyra different physical traits that can make up 100% gay men and a lot of that ODDLY was true lol.....and yes EXTREME bumping can be annoying on here LOL
 

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Yes - save the extreme bumbing to the bedroom, sofa, kitchen tables etc. Not fossil threads.
 
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