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The Millennials Are Ruining This Country. What Can We Do?

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I found this to be an interesting read:

Ask Stacy: The Millennials Are Ruining This Country. What Can We Do?
Money Talks News| By Stacy Johnson |Sept 30 2014 11:29 am EDT

We’ve got a lot to worry about. Terrorism. A gridlocked government. Global warming. Ebola.

Oh, and then there’s young people.

Here’s this week’s reader question, which is really more of a request:

I think someone needs to explore the subject of the workforce crisis posed by the millennial generation. These kids are so unmotivated, undisciplined, illiterate and distracted, it poses a danger to the financial security of this country and workforce security as more of these kids move into adult jobs. Some parents have trained these kids to mistreat their elders and bad-mouth their co-workers/customers. It is almost like working with an alcoholic, they are so distracted from their work due to their problems. These kids, even nearing their 30s, are still supported by parents and absolutely act like they have nothing to lose as their parents are enablers, supporting their every firing, unplanned pregnancy, overspending emergency and drunken driving arrest without question. — C

Who are the millennials, and why are they so bad?

First, let’s define who we’re talking about. While there’s no precise definition, millennials are widely considered to be those now ranging in age from 18 to 33.

C begins his comment by saying, “I think someone needs to explore the subject of the workforce crisis posed by the millennial generation.” Well, C, here’s some good news. It’s been done. A lot. As one example, here’s a snippet from a 2007 article from CBS News.

They were raised by doting parents who told them they are special, played in little leagues with no winners or losers, or all winners. They are laden with trophies just for participating and they think your business-as-usual ethic is for the birds.

Here’s another, from a 2012 article in The Washington Post:

"These are the kids, after all, who text their dads from meetings. They think “business casual” includes skinny jeans. And they expect the company president to listen to their “brilliant idea.” When will they adapt?

While comments like these make great fodder for TV and cocktail conversation, start by considering the source: old people.

I suspect those doing most of the complaining are from my generation, the baby boomers. If so, it’s particularly amusing, considering that when we were young, many of us were growing our hair, smoking dope, starting communes, rioting, streaking, engaging in sport sex, and marching on Washington for reasons ranging from war to women’s rights.

If memory serves, my parent’s generation didn’t think any of this was a great idea. They were as convinced as C seems now that we were all the same and as a group would amount to nothing, except perhaps a drain on society."

And this is the way I suspect it’s always been. My parent’s parents probably thought.

The point is, before we start complaining, let’s remember that older generations have always freaked out about the next few. And yet, here we are.

They really are different

People differ. Differences often translate into mistrust, which all too often morphs into disapproval. This is human nature and has always been true, whether it’s woman vs. man, black vs. white, Muslim vs. Christian or boomer vs. millennial.

And millennials are different. A few months ago, Pew Research published an article comparing the attitudes of today’s young adults with those of boomers. Some interesting findings:

*A third of millennials between the ages 26 to 33 have at least a four-year degree. That’s the most educated this age group has been in the history of the United States.

*Only 26 percent of millennials are married . At the same age, nearly half the boomers were.

*55 percent have posted a “selfie” on a social media site . That’s about the same percentage of boomers who know what the term means.

*Just 19 percent of millennials agree with the statement, “Most people can be trusted.” Forty percent of boomers do.

My personal experience with a millennial

We’re a small company, employing only a handful of people, including one millennial. Is he different from me? You bet. For example, when he first began working here at the ripe age of 21, despite my constant badgering, he seemed incapable of starting work any earlier than noon. Granted, he often programmed until 5 a.m. But I kept insisting he go to bed earlier and work traditional hours. I can’t remember how many times I threatened to fire him.

When we disagreed, he spoke to me in tones that would never have entered my mind when I was in his position, apparently blissfully unaware that I was both his elder and his boss.

That was about 10 years ago. Today, only I have worked here longer and make more money than him.

There are three simple reasons our relationship worked out, despite our different perspectives. The first is compromise. For example, we agreed that he could keep his own hours, but should I need him at 8 a.m., I could always call and wake him up, no questions asked. As far as communication, as with most people who either like each other, need each other, or both, we worked at it.

While we still occasionally disagree, we get along. Very well, in fact.

The second reason is why I was willing to compromise. It’s this: The more valuable you are, the more flexible I am. My millennial is super talented. I couldn’t run this site without him, so I looked for a way to make it work.

Every generation has nincompoops who can’t get it right. Every generation also has people who are talented, dedicated and ambitious.

The third reason: Despite the fact that older generations are hopefully wiser, younger generations aren’t always wrong. My generation was right to question the status quo, and so is today’s. Just because I work 8 to 5 in an office doesn’t mean you can’t work from dusk till dawn at home. Or have tattoos, long hair or no hair. Just get the freaking job done.

So fret as much as you like, fellow older folks, but I’ll reserve my worry for more pressing matters. In the end, all generations will find a way.

After all, other than starvation, isn’t that our only option?
 

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I think it is more likely an issue of maturity and experience. Many young people lack both of these things - although as you mentioned - this is nothing new. Young people from every generation from the beginning of time had this problem. As I recall, when I was young it was generation x that was going to lead to the downfall of the human race. I would not worry too much - every generation faces unique challenges and seem to be able to evolve and learn - that simply is life.
 

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This is a veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery old story, that got started around 750 B.C. (or probably earlier): In Homers first epic The Iliad there's this guy Nestor, who is...well, the nestor in the army of the achaian. He's a graybeard that loves nothing so much as the sound of his own voice and to tell stories as long and longwinding as possible, but his point is always this - everything was so much better in earlier day, and in particular : the warriors and heroes of my generation and my fathers generation was so, so ,so much better than those young boy's we got now...Spoiled brats like Achilles and Ajax and whatnot...

Youngsters in this day and age has been judged more or less worthless the last 3000 years of western history...
 

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I only said I found this an interesting read. I did not say Millenials are going to bring about the end of civilization. They have the future ahead of them.

It is older folks like myself who will bring about the end of civilization. Global warming due to human activities since the beginning of the industrial revolution or even further back to the end of the hunter gatherer and start of farming and domesticated livestock for food is one way the elders might do it. THe biggest cause of global warming isn't fossil fuel - it's methane from livestock like cows which we breed and grow in larger numbers every day - methane is the biggest cause of ozone depletion. At least that is what I think I've understood from the scientists and experts who have studied and publicly spoken about it. I may be wrong. I'm old so I accept that I'm wrong sometimes. When I was younger it was harder for me to believe I was wrong, hehe.

Another way is ever advancing military technologies. The threat of nuclear war is almost cliche considering other technologies like H.A.A.R.P. and space based energy weapons. Not to mention chemical and biological weapons. Sure there have been treaties signed and stockpiles destroyed but I feel certain all those were obsolete and no longer cost effective to maintain with the next generation chem/bio weapons coming online. Don't kid yourself into thinking they're not.

Older generations always bemoan the weaknesses of the younger generations. My father did it and his father before him.

I just said it was an interesting read... :)
 
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Completely agree with gorgik9. There has always been this battle of the generations - the way of doing things, the attitude and the way of thinking and this battle rages since with innovation in every sphere - the actions and thoughts of every generation changes obsoleting that of the previous generation. Its how any society evolves.

Humans are social animals - they always learn from their elders - so if you attribute any shortcoming to nay generation, it can always be traced to the actions of the previous generations.

Since this question is raised in this particular forum, then let me add one comment here -we know that tolerance towards homosexuality has grown over the years and I think it is always attributable to the upcoming new generations who question and modify the old ways - and for each homophobe you can always trace back to an initiator belonging to the previous generation (say in the form of an orthodox priest or father).
 

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I only said I found this an interesting read. I did not say Millenials are going to bring about the end of civilization. They have the future ahead of them.

It is older folks like myself who will bring about the end of civilization. Global warming due to human activities since the beginning of the industrial revolution or even further back to the end of the hunter gatherer and start of farming and domesticated livestock for food is one way the elders might do it. THe biggest cause of global warming isn't fossil fuel - it's methane from livestock like cows which we breed and grow in larger numbers every day - methane is the biggest cause of ozone depletion. At least that is what I think I've understood from the scientists and experts who have studied and publicly spoken about it. I may be wrong. I'm old so I accept that I'm wrong sometimes. When I was younger it was harder for me to believe I was wrong, hehe.

Another way is ever advancing military technologies. The threat of nuclear war is almost cliche considering other technologies like H.A.A.R.P. and space based energy weapons. Not to mention chemical and biological weapons. Sure there have been treaties signed and stockpiles destroyed but I feel certain all those were obsolete and no longer cost effective to maintain with the next generation chem/bio weapons coming online. Don't kid yourself into thinking they're not.

Older generations always bemoan the weaknesses of the younger generations. My father did it and his father before him.

I just said it was an interesting read... :)

And I didn't say that you said that the Millenials would bring about the end of civilization...

My point was no more, no less than while we read journalistic stories which in it's content refers to the very latest - the latest generation, the latest computer, the latest threat to the free world, the latest influenza etc etc - but at the same time uses narrative forms that are literally as old as the iron age (at least). This schizophrenic relation between form and content is fashinating to me...
 

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Well the title of that article sort of pointed to that conclusion but ultimately the author stated the opposite at the end.

As you said, gorgik, this story is as 'old as the hills' to use a common colloquial phrase here.

But it is a good conversation starter and I enjoy reading everyone's posts especially yours :)
 

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Well the title of that article sort of pointed to that conclusion but ultimately the author stated the opposite at the end.

As you said, gorgik, this story is as 'old as the hills' to use a common colloquial phrase here.

But it is a good conversation starter and I enjoy reading everyone's posts especially yours :)

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The youth of today, they make me despair. They are pathetic.
Never has a generation been so well educated and never has a generation so docilely accepted that they spent four years learning molecular biology so that they could deliver pizza for less than minimum wage. The tablet computer carriers know better than anyone how the multinationals have stolen democracy, still they join the queue to buy their products. They understand the process perfectly by which property owners have pulled the ladder out from underneath them so that only if you have rich and cooperative parents do you stand a cat in hells chance of buying the sort of home that their folks bought without difficulty. They know they are bombarded with lies about climate change told by old men who will be dead by the time the floods and famines arrive.
And still they smile as they use their doctorate to pour your cup of coffee. Why are there so few riots? I don't actualy want violent demonstations because it's always the innocent who get hurt but can't the exploited do anything to stand up for themseves?
 

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*sigh*

Every generation thinks the next generation are destroying everything. So far, every generation has been wrong.

The media like to highlight THE WORST of the young generation, utterly ignoring the good ordinary kids that are way more common. It's a typical selection effect.

Also - even if we assume the millenials really are spoilt, who's fault is that? Oh wait - THEIR PARENTS - the people writing all the whinning articles decrying how bad these kids are today.

oh - and because it really is all I can hear when ever someone tries to tell me the kids are all broken

GET OFF MY LAWN!
 

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Glad to see so many commenters here recognize that this is an old, revolving subject that is often jazzed up to sell papers, keep management consultants in business, and give people something to talk about. Don't get me wrong, generational differences are worth discussing, but articles like this one (and I've read quite a few others) really need to offer better context.

As has been pointed out, every new generation is arrogant, immature, lazy, and just plain doesn't get it. Yet, somehow we've managed to get by... perhaps the folks that raised these new generations weren't so terrible after all.

The other piece of context that is sorely lacking from articles like this one is how oftentimes generational differences are eclipsed by individual differences. Sure, some millennials, and maybe more so than other generations, like to work flexible hours. I've seen cases where this gets translated into "we need to offer flexible work hours for all millennials." Um no. Some millennials want regular work hours just as some non-millennials would also like flexible hours.

Point is that these type of articles really need to do a better job in presenting their generalizations.

(Thanks for sharing the article. My critique is directed at the article content itself, not the fact that it was shared)
 

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I must make it clear that millennials are not pathetic and do not cause me despair. That was meant as a parody of the original article, though it failed to hit the target.
Online magazines have small budgets, original journalism costs money, so a lot of these stories are cut and paste from other stories which themselves were plagarised, so the same old stuff goes round and round. As James said "My critique is directed at the article content itself, not the fact that it was shared"
Gorgik reminds us that stale opinions were being recycled way back in history, long before there were online magazines, long before paper and printing.
It's lazy writing that's rubbish, millennials aren't rubbish, they're awesome. You are awesome, we are awesome, everyone is awesome.
 

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Puuuuhhh Dargelos, I'm very happy to read your post. I really thought as a millenial (I'm 27 as you know) I would be precluded here as an destroyer of the future.

I know young people and I know old people which I won't trust as far as one can spit. But I know as well many old and young people who are really good ones!

A very little story: my dad always is telling the story when he was young and liked the music and the songs of Elvis, my grand dad thought the world will perish because of this "horrible music of apes". Well the world survived!
 
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I thank james1981 for putting up
but articles like this one (and I've read quite a few others) really need to offer better context.

It is completely true that in many debates and discussions, some particular instances (which tend to shake our sense of normality/constancy) are often cited to draw some very generalized conclusions often lacking any statistical validity and this is something which we often overlook. This I think is a very human instinct and the media often uses this to sell their "BREAKING NEWS".

I also see some truth in Dargelos's parody:
The youth of today, they make me despair. They are pathetic.
Never has a generation been so well educated and never has a generation so docilely accepted that they spent four years learning molecular biology so that they could deliver pizza for less than minimum wage. The tablet computer carriers know better than anyone how the multinationals have stolen democracy, still they join the queue to buy their products. They understand the process perfectly by which property owners have pulled the ladder out from underneath them so that only if you have rich and cooperative parents do you stand a cat in hells chance of buying the sort of home that their folks bought without difficulty. They know they are bombarded with lies about climate change told by old men who will be dead by the time the floods and famines arrive.
And still they smile as they use their doctorate to pour your cup of coffee. Why are there so few riots? I don't actualy want violent demonstations because it's always the innocent who get hurt but can't the exploited do anything to stand up for themseves?

But I would like to comment that if you put a pressure cooker over a stove, it takes some time between two successive whistles "for the pressure to build up".
 

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I am glad that frontlemon introduced the pressure cooker analogy.
You know what happens if you tamper with the safety valve on a pressure cooker, it gets hotter and hotter and hotter then suddenly BOOM! your kitchen is destroyed in an explosion of steam and food.
So if you use tear gas and water cannon to tamper with youth's safety valve, BOOM! and this time more than just your kitchen explodes.
 
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