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Toying with homosexuality; when the game is over...

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After checking out the clips and thoughts of the "Tyra Banks Show" topic on "gay for pay" actors, I decided to post this here. It felt like the right moment and time to do so...

Out of all of the blogs I've ever done, this one might be the most personal one to ever come to pass. But in truth comes the oddity: it all stems from this morning's airing of "The Jerry Springer Show".

Yes. Jerry Springer; Mr. Class-less, has had a topic on his show that actually caused such annoyance in me, I had to blog about it.

Let that simmer for a moment... all right. Let's do this.

On today's show, there was a man named Jimbo (I couldn't make that up). Jimbo was engaged to a woman named Miranda. They were together for nine years, had a seven-year-old son and we're finally ready to tie the knot. Except... Jimbo had a secret.

Of course he did.

Jimbo's news: while Miranda was incarcerated a year ago (of course she was), Jimbo got closer to a friend he had for years. One night, the friend and Jimbo had a couple of beers. One thing led to another... you know how the story goes on "Jerry".

Of course, we hear this kind of thing everyday. So, there had to be a twist.

Jimbo's friend... was another man.

Now, after watching a show on and off for almost 18 years (by Jerry's own admission), we've all heard the stories of how "real" the guests actually are. Some say they are actors and actresses; others claim that they are somewhat real, just pushed to a point to have that anger brought to a simmering level before it boils over on the stage. I really am not sure which is true (although the realist in me tends to go with the first notion). But, the story goes on...

Jerry asks Jimbo straight out, "Are you gay?" Jimbo vehemently denies this (insert "buzzer" sound effect here) and says that it was just an "experiment". Jerry asks if this was the only time it ever happened.

Jimbo says "no".

In fact, Jimbo; while still sleeping with his fiance, has thought about his friend... often. If you actually paid attention, you could tell that Jimbo was confused as all hell over this. It was almost as if he was forcing himself to believe that it was just a fling; nothing relevant to stray him from the "promising life" that he had with Miranda.

Cue Miranda's entry in a wedding gown (Jimbo had a tuxedo on). The secret comes out; she's upset. Cue Jimbo's friend (who we will call "Eric"; considering I don't remember his name)... in a wedding gown all his own.

I know... the absurdity of it all.

Anyway, Miranda is crying; Eric is raving and trying to fight Miranda and Jimbo is telling Eric to keep quiet; that it meant nothing and is begging Miranda to marry him. Cue Reverend Schnorr (a frequent guest on "Springer"; a bumbling alcoholic who spouts out random (and usually inaccurate) quotes from the Bible) and Miranda and Jimbo end up man and wife... while Eric is all alone in his gown without a man to love.

OK... throw the crazy parts of that out. The reason why I actually felt the need to blog has to do with the main character of this story: the "straight" man who is so confused and yet, brings in the unwilling gay man who falls for him and in the end; gets burned and tossed aside while the "straight" man maintains the heterosexual glory and the gay man is seen as the monster who tried to sully his "true" nature.

I'm probably going to be severely hated for what I'm about to do here... like I care, but I'm going to hopefully help all gay men; young and old, who come across this situation. We've all been there and if you haven't, trust me when I say you will. We're all blind to it, but it always seems to happen. It's probably even happened to a couple of lesbians here and there, so if this helps them as well; then, that's great.

The main thing here that bothers me is the word, "experiment". It's used so much in situations like this. "I was just experimenting." "Oh, I just wanted to see how it was."

Let me break it down for you. When scientists experiment on things; something usually changes. Whether is a bit more or less of a particular element, drug, etc.; the variable is always different. I'll even go as far as to give you five set definitions for the word, "experiment":

- the act of conducting a controlled test or investigation

- to conduct a test or investigation; "We are experimenting with the new drug in order to fight this disease"

- the testing of an idea; "it was an experiment in living"; "not all experimentation is done in laboratories"

- try something new, as in order to gain experience; "Students experiment sexually"; "The composer experimented with a new style"

- a venture at something new or different; "as an experiment he decided to grow a beard"

Now, for the sake of NOT bringing forth an argument; let's say that there is a young man who truly isn't sure of their sexuality. It happens. So, they decide to open up a bit and "experiment" with their one-sided nature and try something new. And to make it short, let's say this man goes all out (I won't go into details, you can figure what "all out" means) on this quest of his sexuality.

Here's where my thoughts become a bit controversial. After that one "experiment", that should be it. Why? Because, if you repeat the same actions; nothing has changed. Going back to what I previously stated; even in scientific experiments, a variant always changes. In the case of sexuality, it doesn't. Even if you try things with another man, it does not change because...

That's right. It is still a man. You have already experienced this. You have already tested this theory. Any more repeats of this action is solely based on your enjoyment of this practice. Taking it to that scientific level, the experiment was a success and you have proven to yourself that this "theory" of your sexuality is now a proven fact.

Now, I do understand that it can be very difficult to come to terms with this realization. This is one of the biggest things to handle in this life. Even as proud as I consider myself of being an open gay man, I also had that nagging fear and questioning thoughts in my brain. I even called myself "bisexual" at one point in my life to give others (and in truth, myself) that level of normal that we all crave.

But it wasn't normal. I knew I wasn't truly attacted to females. Yes, I think women are a beautiful species. I came from a woman. I consider myself a "feminist" (not "feminine"). I support their rights and strengths in this life. But, I am not sexually or even romantically attracted to them (although the old episode of "Boy Meets World" where Shawn (Rider Strong) dresses up as a girl still gives me a tingly feeling... I've equated that underneath the skirt was still Rider Strong and he was sexy in just about anything). I am comfortable in my sexuality. I am sure that this is who I was meant to be and that one day, I will live the life I was meant to live... with another man by my side.

I have nothing against experimenting with your sexuality; it helped me to get to where I am now as a gay man (as it has with other gays and lesbians). But, when that experiment had passed after my first male sexual companion, I knew I could no longer consider myself "straight". I had kissed girls. I had kissed boys (or at that point, "a boy").... and I liked it.

If you're having problems with your sexuality, it's a normal part of life and a question we all ask ourselves. Feel free to experiment. But take this into mind: once is an experiment. Twice is pushing it. More than that and you need to open your mind to the fact that things may be a bit "brighter" in your world. Leave those boys and girls that are sure of what they are alone until you figure out where you're going with this. You'll nip a lot of future pain in the bud... and we won't be the angry ones at the altar knowing you're more than likely heading into a sham of a marriage.

Being gay is OK. Being straight is OK. Being bisexual is... well, as long as it's real and not a "Tila Tequila" thing; I root for you as well.

I think the best way to end this is a quote from a movie starring Antonio Banderas and Woody Harrelson entitled, "Play It to the Bone". In it, Antonio's character says something to the effect of, "I thought I might be gay. I tried it once. I didn't like it." Seems silly and it garnered a lot of laughs, but in truth; it's a very good way to think about it.

You try something; you don't like it, you know not to do it again. You try it more than once...

That's all I'm saying. Do us a favor and figure it out on your own before someone gets hurt. You might come across the catty gay dude or butchy lesbian who might "out" you... and you don't want that.

Keep it in your pants until you fully understand.

-Jonny Fantastico
 
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but jonny, can we really understand? is it possible as a thinking person to ever really understand? not only ourself but anyone?:):p

ill keep trying anyway....LOL

PS: can you be a bit more specific next time, i mean come on jonny, tell us what you really feel...hahaha LOL
 

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LOL @ Stanyy... I guess when it all comes down to it, we all do understand what we like and dislike. I just wish there were more people in the world who were just more honest about what they felt and enjoyed rather than doing something secretly and in turn, breaking someone's heart in the process.

Maybe I speak from too much life experience... which is weird, considering I'm only 27. Talk about having an "old soul".
 

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most people i have met are far more interested in themselves than anyone else, and they want to tell anyone that will listen there story.. I'm a bit lucky i think, i find everyone else more interesting than me, so i listen:) lol

I know ME after all, or at least i think i do..hahaha
 

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oh, and yes jonny i think you do have an old soul, and thats why i like you babe:)
 

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I dont entirely agree with you... I believe that totally gay and totally straight are just two ends of a continuous spectrum, and most people fall in between. True, some men prefer men more than they do women, but what is the need to get tied down by labels? Once i label myself gay, it cuts me off from a possibly meaningful and beautiful relationship with a woman, and vice versa too, so i could be missing out on a great guy if i proclaim myself straight.
Sometimes, it takes a lot of trying to find the right person, be they male or female.
There is actually a pretty good video on youtube by a guy called daveywavey (really cute, btw :D). Check it out... I thought it was quite meaningful
 

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I understand where you're coming from, but it's not entirely what I'm saying here... yes, I realize that everyone falls somewhere on a bit of a scale when it comes to the nature of sexuality. But, it's when you're not being honest with yourself that pain and hurt can come into play.

If you like "switch hitting" at times, then I'm all for it and I judge no one (even though I'm more than sure I will never find myself with a woman). However, when you're completely closeted not only in your actions, but your thoughts and speech at well, it could become a problem for everyone involved.

I guess I just wish we all lived in a world where people were a lot more honest about what they can truly enjoy. It's not about labeling yourself one thing or the other... it's about being true to who you are and being the best person you can possibly be because of it. :)

And I will definitely check out this YouTube video in the near future to see what you're referring to.
 
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I dont entirely agree with you... I believe that totally gay and totally straight are just two ends of a continuous spectrum, and most people fall in between. True, some men prefer men more than they do women, but what is the need to get tied down by labels? Once i label myself gay, it cuts me off from a possibly meaningful and beautiful relationship with a woman, and vice versa too, so i could be missing out on a great guy if i proclaim myself straight.
Sometimes, it takes a lot of trying to find the right person, be they male or female.
There is actually a pretty good video on youtube by a guy called daveywavey (really cute, btw :D). Check it out... I thought it was quite meaningful

I love daveywavey...we chat often.

I agree with you completely. I'm not str8, gay, or bi...I'm sexual period, though if pressed I will say bi, cause I am open to any kind of relationship.

I strongly support people pursuing who they are and they should be able to do that without experiencing any discrimination of their civil rights......as long as those rights don't infringe onto the rights of others.

This is where I have some problems with some gays who want to be very militant in the pursuit of gay rights.
As an actvist politician trying to make a difference to get those rights...trust me it isn' t the way it's going to happen.

The key about getting rights...is the constitutional angle..."the pursuit of happiness"... and that ties back to one being able to really live and be who they are....so for me...that's having a multiple sexual orientation..that's who I am..not because I don't want to be gay or not because I don't want to be str8....I want to be me!
 
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Again, as in the other similar thread on here, I agree with Intensepump - we obviously think alike in this matter, maybe it's because we both know ourselves very well and are happy with who we are.

Being unfaithful, which in a way this is all about in the end, can happen with another guy or another woman, regardless which sex you're dating. So called "bi" can frighten some people as they think you might be wanting to wander off to the other sex than the person you're with. Is that any different than going off with another woman, if you're with a woman (& maybe "straight") or another man if you're dating a man.

If you're with someone I believe in honesty & faithfulness to that person, otherwise you're obviously not happy with the relationship.
 
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I think we are often pushed into making "black and white" decisions for convenience sake. The truth is that there are alot of shades and hues staring us in the face. When we are forced to define ourselves within a scientific model for the sake of simplicity, we still have to deal with the limited perspectives of those with whom we communicate. I was amazed by the diverse attitudes and conceptions of gender identity, gender roles, sexual preferences, sexual roles and sexual orientation. Every scientific model should be understood as an easy way to grasp something far more complex. For example: a constellation chart doesn't reflect a star's distance or speed - only the way the stars relate to each other from where we observe them on earth. The point is, trying to "define" ourselves only limits us. It is far more responsible to ourselves to treat others with respect and to expect respect in return.
 

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I was leaving a gay bar one night (closing time, so it was crowded outside) and as I was walking to my car I saw this tiny girl slap this really big (6'5"-280lbs) guy while screaming about staying away from her husband, then this guy slams her into the ground (breaking at least one rib) being half drunk I tore into the guy and a couple of his friends went after me, then a couple more jumped in on my side and it ended up as a 30 man brawl in the parking lot. Fast foward two weeks and while channel surfing I came accross Jerry Springer and guess who the guest were... Yup, it was the tiny girl being told by her husband that the big guy thats been sleeping on thier couch for the last six months was also his gay lover...Go figure

I also worked with a woman who was a guest Springer, her story...
She came home from work early one day and found her husband wearing her dress and heels, her husband was a DJ in a gay bar but she thought he was str8...

What did I learn from this...

These people are for real, and while thier story's are real, they are encouraged and provoked to to act out on stage. And thier all fuckn' idiots.
 

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Oh definately! Anyone with the least bit of self respect would never submit themselves to such public embarassment...
I guess its feeding the 5 minutes of fame culture. But then again, Oprah (who I adore btw) is just a glitzier more glamorous version, isnt it?
But I (we) digress from the main topic. And it seems that most people seem to agree that sexuality seems to be a bit like the tide, and can vary at any point of time... So that begs the question, can a person "become" gay, or even straight for that matter?
 

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To me orientation is defined more by emotion than sex, if a man is romanticly attracted to women only he's straight, but that dosen't mean he can't physically enjoy sex with another man, sex is sex. A man can enjoy sex with a woman but if he's only interested in a relationship with another man he's gay. And if you'd be just as happy living in the burb's with the wife as you would be running a B&B in Vermont with Steve, then your Bi.
 

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Someone had posted a thread similar to this most recently. I have gotten involved with a "straight" guy by accident whom after having sex with him several times, he told me he loved me..eventually, I told him the same..we had been seeing each other every day and was having sex everytime we got together..then suddenly, he pulled away from me and left town to start a new life..before he left, he did tell me prior to his leaving that he was having difficulty dealing with his feelings for me..I agree with your post, if you do it once, I can accept that as being experimental..however, more than one..UH-OH!!!..what was really bad about this was..yes, I told him up front that I was gay and that brought us closer..I never came on to him because I can give someone respect as a straight man without coming on to him...he kept coming on to me after awhile because he didn't understand why I didn't pursue him..?????...the sex was initiated by him..yeah..he took it to the stage..I just grabbed the mike and sung the whole song..lol..your post hit a lot of significant areas...I applaud you on your opinions of this touchy subject matter.
 
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Crazy thought
I fully agree with what your saying Jonny (btw 27? **pants down hair** care for a drink? lol)
I do think and hope that in time this whole "experiment" thing becomes a thing of the past. Its said in reguard that theres something wrong or taboo about it. So a teen looses his virginity to a girl but then sleeps with a guy few months later, its no big deal, its at the end of the day its sex and him discovering hes a sexual creature :) Christ hes so full of hormones he'll hump the bed! lol
If i ever slept with a woman does that mean that experience would have been an experiment? lol I doubt many would call it that lol

But something occured to be in this argument and reading some of the comments. That a guy shouldnt sleep with another guy while he's seeing a woman cause most times he'll end up with her and not him, thus causing him pain.
OK vaild point and i do detect past stories with many here, hell ive been there myself.
But theres a point here also, what if he was sleeping with 2 woman and he chooses one over the other, the one left out will be hurt too...
Of if he was sleeping with 2 guys and chooses one..
Its not as if its unique to guys who "experiment" also.

Maybe a better arguement would be stop sleeping with 2 people, no matter their sex, at the same time. But would all guys follow this rule?

End of the day we are all going to get hurt, perhaps we ourselves hurt others. The experiment thing is stupid i admit, sleep with girls fine, sleep with guys fine, sleep all over the place good for u lol
Eventually ur heart will decide on one, be it man or woman, just listen to it when it happens :)
 

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I totally understand with what you're saying, Irish (and sure, I'd love to have that drink with you! LOL); but I think you're misunderstanding what I said. I see that you've continued to spin off on the "Jerry Springer" point of a guy dating/screwing more than one person at once... of course, that's wrong because no matter the sex of the people involved; someone will get hurt. But I've been in that place of me dating just one guy and he just dating me... or in truth, just screwing me. I catch feelings for the guy; the guy gives off that he cares for me... and then suddenly, I turn around and he stops dealing with me and I see him with a chick.

THAT part sucks... which I guess sort of ties into what you're saying, but there's a little more behind it and sadly, seems to be the way it goes when these guys f*ck around with someone like me. I guess it just hurts when the hope that you might have something long-lasting with this guy is actually just nothing more than a hole to stick it to.

Some people should simply just resorting to jacking off; it would lead to a lot less broken hearts and confusing feelings.
 
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Jonny ull always be more than a hole to me :D
And i will always offer that drink ;)

I totally understand where ur coming from, ur venting more against being dumped than him flying off to a girl.
Its always painful putting in ur heart into something and have it torn up, and im sorry but theres nothing that can prevent that. I learned it long time ago :)
Somewhere down the line though it does pay off though, has to or else we all will go insane lol
Somewhere u will find that heart to beat in sync with your own :D
Gawd how old do i sound and im only 31 (hint hint jonny for that drink lol)
 

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31 isn't too bad at all, Irish! ;) I think I'm venting from all points though, because I've been through it all. The guy who is just there to get off; the guy who feigns feelings when he's unsure of himself... it all sucks regardless.

I'm not that jaded; I know that eventually I will find someone perfect who is sure of himself and will love and care for me for all the right reasons... it's the journey to get there that can hurt the most. This original "blog" was a bit on the harsh side, but it did come from a place of good: I guess just giving some insight to some young guy coming into his own sexuality... I would never wish that pain on anyone because I've been there countless times and it hurts worse each and every time after that.

I just want these boys to stay strong because like you said, in the end; they will find someone special and see that even though our path to happiness is a long and harrowing one, there is something sweet and beautiful at the end of it. :heart:

As for that drink; you name the time and place. :)
 
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Im sooooooooooo sorry Jonny but all i could think of when u said
I just want these boys to stay strong because like you said, in the end; they will find someone special and see that even though our path to happiness is a long and harrowing one, there is something sweet and beautiful at the end of it
is yes boys at the end of it is a nice juicy cock
im soooooooooooo sorry lol
my mind sometimes i tell u, evil it is lol

do u get the impression everyone else is quiet here as they suspect theres an underline tone of us flirting/chattin each other up with the talk of the drink?? lol

As for the time and place, christ im a gay irish guy, its any pub any time lol lol
 

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LMAO OK, that can be nice, too; but I wasn't referring to that! :p But it's nice to be a bit naughty sometimes!

And maybe so... or maybe they're just enjoying our little conversation. I know I am... so any time, any place, huh? I might have to take you up on that offer sometime! :)
 
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