would you like to be a judge?

[Thor]

would you like to be a judge?

do you think you can judge? can you make decisions that change life? or end it?

 

[intensepump]

fuck no...I'm not a wise Latino woman

 

[brmstn69]

hell no! My uncle is a judge, I pity the bastard...

 

[XMan101]

Never!! If I had to I would in a life or death situation, but always hope it will never come to that.

 

[sweetuttsada]

Only god can judge us

 

[XMan101]

There is no god, I'm an aethiest.

Thor was the God of Thunder, maybe he's a god lol

 

[slimjim]

Don't know about God....but he sure as hell is a LEGEND

 

[Thor]

legends die.....gods live forever (in are minds) lol

 

[XMan101]

You'll live forever in our minds lol

 

[bloop2]

WOULD LOVE TO BE A JUDGE!!! .. I tend to follow life, and rules, and the whole shibang.. I believe in honesty and fairness. There is way too much violence happening in the world and unfair trials. And death would only depend on the severity of the situation.. Plus no one gets the life sentence and dies morbidly like they used to like the electric chair.. its a simple injection. I don't think I would have trouble putting anyone in jail and such.. if you have good morals then you wouldn't and shouldn't run into trouble with the law to begin with right?

 

[intensepump]

mmm...
If it were normally that easy....
you might be right...bloop..but lets say...

you have a black guy, about 18 years old, who came from a terrible childhood...his mamma was crack whore, his daddy was unknown...and no one was there in his life to give him guidance in morals. Yes, he knows the law, knows right from wrong, but doesn't really know or understand morals.

Lets say his crack mamma, got him hooked on crack too...and so he begins to steal from people to support his crack habit. He just always wanted someone to love him...so he gets a girlfriend and gets her preggers. He finally realizes that he needs to stand up and be a man for his child...so he tries to get off the crack, but can't seem to. He tries to find and hold a job, but no one will hire him in a decent job. So finally he robs a quckie mart to get his girl some milk and vitamins and the in the process, the clerk pulls a gun on him..so he shoots and kills the quckie mart clerk. He is caught and arrested. He is charged and convicted of first degree murder, he only has a first year public defender to help him.

Could you...sentence him to death so easily...he would just get an injection..right? No suffering. BTW...a true story.

Don't get me wrong...he's guilty as hell and I believe in justice...but I believe in a broader justice...just not justice for the dead clerk. I couldn't sentence him to death....but I would also feel bad about justice for the clerk...you see being a judge..wouldn't be easy..that is if you have a soul.

While the young man is guilty of the crime...how much of that guilt does society share in?....where were the programs to help his mother get off crack and be a good mother, where were the programs to help him learn morals...what about the generations (we forget..hundreds of years) of disadvantage that blacks have endured in this country and around the world. What about the young man getting a decent education and skills to enable him to get a decent job. What about programs to help him....to see and have hope?

I'm not saying he doesn't have to pull himself up...because he does...but society needs to have outstretched hands to help him up.

See being a judge sucks if you have a soul...because there aren't easy clean answers...to administer justice in an unjust world...would suck so bad. Who makes the rules and for the advantage of who?

My gggrandfather ...among many things...was Chief Justice of the United States....I have his private diaries...and I find...that even the conservative old shit bag that he was...he was tortured by many of his decisions...he was very aware he lived in an unjust world....but, he just accepted it was that way and basically said..."oh well" .

Reading those diaries....was a turning point in my life...I suppose one of the reasons I am the black sheep of the family..the one who hates the system and fights it.

 

[Thor]

hmmm, so is there true justice for anyone pump?

personally I don't think so, and thats why i asked if you could be a judge...I cant

i couldn't sleep at night (unless i was passed out)hehe

i know my own faults, and i wouldn't be able to pass judgment on another in a complicated matter like that...I just don't have that capacity..lol

 

[bloop2]

I totally understand what your saying intense and I see the point that you are trying to convey... But there's also a part of me that's just.. totally disagree.. I think its the part of me being in highschool and because of my religion teacher that had influenced in me in the way I think. I remember him telling me a story if he would ever give change to someone who is homeless on the street.. and he said he wouldn't and would tell the hobo to go to a soup kitchen if he was hungry.. Now this is coming from my religion teacher which I had not expect it to come from.. but it did.. but I totally see his point of view. I never give change to a homeless person but I buy them food at a coffee shop if they are near one which they usually are.

Now to connect that story about my religion teacher and from the way I view things can be tied between each other is that.. I believe that there are different sources and outlets for a whole lot of different people out there that are in need. If he needed and wanted someone to love him.. why not call big brother big sister that can provide him the guidance and companionship that he is in dire need of or is longing for instead of getting his girlfriend pregnant? And if his girlfriend is pregnant and needed to man up and know that he had to support his family.. instead of robbing a quickie mart why not go to a soup shop that provides those who are homeless hot meal to eat. There's financial aid and government support for those who make less than the average financial household income? There are also government aided walk in clinics that is available for the public.. I just get really frustrated at things that happened that can easily be avoided if they just go out there and just see whats available for them.

 

[intensepump]

I totally understand what your saying intense and I see the point that you are trying to convey... But there's also a part of me that's just.. totally disagree.. I think its the part of me being in highschool and because of my religion teacher that had influenced in me in the way I think. I remember him telling me a story if he would ever give change to someone who is homeless on the street.. and he said he wouldn't and would tell the hobo to go to a soup kitchen if he was hungry.. Now this is coming from my religion teacher which I had not expect it to come from.. but it did.. but I totally see his point of view. I never give change to a homeless person but I buy them food at a coffee shop if they are near one which they usually are.

Now to connect that story about my religion teacher and from the way I view things can be tied between each other is that.. I believe that there are different sources and outlets for a whole lot of different people out there that are in need. If he needed and wanted someone to love him.. why not call big brother big sister that can provide him the guidance and companionship that he is in dire need of or is longing for instead of getting his girlfriend pregnant? And if his girlfriend is pregnant and needed to man up and know that he had to support his family.. instead of robbing a quickie mart why not go to a soup shop that provides those who are homeless hot meal to eat. There's financial aid and government support for those who make less than the average financial household income? There are also government aided walk in clinics that is available for the public.. I just get really frustrated at things that happened that can easily be avoided if they just go out there and just see whats available for them.

The hardest part of this issue is that you and I can stand in our shoes and image to put ourselves in his shoes...but no matter how hard we try...we will never be in his shoes. In a few years...you might come to appreciate more what I am saying, just open the mind a little bit now. You ask..why can't he do this or that....because the damage was done when he was a child...and is it fair to expect a child to be responsible for something when he doesn't even know what responsibility is?

My real point is we live in a very unjust world and what "justice" is, is sometimes defined by what shoes you are wearing. It is a very hard thing..."Justice"...because it assumes that there are absolute rights and wrongs. This is where me and organized religion part....because EVERYTHING is always RELATIVE.

BTW...usually once a week I take a homeless person to lunch...I sit and eat with them...I have learned so much about life that way, by listening to their stories. Too bad your religious teacher hasn't tried that approach. Good to see you have done that too...keep doing it, maybe sit and talk with them, it will make YOUR life much richer.

 

[sweetuttsada]

That's why I said, only god can judge us.

 

[raisinboy]

Could you...sentence him to death so easily...

Well, that's the important point of your story (and an entirely different discussion) - I could sentence him to prison easily, but not to his death. I couldn't be a judge in a state with the death penalty, I wouldn't sentence anyone then.

 

[bloop2]

I don't know Intense.. I hate to appear close minded but it's just that.. even though you haven't been brought up with good morals or have good life lessons.. I just feel like if you truly do want to change and want a better life for yourself you can achieve it and be able to when your ready just stand up say your fed up and you want to change for the better.. its never too late..I remember him telling me a story and asking if someone who has a starving family needed some food the husband goes to the market and steals a loaf of bread for his family and gets caught.. do you put him in jail for stealing or let him go because his family is starving?.. I say why not just ask for it kindly and see where that goes and perhaps if the seller is kind enough he will give it to you?

 

[angelmist]

A Judge of what? In court?

 

[alexfot55]

No, but I've been a juror twice. Didn't like the experience .