who controls the world?

[Tom]

I think the question is a little more regional or personal.
For me, who controls my world.

1). Health Insurance Companies.
2). The Government stealing half my salary to feed their own greed.
3). Oil Companies.

 

[Behrluvr]

Did you actually read what I wrote? Might want to calm down and smell the roses and stop being on an offensive strike...)

Seems to me you want to do everything but discuss the point made by the OP. Let me point out I am not the subject of the OP's post. Looks like you do exactly the same thing you accuse me of, that is not read responses.

Once again, the way a message board works is 2 or more people type out original thoughts in response to a given topic. In this case you don't seem to have a response to my premise that the fertility rates of the countries in western Europe, Japan, Russia, and Canada are not healthy enough to sustain themselves. Furthermore the point I'm making is the group(s) which have the healthiest fertility rates will be the ones who control the world. That is the only point I'm interested in discussing on this thread.

The correct way to use a link is, for example, if I state the fertility rate numbers of countries then refer to a legitimate source for that figure. (I'm prepared to do this if needed BTW).

The incorrect way to use a link is how you did it. To make no real point, or shift the topic to something else, (such as the ad hominem) and then refer the reader to a bunch of sources with vague relevance to the topic at hand.

 

[Behrluvr]

I think the question is a little more regional or personal.
For me, who controls my world.

1). Health Insurance Companies.
2). The Government stealing half my salary to feed their own greed.
3). Oil Companies.

Of the 3 you've listed , I'd say the most serious is number 2. A government taxing at a 50% rate is unsustainable. This rate is characteristic of the western European welfare states, Canada, and eventually the US too.

IMO, a government with such confiscatory tax rates will never control the world. The welfare state requires more and more citizens to pay the taxes. In order to fund the cradle-to-grave entitlement programs, you need working taxpayers. A welfare state removes the reason for people to be self sufficient, to depend on themselves. Why work when you can go on welfare? Why work when you can retire at age 56 and collect a government check? Why work when you can go to college to age 30?, age 35? Why concern yourself with maintaining good health when the state will pick up the tab?

And to tie it in to my theory, why produce 2 or more children per couple and depend on your offspring to help support you in retirement when the state will do it for you? Children are no longer needed, as the welfare state takes over the job of caring for elderly. Unfortunately , with fewer children, eventually you have no welfare state.

 

[SimplyJakeAndAlex]

Seems to me you want to do everything but discuss the point made by the OP. Let me point out I am not the subject of the OP's post. Looks like you do exactly the same thing you accuse me of, that is not read responses.

Once again, the way a message board works is 2 or more people type out original thoughts in response to a given topic. In this case you don't seem to have a response to my premise that the fertility rates of the countries in western Europe, Japan, Russia, and Canada are not healthy enough to sustain themselves. Furthermore the point I'm making is the group(s) which have the healthiest fertility rates will be the ones who control the world. That is the only point I'm interested in discussing on this thread.

The correct way to use a link is, for example, if I state the fertility rate numbers of countries then refer to a legitimate source for that figure. (I'm prepared to do this if needed BTW).

The incorrect way to use a link is how you did it. To make no real point, or shift the topic to something else, (such as the ad hominem) and then refer the reader to a bunch of sources with vague relevance to the topic at hand.

Oh come on this is just driveling you don't read at all what I just posted so I for say that you just want to storms against the links and you step everything else. Therefore I am through with this one. I was going to reply with a quite developed rhetoric but frankly now I just see that you don't care at all so why the hell would I go spending time writing an essay if afterward you'll just come back with the links I posted which seems to have "Oh so much insulted you". I leave you with your perception of what real and what not and also you assumption that you know the person talking with you.

I have posted in this board much more in depth posting regarding other subject and I have had the similar kind of response from people who stumble on insignificant objects so they make sure I don't come forward to bit the dust out of them. You want a discussion, well than stop rambling about links that you didn't watch and read the responses already... stop that insignificant monologue already and stop insulting people's intelligence with your driveling. From my viewpoint I sense that your all but certainly not ready to read and apprehend what I was going to say since yet again you come with the links and forgot everything else.

I surely don't have that time to waste with you I've seen your previous posts and I know what you believe to be information and true even though other people can seriously challenge your opinion (because that's what they are). As if fertility rate is the only factor of world domination :rofl:. Well I've spoken enough on this subject since I'm just talking to an empty receptacle that only listen to his reason (if one can call it this way). I'd use the same things you said earlier, this is the real world, not some classroom, well sir this is the real world not some show where one guy monologuise on a subject and call it a discussion because the same guy doesn't want to read what the other has to say. Well I'm not that kind of guy and I have way better to do of my time. So good luck dude:cheers: And for your reference see below one of my previous answer:

What you did there, you picked up a single factor and came to the conclusion that fertility was the only factor to explain the world domination, where in fact for more than two decades the very populated countries you mentioned have had overpopulation rate for a very long time and that didn't make them world power. China as you mentioned result to this solution of one child per family because they were facing an abnormal increasing population growth (although I don't agree with killing any human form of life) that's the only solution they could find to limit their ever growing population. Canada as you mentioned it so well is an aging population and we open our boarders to let immigrant in... now you seems to forget that AMERICA did exactly the same, they are 4 time our population, but as I don't have the actual numbers of immigrant for the last 50 years, taking also in consideration the detached territories the American have their rate of fertility thanks to immigration, otherwise it would be the very same case than Canada.

Rate of fertility is one things, but over population also brings a lot of problem that are going to affect their socioeconomic status which can definitely play against their world control.

In order to respond to what you wrote this means that I have to do a full pledge socioeconomic analysis using your details as a comparative benchmark. Although I have better to do than giving a complete analysis on a bulletin board. I will do it anyway just so you'll be content, if I can enlighten you with some different ways of doing a research I can sure give it a shot, because sociology/demography and politics ARE my area of studies.

Here's some question I'll try to develop around:

• Presence and absence of arable land affect a nation - got to feed all those powerful people of yours. Canada is one of the world's leader in grain/cereal production. We are not going to starve anytime soon.
• Life expectancy and literacy versus the quality of labor in the economy. To be powerful you need to have a certain level of literacy and a good medical care system.
• Fertility rates versus resources - yeah well more people equals more natural resources being used... check carefully how much foreign resources the Americans are using... Canada itself provides the USA with a load of natural resources.
• GDP per capita in order to pinpoint the standards of living in each system you mentioned
• And finally the impact of industrialization/service; agriculture, employment etc.

In some of the countries you have named, there few with some of those issues and that is why I questioned if fertility is the only factor for becoming a world power. More people = more food, more food = more production and some of those countries you mentioned will have a hard time to maintain an equals share of resources.

There is indeed more to develop around, but hey I get pay thousands of dollars to do what I'm about to do for free so you'll be content.

Give me a week or two (very little time to come with a study, but I'll try my best) and I'll gather the information I need, put it in a nice text and give it to you from this thread. Since you can't view the links due to Irene's aftermath you wouldn't storm after those links if you'd saw the wealth of information they contain. :cheers:

In the real world when someone sees that they say: -"Ah cool, I'm waiting for it" in your world you just go about rambling on insignificant matter about three links I posted, which I pretty certain some people appreciated them... so want me to reply step off lalaland and wait otherwise shush this rambling I am not going to agree with you with the links posting so you might as well drop it.

 

[Behrluvr]

... Might want to calm down and smell the roses and stop being on an offensive strike... I did say I was responding to you but if that's the way you are going to respond each and every time someone is not agreeing with you I'd prefer pass and forget all about it... I sense some extreme defensive behaviors in your response and if that's the way it's going to be sir I prefer not to reply to you at all and let you believe that you're right because I have the idea that's all you want to be: to be right. I already partially replied to your post and yet you're rambling about the links I posted.

You might want to take your own advice here. Seems like your whole response is a long rant. I realize my premise about who will control the world is scary, but going on an emotional rant toward the messenger is not a response.

Its never fun when a great nation goes into decline. Look at the Brits, they were once the definitive world power. They controlled the world up to about WWII. Something similar happened with the other European nations but no longer are any of them in a position to control even themselves let alone the world.

The US is not facing decline due to demographics, but we do face a dangerous threat due to liberal policies and especially the policies of the Obama administration. The direction this country has taken is suicidal. We will become a clone of Europe unless the reckless government spending/borrowing and such nanny state legislation as Obamacare is repealed by the hopefully upcoming conservative administration.

 

[SimplyJakeAndAlex]

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Believe what you like and no I am not being emotional at all... I have dealt with more illogical dudes then you are and they had PHDs and yet I'm still around and still love life, on this note here's one thing that prove how not of an emotional dude I am I care about your opinion (about me) like the very last dump than my neighbors' dog had last year during Halloween he was disguised as a catwoman. Just forget about it there's no point discussing with you since it's just a monologue and personal attacks on someone you have no idea about. Do you believe you win anything? Tomorrow I'll still be me, still wake up happy and still do what I love to do, so did you change anything? Again believe what you like, and make sure not to click on any of those links I provided because you might learn something LOL I wouldn't want to change you on that :rofl:. Cheers.

PS. don't bother replying I'm done reading you blatant attack and shoe laces philosophy.

 

[Behrluvr]

I don't see why you feel the need to take off. We are having a discussion here. I disagree with you, that's all , and I'm going to defend my POV. Sir , it's a harsh world out there and if my theory comes to pass, it's going to get a lot harsher, soon, especially in the welfare state democracies. It's already happening in Greece.

 

[Behrluvr]

To continue on this business of who will control the world. The immediate change coming up is who will control Europe. It will not be the native Europeans. They are in a trap. They have huge entitlement programs which demand taxes, and lots of them. To pay taxes requires taxpayers. But, there are fewer native born taxpayers each year but more and more native borns in entitlements.

Where does this leave Europe? With immigration. Where will these immigrants come from? The middle east, east Africa,and sub saharan Africa. Its already happening. These new Europeans will overwhelm the native borns, and they will displace the current Euro culture with their own. They are deeply religious, family oriented, and have high fertility rates. They will change the face of Europe, and they will not abide by the secular welfare state.

Eventually these new Euros will be in positions of power, in the parliments , they already are in some countries like Belgium. When the time comes for a vote for Sharia, it will pass. Europe is to become part of the caliphate.

 

[serendip]

in the end... no one can control you without your permission... so live, laugh, and learn...

 

[Behrluvr]

in the end... no one can control you without your permission... so live, laugh, and learn...

History shows otherwise.. Nazi occupied Europe, Cambodia under Pol Pot, all the colonial nations under France, Brittain, Holland, Spain, and Portugal, and on and on to name a few.

None of these people gave permission to be controlled and yet they were. The Aztecs did not give permission to Cortez nor the Inca to Pizarro, yet they were controlled. In fact I can't come up with an example of a culture which willingly gave up its sovereignty. Maybe the Indians under the British, not sure on that one.

 

[trencherman]

A consortium of mediocre white men typified by Dick Cheney.

 

[Behrluvr]

A consortium of mediocre white men typified by Dick Cheney.

You'll yearn for those 'mediocre white men' when you are forced to pray 5 times a day to Allah, - coming soon.

 

[giu]

Our minds.

 

[tiggertoo]

You'll yearn for those 'mediocre white men' when you are forced to pray 5 times a day to Allah, - coming soon.

are you promising that, or hoping for that or just dooming-and-glooming? can't see it happening in north america

 

[777]

Mother Earth. Anyone can try to beat her but loses eventually.

 

[miklo1968]

The wealthy white men (I'm a un-wealthy white man)

 

[Behrluvr]

are you promising that, or hoping for that or just dooming-and-glooming? can't see it happening in north america

Things are heading in this direction. We are likely to see this as a future for Europe.

 

[tiggertoo]

Things are heading in this direction. We are likely to see this as a future for Europe.

Maybe, but only if people dont get off their asses and do something about it - like demanding that politicians start passing laws against forced conversion to any religion. I know some middle eastern guys who fled from Islamic rule, and they told me that the easiest thing for extremists is when no one stands up and demands rights. Everyone seems to be kissing the ass of religious extremists, and that just gives them more power. But I still dont see it happening here, way too many guys who will shoot on sight if you try to force them to change from America to something else. Maybe that's what it will take, IDK.

 

[777]

Maybe, but only if people dont get off their asses and do something about it - like demanding that politicians start passing laws against forced conversion to any religion. I know some middle eastern guys who fled from Islamic rule, and they told me that the easiest thing for extremists is when no one stands up and demands rights. Everyone seems to be kissing the ass of religious extremists, and that just gives them more power. But I still dont see it happening here, way too many guys who will shoot on sight if you try to force them to change from America to something else. Maybe that's what it will take, IDK.

Don't take things others try to feed you as a matter of fact We have more problems with the far right, neonazis and the likes. They beat up people, destroy properties and businesses and so forth all the time, and their actions get approved by many who would rather not face any other cultures than our own. Populism has been on the raise. Most of the problems, which are social problems, come from people being poor, social outcasts, what ever you want to name it, not from their religion.

If we talk about terrorism, I really like what the middle eastern guys said to you. It's the same everywhere, whether it's right wing, left wing, Christian, Muslim, Hindu... It's not so long ago when the attacks from Bask separatist group ETA or the Irish IRA were constantly in news in Europe. There hasn't been many Muslim ones because the majority of Muslims do not approve such things, and I doubt that will be changing in the future.

There's a lot of Christian or right wing extremism in the US too, nutjobs who murder abortion doctors and try to limit freedoms of women and other things that don't fit their righteous Christian "beliefs". It's ironic that the same people preach around telling how Muslims treat their women badly... And every one seems to be kissing their asses. Also, USA has supported groups that could be called terrorists, like the Taliban (Osama bin Laden was trained by the CIA) or Contras in Nigaragua (check out Iran-Contra scandal) in fear of Communism, not to mention the Communist hunts and now Muslim hunts... If you want to stand up against something, begin with your own country, that's what I do too, as a European citizen.

 

[tiggertoo]

If you want to stand up against something, begin with your own country, that's what I do too, as a European citizen.

that's kinda like what I said. and I never accept at face value the shit that people try to feed me, including all the stuff I read here