Aliens and UFO's -are they real?

[brmstn69]

Just spend an hour or two reading post in the discussion area and you will be convinced that aliens are not only real, but they are here amongst us...

 

[fkboy1]

I believe they are.....

 

[ihno]

I believe that there is life out in the universe but I don't believe the stories that go around concerning visitors and Aliens in UFOs, who come to eat cows in the field or steal them etc. I've really read that.

I enjoy watching "ancient aliens" though. That's soo absurd and silly and there is this over-tanned guy with the wild hair. The sillier the things are he talks about the messier his hair gets. :rofl:

There are some rather intelligent and interesting videos on youtube dealing with "ancient aliens", just use "dedunked" when searching.

 

[Tjerk12]

 

[SimplyJakeAndAlex]

We are all Aliens, don't forget how life was forged on this planet. And UFO does exist, they are just unidentified... those are things and events that people have seen but couldn't put a name to it. As oppose to a great being that nobody ever saw but yet he/she/it has multiple names and several copy of bestsellers LOL

 

[Stuart]

Oh come on guys, aliens living on earth! I expect more of people here. Most definitely aliens exist on planets far far away, but FUCKIN' NOT here. Oops sorry about that, Giant Head said I should try to debunk any stories, let me just get Sally, Tommy and Harry to confirm it. Dick er sorry Stuart x

 

[Jamoo]

.... where do u think TeaParty guys came from? :devil:

 

[SimplyJakeAndAlex]

Oh come on guys, aliens living on earth! I expect more of people here. Most definitely aliens exist on planets far far away, but FUCKIN' NOT here. Oops sorry about that, Giant Head said I should try to debunk any stories, let me just get Sally, Tommy and Harry to confirm it. Dick er sorry Stuart x

Well another term for Alien is "stranger" so I'm an Alien to you as much as you're an Alien to me. Say my Xmas greeting to Giant Head, White Snow, Cinderella and the Christmas Unicorn :rofl:

 

[SimplyJakeAndAlex]

Thanks for the replies.

Most people take the I believe reasonable view, that UFO's are real, but they do not accept some reports. Some are skeptical but remain open to what is being reported, again and again, all over the world, the same things across many countries and cultures.

To ask another question, is there such a thing as paranormal? Or does everything have to be, well... normal?

Are UFO witnesses seen as abnormal?

At one time (and still to some extent) homosexuality was seen as 'abnormal', and even imaginary, as though being gay was just 'in the mind'. But, as time goes on, homosexuality is becoming more and more acceptable, less laugh, and fewer say it is just in the mind (like something that can be fixed).

Maybe some day, UFO witnesses will not have to feel 'it is only in my mind' or be afraid of ridicule.

If thousands of people see a craft, it should be interesting to us and taken seriously. We should investigate more. But why do some almost automatically make a big laugh out of it?

Let's remain interested and investigate more.


And what about cases of abduction?

This one is scary...

Well the problem with that TATA is that most of the persons who have claimed to have been abducted by Aliens are for the most alone and from remote areas. You will rarely hear about a man being abducted from a big city like New-York, London, Paris, Copenhagen or Toronto, it always happens in a remote area where there's no witnesses. There are not enough cases that happened through out the world for people to initially believe it. Funny enough you don't hear much abduction stories from many countries in Africa, and yet that would be a perfect place for Aliens to go abducts people over there.

Another problem is that most people who have reported to have been abducted always seems to have very little to no education at all... when was the last time have you heard a Dentist, PHD, doctor from those small location to have been abducted by aliens? Quite rarely!

You cannot compare the case of homosexuality to UFO sighting or abduction... Homosexuality is as old as humanity and in many previous era Homosexuality was very accepted (not spoken as such, but still accepted) and there was no concept of it being normal or not. Ditching of homosexuality to the level that we have known today got bigger with the Inquisition when churches was trying to get more income by selling indulgences to citizens. That's how clearly homosexuality became a huge sin... because before Inquisition, homosexuality was not accepted, but was widely spread among kings and nobles for whom the 14 years old page a Knight would have at his service would also be the very same page giving a bath to his master and masturbating him or serving as the receiving hole while on battle campaign. Therefore TATA homosexuality cannot be compared with UFO or Aliens, people knew it existed, there was proof of it and they just didn't mentioned or talk about it.

 

[ihno]

Well the problem with that TATA is that most of the persons who have claimed to have been abducted by Aliens are for the most alone and from remote areas. You will rarely hear about a man being abducted from a big city like New-York, London, Paris, Copenhagen or Toronto, it always happens in a remote area where there's no witnesses. There are not enough cases that happened through out the world for people to initially believe it. Funny enough you don't hear much abduction stories from many countries in Africa, and yet that would be a perfect place for Aliens to go abducts people over there.

Yes. You hear those stories most often form the U.S.

I just did some quick research for Aliens in german language to see if there are any. There are stories, but all from the States.

I also read that there are actually stories concerning New York with saucers flying around skyscrapers and abducting aliens but nobody but only the supposed victims noticed them, nobody else.

 

[SimplyJakeAndAlex]

Maybe some day, UFO witnesses will not have to feel 'it is only in my mind' or be afraid of ridicule.

If thousands of people see a craft, it should be interesting to us and taken seriously. We should investigate more. But why do some almost automatically make a big laugh out of it?

Let's remain interested and investigate more.

And what about cases of abduction?

This one is scary...

If we go just a little further in investigation taking consideration in how little someone's knows about the brain playing tricks on us... I would also be the first to be skeptical about such allegations from someone saying they have been abducted or they have spotted a UFO... first UFO I believe it because UFOs have been associated for years with flying saucer and little green men however one knows that UFO are just Unidentified Flying Objects and there's billion if not more of those flying around in our galaxy alone. One can widely thanks Hollywood for that ; you can also thanks Hollywood for making Voodoo a black magic cult practiced by pagans, while in fact Voodoo is as organized than the other "animist religions" and have the very same extraordinary pregnancy story of a boy born of a virgin mother (the only difference, they're black). The cult of voodoo with the dancing and singing and used of psychotropic substances (puffy fish powder) which is a very powerful mind control drug, while Marijuana is considered to be a mind control drug, the substance created from the puffy fish is 500 hundreds time stronger and works immediately and last for a very very long time (mostly when the victim is kept on a very low diet). Those drug were use for very same functions than previous pagan religions (get smashed and make-believe to be closer to god(s)).

Now in the story of your last video, it is interesting that if there was so many people in the car, the media retain only the one that have claimed to have been abducted by aliens... If so many have seen the same phenomenon for the sake of humanity they should have just come forward not just for the laughing stock that may result of it, but to back up the credibility of their friends (More people, to have seen the same thing at the same time, more people to push the credibility level). Today now that people have camera on every single devices one doesn't hear much of alien abductions or UFO much and a picture can easily be discredited by a non-professional Photoshop user.

From a behavioral psychological stand point of the man telling his story, there is uncertainty in his tone, the position he uses when explaining suggest that he is uncomfortable (even though) the arms are wide open... obviously this video was professionally made and it is not rare during a report to have a specialist in non-verbal to analyse the movements and other little details that could give away his credibility while telling his story.

Now here's another things that I picked up from his speech, everything he claimed to have seen is always happening in seconds time frame, although our eyes are quick to flap, the brain does take more than one second to properly analyse what we seen, if anyone has been under anesthesia; do you remember how foggy everything is and how easily an image can be distorted, I too would see my doctor with green complexion and big glassy eyes after hours on an operation table.

In conclusion brain plays trick, consciousness take some time to re-establish itself. And at last if I'd be abducted by Alien I hope my brain will turn them all into my Alex and then they can do whatever to my ass, chance are I'll like it and i'll fuck their little green asses LOL:rofl:

 

[squiggle]

Just to add to what Jake said, there's a part of the brain which deals with "beliefs". It appears to have powerful functions. So, as an example, if a person strongly believes in ghosts or aliens or god and is put in a situation where unexplained things could happen, the brain will tend to interpret them in line with the belief. Put someone in a dark mansion at midnight having told them that it is haunted and every creak, shadow or unrecognised object may be interpreted by the brain as ghosts. In Thailand, many, many people believe in ghosts and as a result, they are part of their culture. As a result many ghosts are "seen". This may account for many UFO sightings even when they are witnessed by numerous people.

Notwithstanding this possibility, can anyone give a plausible motive for so much alleged UFO activity but no first contact. No conspiracy theories, please.

 

[ihno]

Just to add to what Jake said, there's a part of the brain which deals with "beliefs".

Don't know if you refer to the thesis by Dean Hamer, an american filmmaker and geneticist.

He also claimed that homosexuality is determined in the genes and sold many books. ("homo-gene"). His therory of the "believe-gene" came afterwars and sold just as well. I consider him one of those "scientists" who care lots about marketing and little about intellectual honesty. Like you have with history too, where you have "theories" like "Charlemagne never was", "Old Egypt never was".

Maybe you're not reffering to that, wanted to add that anyway.

 

[6229812]

UFOs are definitely real: My Uncle was abducted and probed several times X_X

 

[SimplyJakeAndAlex]

UFOs are definitely real: My Uncle was abducted and probed several times X_X

And that is enough for you to say that Alien has nothing better to do than flying over, pick up a human, probe his ass and put them back in the cornfield where they found him... so what is the story of your uncle? What did he see? How many times account for "several times"? What is your uncle psychological profile?

Hey there's billion of people on earth believing in the trinity, in the life after death, the god of Genesis, the enslaving of the Jews when in fact there's no evidence that have been found of that (and we are talking about one of the ancient people that were anal when it came to event records, which can be found everywhere in Egypt, but yet no pictures of Jews, Star of David etc... this part of history is missing from papyrus, drawings and hieroglyphs).

My friend who suffers from schizophrenia swear that he hear voices telling him to go hurt someone when he is in the highest point of the crisis and we know today that it is a dysfunction from the brain... same dysfunction that our dear Joan of Arc had

Be skeptical my friend, be very skeptical and the truth will be revealed.

 

[SimplyJakeAndAlex]

Don't know if you refer to the thesis by Dean Hamer, an american filmmaker and geneticist.

He also claimed that homosexuality is determined in the genes and sold many books. ("homo-gene"). His therory of the "believe-gene" came afterwars and sold just as well. I consider him one of those "scientists" who care lots about marketing and little about intellectual honesty. Like you have with history too, where you have "theories" like "Charlemagne never was", "Old Egypt never was".

Maybe you're not reffering to that, wanted to add that anyway.

I've read Dr Dean Hamer's thesis and wiped my ass with all the pages, first sign of his credibility is that he's a filmmaker (not a doentalist) filmmaking is the arts of making movies whether they are fiction or non-fictions... filmmaker uses a pre-conceptual format to make their film, while a doentalist research first and if not indoctrinated by greed will produce a good acceptable doent. The most widely used software to write movies are FinalDraft for Mac and Screenwriter's Movie Magic for Pc they both use the industry standard for the creation of all kind of script; including theater plays.

Although he has sold many books, the credibility of his homo-gene has been seriously questioned because he couldn't reply to some fundamental questions "does your homo-gene includes bisexual and transgender or is it just another genetic mistake?" His thesis isn't complete at all and I'd just say like you... it is really just a Marketing scheme to sell more books... soon he'll be writing a book called "Luke I am your father, and Princess Leia is really your sister, the emperor is an old gay fart and rapped you in your dark side when you were 12:rofl:"

 

[ihno]

@Jake: I see you noted why I called him "filmmaker" first. And yes, if I wasn't clear enough: yes, he's a charlatan.

And that is enough for you to say that Alien has nothing better to do than flying over, pick up a human, probe his ass and put them back in the cornfield where they found him...

Does probing always automatically mean probing the ass?

Well, they must be organised rather badly anyway. They seem to come back and back again to collect more and more samples. Don't they make a list or plans or anythings like that?

Hey there's billion of people on earth believing in the trinity, in the life after death, the god of Genesis, the enslaving of the Jews when in fact there's no evidence that have been found of that (and we are talking about one of the ancient people that were anal when it came to event records, which can be found everywhere in Egypt, but yet no pictures of Jews, Star of David etc... this part of history is missing from papyrus, drawings and hieroglyphs).

I totally support your statement about being sceptic. :cheers:

But I personally see no reason to question that there was a period in which the Ancient Jews were enslaved in Egypt. If you believe in the christian/jewish God or not, it's more likely that the bible is based on historical events than to think of it as a total historical hoax.

Why should the Ancient Egypts make many pictures/records of religious symbols of an enslaved people? I'm no expert in Egyptology. Would they really have cared for that? Of course you might expect something about a campaign where the jewish people were enslaved, but it's not that the "we had to go to Egypt" is a totally improbable story.

The Hittites were told to be a biblical invention for a very long time too till there was finally found non biblical proof for their existence. Myyy, were we surprised.

 

[SimplyJakeAndAlex]

Why should the Ancient Egypts make many pictures/records of religious symbols of an enslaved people? I'm no expert in Egyptology. Would they really have cared for that? Of course you might expect something about a campaign where the jewish people were enslaved, but it's not that the "we had to go to Egypt" is a totally improbable story.

The Hittites were told to be a biblical invention for a very long time too till there was finally found non biblical proof for their existence. Myyy, were we surprised.

Hmmm Egyptians had the habits to record everything about what they do... if they're was really been enslaving of a whole people as described in Genesis egyptologists would have found evidence of it. You could find many symbols from other peoples when egyptian were at war with others, there was trace of Roman empire and even though they didn't have the same religion or government one can see that it had marked their people enough to speak of it in their records.

The bible can be used a an historical account because it was written in previous era and I am not saying that everything in it is false, there's a lot of historical facts in the bible but there is also a lot of fabricated stories. The Hittites were indeed told to be a biblical invention but by whom? Not true historians. As an historian I question everything even our current history, because an historian has reported some historical events doesn't automatically become the whole truth, it a continuous science that can be refute any time. Christian religion isn't the only religion I don't believe in, I don't believe and am skeptical of any animist religions.

History reports have always to be taken with an open and closed eye... my own family is very historical, and we have doents that can refute some stories told about the kings of France, but because our family was third cousin of the king (still royal) "expert" do not take it into account.

I hear you however... but I just put this there as a simple example... now let's go back to the green little men LOL :cheers:

 

[ihno]

Hmmm Egyptians had the habits to record everything about what they do... if they're was really been enslaving of a whole people as described in Genesis egyptologists would have found evidence of it. You could find many symbols from other peoples when egyptian were at war with others, there was trace of Roman empire and even though they didn't have the same religion or government one can see that it had marked their people enough to speak of it in their records.

Sorry, english not my mother-tongue, I'll do my best.

There are still discoveries every day and there are long periods of time we know nothing about. There is more we do NOT know than we know.

The bible can be used a an historical account because it was written in previous era and I am not saying that everything in it is false, there's a lot of historical facts in the bible but there is also a lot of fabricated stories. The Hittites were indeed told to be a biblical invention but by whom? Not true historians.

Name me one scientific expert who says that it's definitely not possible that there was an enslavement of the jewish people in Ancient Egypt. To dismiss the bible in this matter you need something of value that contradicts it.

As an historian I question everything even our current history, because an historian has reported some historical events doesn't automatically become the whole truth, it a continuous science that can be refute any time.

What about things you find scientifically plausible? Science is not just based on scepticism but also based on trust. And this is not just valid for history, this goes for every science. You have to have a critical mind but don't you need a common objective ground almost as much as you need the critical mind when you do science?

I hear you however... but I just put this there as a simple example... now let's go back to the green little men LOL :cheers:

:thinking: Yes. Now, after my answer we can go back to topic. :thumbs up:

But seriously: if it comes to Aliens, it's not a bad thing to talk about science and how it works, since the scientists are always the bad guys (while the silly frauds from youtube are the good guys).

 

[SimplyJakeAndAlex]

Sorry, english not my mother-tongue, I'll do my best.

There are still discoveries every day and there are long periods of time we know nothing about. There is more we do NOT know than we know.



Name me one scientific expert who says that it's definitely not possible that there was an enslavement of the jewish people in Ancient Egypt. To dismiss the bible in this matter you need something of value that contradicts it.



What about things you find scientifically plausible? Science is not just based on scepticism but also based on trust. And this is not just valid for history, this goes for every science. You have to have a critical mind but don't you need a common objective ground almost as much as you need the critical mind when you do science?



:thinking: Yes. Now, after my answer we can go back to topic. :thumbs up:

But seriously: if it comes to Aliens, it's not a bad thing to talk about science and how it works, since the scientists are always the bad guys (while the silly frauds from youtube are the good guys).

Go visit the thinking atheist websites and you'll have your share of biblical contradictions...

Go to your local library and do a profound study on Egyptology and Judaism... you'll find out that quite a lot of Jews themselves are questioning slavery. I have participated myself through few university researches... so you want a name... ME and if you want part of the work I did with other colleagues just ask and you'll get it's not private it's publicly accessible.

I could indeed go back in my sources and provides you with names, in fact do a very quick search on all thesis written about the Egyptian and than Israelites and you can come to your own conclusion.

A whole nation under slavery... yes that really comes from the bible... I don't buy 3/4 of what's written in the bible and the Genesis is definitely the worst set of books ever written, the 5 books of Pentateuch are as fictive as the Odyssey of Ulysses... Also i'd suggest you to read Homer and than read the first 3 books of the new testaments... if you don't find similarities than stop studying.

I did my research, and yes I can continue this privately but I am not going to write a whole thesis on a gay forum about something that is not going to change my mind tomorrow.

And YouTube isn't my main sources of information, I have access to three great libraries from University to public and to private libraries... YouTube is filled with fake and I won't use YouTube as a sole source to prove me right.

Also I do not pretend to be right, as you said so well things change, perhaps in 30 years new discoveries will bring some lights into the unknown but you do have to agree that we are learning pretty fast nowadays... what you knew 30 years ago and what information you had access to (good or bad) has considerably changed and evolved. I am not closed to new discoveries as I am a social scientist myself and will be one until the day I die.

English isn't my first language either buddy!