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Am i still the straight guy's exception?

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Hey guys. I really need help. Me and my friend Jeff have been bestfriends even brothers for about 7 or 8 years now. When i first met jeff i had a small crush on him but i put those feelings away because i knew he was straight.....and because he's a slut for girls -__- lol. When i told him i was gay he didn't care. We always joke around like it's nothing.

But last summer some things started to happen. One night i was at his house and we were getting ready to go to a party and he told me he had something to tell me. Then he changed his mind and said that he would tell me another time. Then right after that Jeff asked me "So if a straight guy ,who REALLY likes girls, likes this one guy does that make him gay?". I told him he could be curious or that guy is just an exception. I thought to myself why would he ask me that? But i just left it alone.

So at the party Jeff was flirting and kissing this girl and i was getting kind of jealous but of course i never said anything. While we were hanging out people were joking around saying they would go gay for this person and that person. Jeff would always say that if he were gay it would only be for me.Then after the party i slept over his house like i would normally do. The next morning when we woke up he asked me if we did anything last night and i said no. Then he told me he had this weird dream. He wouldn't tell me what it was.

A couple days later we went to another party and he got high....basically he kissed me twice that night.....he said that's what he wanted to tell me..that he wanted to kiss me. But then he felt bad because he was still talking to the girl from the last party.

Then a couple days later we were hanging out with some friends and they brought the kiss up and stuff. They were annoying him so he just said that he was high and that it didn't mean anything and how can he be gay....It didn't upset me as much but it still hurt. Jeff kept looking at me to see if i was alright. When we were going home he said he was sorry and that they were just getting on his nerves. He told me what he said was a lie and that the kiss did mean something. I think he just said this to make me feel better but i don't know. He asked me if i wanted to sleep over his house but i said no. IF something were to happen that night it would most likely be because he felt guilty or out of pity and i definitely didn't want that.

Later that week i asked him why did he kissed me. He said just because he wanted to, then he asked me do i have feelings for him. I told him i did a long time ago and that the kiss brought some of them back but he didn't have to worry. He said he wasn't sure how he felt.

I asked my friend Chris for some advice and Chris told me that the dream Jeff had was of us cuddling. Jeff had talked to chris about it before and that he's had the dream more than once.

Chris decided to try and talk to him. He told chris that I'm his bestfriend and like his brother and that he felt bad for leading me on.....

The next night he said to come to his house because some friends were coming over. So when i get there i see my other best friend Crystal already here. She told me she was spending the night. I already knew what was going to happen and i got a little upset but didn't say anything.... The next morning when i woke up crystal and kind of sort of jeff called me and told me that they had sex....usually this wouldn't bother me because me and Jeff would always tell each other when or if we have sex....but this time after i told him how i felt and me knowing how he felt....it killed me inside. That whole day i was depressed. I didn't do any thing or eat anything, just laid in bed. It felt like my head was torn apart and i felt like it was my fault for having feelings for him. It was horrible.....but toward the end of the day i felt a little better. I knew i could never tell jeff that i got depressed because he would never forgive himself, so i just kept everything to myself.

About a week later we were hanging out together joking around normally. And then we started to talk about everything. He said no matter how much i get on his nerves and no matter how much he hates most guys, I'm the only exception. But he said could never be with a guy. He said he was raised and brought up by women and that's why he loves them so much. I told him that i was a little upset about him and crystal. And he said he knew and that he was sorry.(i still haven't told him about the depression part but whatever).

After that summer things went back to normal for the most part. But i still have feelings for him.....and sometimes it seems like he still has feelings for me. For example, i made out with this guy at a halloween party and jeff told me he was jealous (in a non-serious way). Then he went on in this rant about him being the slut at parties and no intimacy. His exact words were, "I'm the one that's supposed to be making out with people at parties! You and me have a non-intimate relationship. No sex but were still in a relationship! lol" -____- and other times when i talk to a guy on the phone or i tell him I'm bout to go see a guy, Jeff always ask "who's he?" in this certain way, like he's kinda sort of jealous. And we still joke around about sexual stuff like we normally would but sometimes he teases me and i'm not sure if he's being serious about it or not.

And now it seems like his feelings are gone....like he just forgot everything that happened last summer....even the kiss. Like everything never happened. And recently he's gone away to college. I was supposed to go with him but i had financial trouble. I feel like those feelings are definitely going to go away now that we're away from eachother. I'm not sure what to do. Please help me. And thanks for taking the time to read this whole thing i appreciate it lol =)
 
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Before I say anything else, I think a judge from the US version of the TV show X Factor can sum up your feelings.

 

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thanks. that is basically how i'm feeling....wat do u think i shud do?
 

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Have you ever watched a movie about two people who love each other, but circumstances never seem to line up quite right so they are both available at the same time - and you just want to yell back at the screen "For god's sakes, just TELL HER HOW YOU FEEL!!"

That is where I was at by the end of your message. Are you sure that you and Jeff aren't twins separated at birth - because you both have the same aversion to owning up to your emotions.

But you're young, and love and sexuality is confusing for everyone. Still, let me see if I can give some perspective.

Going back to the movie metaphor, picture you watching your story unfold on the screen. There are people loving, talking, not talking, having sex, not having sex... just a bunch of people.

But wait - it's a 3D movie. So you are watching the movie through special glasses. In your case, these glasses separate the people into males, females, heterosexuals and homosexuals. And through that filter, things don't quite make sense. Actions and words and motivations don't quite add up. Are important things not being said, or are you assuming something in your head that really isn't there?

I think the solution is to take off the glasses and just look at the whole story as a bunch of people without labels - each is fully capable of loving another. Seen that way, things aren't as complicated. Jeff is attracted to you and you are attracted to Jeff. Even in hetero relationships a guy might start a friendship with a girl, and then slowly realize that there is more there (see When Harry Met Sally). It looks like that's what happened with Jeff. And he is confused as hell.

(I'll give you 2 to 1 odds that Jeff has sex with a guy by the time he comes home for Christmas. 20 to 1 by the end of the term.)

So where does all this leave you? First of all, you fell for Jeff. Own it, and should the time come in the future, don't be shy about admitting it to Jeff. Even if you don't feel that way about him in the future, it's part of your history and helps both of you understand what happened. If he still can't deal with it, that's his problem.

As for the relationship with Jeff, I can't tell you what to feel, but I can say that putting your romantic hopes on a 19 year old confused closeted bisexual is a pretty risky plan. Most young people grow apart from their steady boyfriends/girlfriends when they go away to college, and you don't even have that bond going for you.

My best advice is to move on. Let Jeff start the next chapter in his life, and you start yours. You might keep in touch with him occasionally, in case he wants to talk, (Though it's also possible that he might see you as the problem he wants run away from.) But give him the opportunity continue the friendship if he wants, and if you think you can emotionally handle it.

Other than that, chalk it up to a life lesson. Love is rare; you can't afford to play it too safe.
 

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thank you....i think the best thing to do is to tell him how i feel or to just move on....both are extremely hard smh. this whole situation seems like some kind of soap opera lol
 

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Cherish the memory and any future moments spent with him. You'll ruin any leftover magic just dwelling.

A few times I've had something similar. Very hard to simply move on though that's the only practical thing to do. A good group of friends to hand out with and keep your mind level helps. Keep in touch with him if you can but don't hold out for him and don't let your feelings get in the way of a good friendship. After all, a relationship can't work until both people are comfortable where they are.
 

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i'll always cherish this memory, but it makes me wish for more at times
 

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That's natural. Not so much of a bad thing either. You just have to find a way to keep that from holding you down.
 

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And think of what that says about you - you're so damn attractive even straight guys fall in love with you! ;)
 

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In my adult life, over the past 8-10 years, I have had many straight guys who have gotten to know me as an individual and once that friendship is established between us, I reveal to them that I am a gay man. This had not been a problem or an issue with our friendship because I do not disrespect anyone and I expect the same for me. What I have found out is that many of these guys when I am alone with them, have made passes at me, all have mentioned on separate occasions how attractive I was and a few of them have even got naked in front of me looking for something to happen intimately and stating that I am the only gay guy that they would have sex with because not only do they consider me to be hot, but they think I am so cool. There are only two of these guys that I went there with and what I found so shocking is that each of these guys have told me that they had fell in love with me and many would believe that its usually the gay guy who initially say something like that first. Now, one guy had went so far to break off his relationship with his girlfriend to pursue me but when things did not work out after being together undercover for awhile, he did eventually marry a woman. The other guy who spend more time with me than his actual girlfriend eventually broke up with her. Now, I did fall in love with him, but what made me put up my defense wall was that his culture was very strict about homosexuality and he feared facing that drama of being cut off from his family if they found out. Also, a couple of his family member who did find out because he got drunk one night and had told them about our relationship and then they confronted me with if he is gay, they don't want him having a relationship with a guy from a different racial background and he was shipped away to another state without even saying goodbye to me. With that being said, the reason I brought these two stories to this discussion is that both of these guys are very attractive and they are known to be Ladies Men and they women just love them. I have never seen them respond to another guy the way they had with me and this made me wonder with all the straight guys who have made passes at me and some even in the company of their wives or girlfriends, am I considered the exception as well. Do it has a lot to do with the personality that I display in their company or the way I handle myself. Therefore, you can consider yourself the exception which is a compliment.
 

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That reminds of the 2007 30 Rock TV episode where 20 year old coffee delivery boy Jamie causes a bit of drama.




He hits on Liz, but it's Frank that's suddenly smitten.

Frank: Wow, that guy is adorable.
Lutz: Haha, Frank’s gay!
Frank: Maybe I am gay, for that little peach. I want to kiss him on the mouth and hold him!
Liz: What are you talking about?
Frank: I don’t know, something just happened, Liz.
Liz: Come on. You read Boobs Magazine.
Frank: I want Jamie. I’m gay for Jamie.
Liz: No, that’s not a thing. You can’t be gay for one person. Unless you are a lady and you meet Ellen.
Frank: Well then, I got some real thinking to do. It’s scary. But also exciting!



Suddenly, straight guys being "gay for Jamie" became a conversation topic. Frank certainly didn't have a problem with it.

Frank: We're just two straight guys who want to enjoy each other's bodies.

(If I wasn't already gay, I think I would definitely be gay for Jamie ) :blushing:
 
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I think that some gay men can definitely have a strange effect on straight men...I've had multiple very similar situations, with the same thing.

I think that you two just have such a strong personal connection that it ends up being confusing for the other person's mind, and they may take it for a "love" kind of attraction.

Unfortunately, it seems to mostly end up with them being straight and you being heart broken:(
 

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sorry havent been able to get online becus of internet problems(still acting up) but thanks a lot everyone
 

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and yea i've basically always had the mind set that it was just a phase =(
 

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I think he might have just been curious. If you're in love with him and cant really move one without telling him, then do so. Tell him how you feel.

If not, and If you don't really want to have a relationship with him, keep that crush to yourself... A friendship like yours is worth 1000 crushes
 

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An Wonderful Exceptional Exception. Keep up the way you see things in life.
 

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I think the best thing I can do is just tell him and ask him if he still feels the same way, it's not healthy to just sit around wondering if and driving myself crazy. But I don't think I'm ready to ask him just yet
 

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Has anything changed since your last post? To answer your topic question we are all exceptions to the "rules". All relationships have complications. Yours feels more complicated but we all have something similar to share. I recently started looking for a guy I never acted on nor to whom I expressed my true feelings. Clearly a regret.

Moving on may or may not be your best option but making your feelings known will not be any more painful than your current angst. Sure it sounds like he may have some conflict in him. That is for him to process. Your need is to process your feelings for him and that is best done by telling him. It may be the "permission" he seeks to express what you suspect he has for you. Even if he does not have that same like mind your friendship should survive it. In the words of Dr. Seuss... Be who you are and say how you feel because those that matter don't mind and those that mind don't matter.
 

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no nothing has changed so far, i still havent told him anything. he stilll wound up on girls like he normally is.recently he asked all of us(our group of friends) if any of us are mad at him for any reason to please tell him....i thought about getting everything off of my chest but i think its best i leave it alone...
 
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