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Being religious or coming out?

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Being religious, I have been told that being gay is WRONG and going to hell. It leaves me with no choice other than repressing my sexual desires, refraining myself from having sexual contacts with other men and being hypocrite by acting straight in the public eye. However, the sexual desires keep popping up. So I end up watching and collecting porn movies.

My brain says: Just come out. It is a piece of cake. You are miserable. You lie to everybody.

My heart says: Repress yourself. You are a role model in your family. Other people expect you to be straight. You also want to get married and have children, right?

Do you experience the same thing?
What should I do?
 

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I have experienced the same thing and I was told the same thing about being homosexual as you were. However, I have to say that I was only lying to myself and as time passed, my feelings for men only got stronger. I went through the same tatics as you with viewing porn, etc. But eventually, I longed for the human body contact. If you want me to be honest, I come from a family who does not accept homosexuality. I was kind of forced into telling my mom my sexual orientation due to the fact that my bf at the time would call her house constantly whenever I visit which made her curious as to what was really going on between us. My mom betrayed my confidentiality and told the whole family which caused me to become outcast for sooo many years. What got me through was the fact that my friends' families had accepted me as an additional member of their families and made me feel secure and confident of my sexuality without having any excuses. Honestly, being outcast from my family caused me a great deal of hurt and pain for quite sometime. Eventually, I have gotten to the point of being accepting of their outcasting and keeping my distance totally. I do have contact on a consistent level from my younger sisters as opposed to the rest of the family. As far as the religious perspective, I don't believe that God hates homosexuality due to the fact that there are far too many people who are homosexuals even back in the biblicial times, and by my reading the Bible daily, I know that God loves us all unconditionally, and if you ever read the Bible, you may have noticed that the chapters within the Bible are written by God's disciples, not God himself. Every chapter is written by a particular disciple who tells the reader what God liked and disliked from their perspective. If you think about it..That is like someone telling you something about a friend of yours, and the information is not coming from your friend. Therefore, I expect you to lean toward the information for your friend as opposed to hearing it from someone you don't know..you follow me???...What I can say to you as far as advice goes, that eventually, you will get to the point where you will have to make a decision based upon your personal happiness and not for the sake of those you are trying to please because you will get frustrated and feel burden down with trying to supress something that you really are deep inside of you...everyone has skeletons in their closets whether they want to admit or not..once you get to that point, you will not care about what others think because you accepting yourself for being the true you will serve as the priority over everything else. And those who may abandon you because of your orientation was not for you in the first place. True love is accepting an individual with unconditional love not because of a label. I also feel that when people walk out of your life, God places new people in who turns out to be far better human beings than those who walked away. Being gay is not something that you can turn or off...when you try to turn it off..the desire will reveal itself again, and again..and again..because its a natural part of you as a person. Good luck...just whatever or whenver you decide its time to press on and accept..let it come from you naturally, not from the talk of others...take all advice that is positive and mold it to your liking ..to encourage..and enlightened you.
 

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I have experienced the same thing and I was told the same thing about being homosexual as you were. However, I have to say that I was only lying to myself and as time passed, my feelings for men only got stronger. I went through the same tatics as you with viewing porn, etc. But eventually, I longed for the human body contact. If you want me to be honest, I come from a family who does not accept homosexuality. I was kind of forced into telling my mom my sexual orientation due to the fact that my bf at the time would call her house constantly whenever I visit which made her curious as to what was really going on between us. My mom betrayed my confidentiality and told the whole family which caused me to become outcast for sooo many years. What got me through was the fact that my friends' families had accepted me as an additional member of their families and made me feel secure and confident of my sexuality without having any excuses. Honestly, being outcast from my family caused me a great deal of hurt and pain for quite sometime. Eventually, I have gotten to the point of being accepting of their outcasting and keeping my distance totally. I do have contact on a consistent level from my younger sisters as opposed to the rest of the family. As far as the religious perspective, I don't believe that God hates homosexuality due to the fact that there are far too many people who are homosexuals even back in the biblicial times, and by my reading the Bible daily, I know that God loves us all unconditionally, and if you ever read the Bible, you may have noticed that the chapters within the Bible are written by God's disciples, not God himself. Every chapter is written by a particular disciple who tells the reader what God liked and disliked from their perspective. If you think about it..That is like someone telling you something about a friend of yours, and the information is not coming from your friend. Therefore, I expect you to lean toward the information for your friend as opposed to hearing it from someone you don't know..you follow me???...What I can say to you as far as advice goes, that eventually, you will get to the point where you will have to make a decision based upon your personal happiness and not for the sake of those you are trying to please because you will get frustrated and feel burden down with trying to supress something that you really are deep inside of you...everyone has skeletons in their closets whether they want to admit or not..once you get to that point, you will not care about what others think because you accepting yourself for being the true you will serve as the priority over everything else. And those who may abandon you because of your orientation was not for you in the first place. True love is accepting an individual with unconditional love not because of a label. I also feel that when people walk out of your life, God places new people in who turns out to be far better human beings than those who walked away. Being gay is not something that you can turn or off...when you try to turn it off..the desire will reveal itself again, and again..and again..because its a natural part of you as a person. Good luck...just whatever or whenver you decide its time to press on and accept..let it come from you naturally, not from the talk of others...take all advice that is positive and mold it to your liking ..to encourage..and enlightened you.

I know i m depressed
 

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i often tell those that why do they believe in a god that teaches you to hate others for who they are--we arent rapists or murderers --but then i also say why believe in a god that even in the bible teaches that he told one man to gather two of each lifeform build a ark put them on it as the floods are a coming--killing everyone else instead of those on the ark--then why believe in a god that supposedly teaches to love thy father and all but yet he watched his only son die on the cross hmm sounds like a father i want--and lets not forget the millions that been killed in the name of god over the last 2000 years--

christianity which is the religion i am around--is a religion that borrowed from other religions--and then made it their own and gave it a name-- which instead of being called the holy bible it should be called hypocrits and biggots volume 1---


i think its sad that people need this to know right from wrong and so on--more than likely jesus had he share of demons as well--maybe thats why god turned his back on him hmmm i can rant about this shit all night and all day--i am gay ifi burn in hell then i guess i will have alot of friends there including my biggoted uncle who puts others down for their lifestyle but yet he is a closeted alcoholic go figure i guess



be happy and if all else fails before you die ask god for forgiveness supposedly he hears you but over the years my words seem to have fallen on deaf ears and my belief in him died at the age of 14 dont need him then dont need him now
 

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i often tell those that why do they believe in a god that teaches you to hate others for who they are--we arent rapists or murderers --but then i also say why believe in a god that even in the bible teaches that he told one man to gather two of each lifeform build a ark put them on it as the floods are a coming--killing everyone else instead of those on the ark--then why believe in a god that supposedly teaches to love thy father and all but yet he watched his only son die on the cross hmm sounds like a father i want--and lets not forget the millions that been killed in the name of god over the last 2000 years--

christianity which is the religion i am around--is a religion that borrowed from other religions--and then made it their own and gave it a name-- which instead of being called the holy bible it should be called hypocrits and biggots volume 1---




i think its sad that people need this to know right from wrong and so on--more than likely jesus had he share of demons as well--maybe thats why god turned his back on him hmmm i can rant about this shit all night and all day--i am gay ifi burn in hell then i guess i will have alot of friends there including my biggoted uncle who puts others down for their lifestyle but yet he is a closeted alcoholic go figure i guess



be happy and if all else fails before you die ask god for forgiveness supposedly he hears you but over the years my words seem to have fallen on deaf ears and my belief in him died at the age of 14 dont need him then dont need him now

I think you are right. Religion should make the believers happier not more miserable
 

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and besides hell accepts me for who i am no rules--anyone ever watch south park the movie--where kenny dies again and it shows him going to heaven the numbers are low then all of a sudden he is falling and the number of people going to hell is going fast--meaning heaven accepts very few hell accepts all--that is if they existed
 

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This has been posted on GH elsewhere but for those who missed it...

 

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and besides hell accepts me for who i am no rules--anyone ever watch south park the movie--where kenny dies again and it shows him going to heaven the numbers are low then all of a sudden he is falling and the number of people going to hell is going fast--meaning heaven accepts very few hell accepts all--that is if they existed

Actually, the bible/religion does not make people feel miserable, its people who puts jurisdiction and prejudice as well as restrictions upon religion. Its people who incorporate their own personal beliefs within the biblical sense and accept them as being what is written in the Bible...just my opinion.:no:
 

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Actually, the bible/religion does not make people feel miserable, its people who puts jurisdiction and prejudice as well as restrictions upon religion. Its people who incorporate their own personal beliefs within the biblical sense and accept them as being what is written in the Bible...just my opinion.:no:

Exactly my point... or at least the point of the clip.
 

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and thats what makes religion not important in my life--theres this religious show that comes on daily at 4 oclock in the morning when i get home from work and these people talk but nothings coming out of their mouths its funny for most part but retarded completely
 

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Hi Rebornme40. I completely understand the situation you are in. I grew up always attracted to guys, but also grew up in a Christian family and lifestyle. I think that my parents, particularly my mum, would be quite accepting, but I didn't accept it myself, I saw it as sinful so prayed and prayed for change. Funnily enough I never did.
I started training to work for the church, and I now do that. I married a lovely woman, because that is what you do right, and I thought all the gay feelings would go away. They didn't. I have come to accept who I am, and if I could turn the clock back to before I got married I would do things differently. The only person in real life I have come out to is my wife.
So I am probably not the person to tell you how to come out, but I want to say that it is a terribly difficult thing to live a lie the whole of your life. Be who God made you to be. As David says, "I am fearfully and wonderfully made."
I want to say that I don't believe that the Bible actually teaches that God hates homosexuals. Rather in the few places that homosexuality is talked about, it is more abusive homosexual relationships which are being condemned, and I think we would all agree that they are wrong. So firstly be sure that God truly loves you, just as much as he loves anyone else.
 

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Hi Rebornme40. I completely understand the situation you are in. I grew up always attracted to guys, but also grew up in a Christian family and lifestyle. I think that my parents, particularly my mum, would be quite accepting, but I didn't accept it myself, I saw it as sinful so prayed and prayed for change. Funnily enough I never did.
I started training to work for the church, and I now do that. I married a lovely woman, because that is what you do right, and I thought all the gay feelings would go away. They didn't. I have come to accept who I am, and if I could turn the clock back to before I got married I would do things differently. The only person in real life I have come out to is my wife.
So I am probably not the person to tell you how to come out, but I want to say that it is a terribly difficult thing to live a lie the whole of your life. Be who God made you to be. As David says, "I am fearfully and wonderfully made."
I want to say that I don't believe that the Bible actually teaches that God hates homosexuals. Rather in the few places that homosexuality is talked about, it is more abusive homosexual relationships which are being condemned, and I think we would all agree that they are wrong. So firstly be sure that God truly loves you, just as much as he loves anyone else.

Hi Richym.
Thank you for the story.
I just want to know. If you dont mind my asking, Do you think i can perform sexually with a woman, from your experience?
Why i asked this question? Sometimes i want to get married?
Is it a viable option?
 

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Hey Rebornme40,
I guess that really depends on the person. I know some gay guys who can quite happily switch to be with women. I have to admit that I have struggled. I get nervouse just at the thought of it. I sort of wonder if it is the difference between a top and a bottom. My friend who is now happily with a woman (and I am pretty sure sexually active) is a top. Where as I would identify myself as a bottom (while I haven't been with a man, that is the position in fantasies that most connects with me). It is hard to say what will happen for you. It could be a viable option mate, but deep down it will be always like you are keeping a major part of your life from your wife. I enventually came out to my wife after she found some stuff on my computer. She knows I like guys, but still sort of ignores it is seems.
I guess I would encourage you to just take time to think about who you are, who God made you to be. There was a topic like this a few months ago, and on it I put a link to a talk by Gene Robbinson (A gay episcoplaian minister) talking about what the Bible really says about homosexuality. If you are interested, and can't find it back in the forum, let me know and I will give you the link.
Take care, and may God richly bless you.
Richym.
 

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Hey Rebornme40,
I guess that really depends on the person. I know some gay guys who can quite happily switch to be with women. I have to admit that I have struggled. I get nervouse just at the thought of it. I sort of wonder if it is the difference between a top and a bottom. My friend who is now happily with a woman (and I am pretty sure sexually active) is a top. Where as I would identify myself as a bottom (while I haven't been with a man, that is the position in fantasies that most connects with me). It is hard to say what will happen for you. It could be a viable option mate, but deep down it will be always like you are keeping a major part of your life from your wife. I enventually came out to my wife after she found some stuff on my computer. She knows I like guys, but still sort of ignores it is seems.
I guess I would encourage you to just take time to think about who you are, who God made you to be. There was a topic like this a few months ago, and on it I put a link to a talk by Gene Robbinson (A gay episcoplaian minister) talking about what the Bible really says about homosexuality. If you are interested, and can't find it back in the forum, let me know and I will give you the link.
Take care, and may God richly bless you.
Richym.


Dear richym
I am more of a TOP. For now, I am much more interested in talking to you and I can learn from your experience firsthand, if you don't mind.
 

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Hey Rebornme40,
That's fine mate. I'm always willing to share with people if that will help them out.
 

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Hey Rebornme40,
That's fine mate. I'm always willing to share with people if that will help them out.

Thanks Mate.
I can never have shared stories like this in my real life. When it comes to gay things, i always withdraw myself from the rest of the world: That means I feel and I think I am on my own in this world although I know there are a lot of people around me who sincerely love me. Still I feel I am alone.

Lucky me that you shared your stories. Therefore, I can feel that there is ONE other person out there who experienced tha same thing as I do.

I want to ask more private questions to you. I am just wishing that I can chat with you via yahoo messenger.
 

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Hey rebornme40,
You are definately not alone. But it is such a difficult position, because it seems like in your real life there is no one you can talk to, well at least that is how I have often felt. But be assured that you are not alone, there are others who struggle with the same things.
Mate if you want to try and send me a private message here with your yahoo messenger sign in name, then I will add you and we can hopefully chat there.
 

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dear richym
I actually dont know how to sign in. my ym id is rebornme40 what is yours
 

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I think you should drop the religion bit. I think you'll feel better about yourself. This man Christopher Hitchens is one of my heroes. You should watch/listen to this 15 min video showcasing his comments and opinions on religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQorzOS-F6w

 
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I'm dealing with the same question myself. So this thread is quite interesting. Thanks to all involved.
 
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