Feminism question

[aman_dig]

Hey guys,
I was wondering on what are this community' thoughts
about feminism, feminist and pseudo-feminist / feminazi.

Also are you guys considered oneself as feminist or egalitarian or
misogynist or simply couldn't care less?

Honestly I have met one misogynist through out my whole life
who identified himself as one but not due to he's not believe in westernize equal right (e.g a man walking in front of a woman is considered sexist to some and whatnot)but that kind which physically and mentally hurt other people like bat shit crazy which no where near the one i came across online be it self identified or alleged by others.

I no longer associated myself with him though not because he's depraved but I just simply move on with my life.

 

[slimjim]

Well I wonder what the girls here think about this subject.......

 

[Shelter]

I'm no one of all these types you have quoted here.

Never ever I could be a misogynist. Why should anybody be such a type? I love women and girls - sure I don't love them as sex-partners but as good friends. And let me say without women the world would be very, very cold!

Feminism is another thing. Thats what I hate! As well as every "-isms".

 

[gb2000ie]

What do we think about 'feminazi'? That's a very loaded way of asking about feminism!

I don't think all feminists are feminazis, and I do think we still have a long way to go before we see actual equality. In the west we've moved from hard misogyny to soft misogyny.

Women are allowed to do everything, they're just discouraged from it from an early age. I COULD have studied home economics in school, but I never even made a decision whether to or not because it was never offered. Similarly, the girls could have done engineering, but they never decided whether to do that or not, it was just never offered to them. As young impressionable kids we were simply and subtly shepherded into what our teachers through we should want to do based on our gender.

Given that I'm now running a household, I would have benefited a LOT from home ec!

That's just one example of soft sexism in action. We're not prevented from considering all options, we're just biased towards the stereotypes from the moment we pop out of the womb and our genitalia start determining the colours and toys we're encouraged to like.

As long as we believe that men should be the ones making the money and women the ones looking after the house, we have a sexism problem.

 

[aman_dig]

gb2000ie
I hope you don't misinterpret my question
because I'm not only asking about pseudo-feminist but also genuine feminist , egalitarian or any other groups if it is exist.
not to give them bad rep but merely asking out of curiosity

we're just biased towards the stereotypes from the moment we pop out of the womb and our genitalia start determining the colours and toys we're encouraged to like.

And from your quote.
Don't get me wrong but my parents always buy girly stuffs for me when I was in primary school and not by my choice mind you, sure I got made fun but later in my life I ask them to buy stuff that fit to my gender not because I was made fun of but honestly I am more comfortable with it.
Same thing happen to my older sister where my parents dress her up more masculine than feminine but that kinda stuck with her until now.
My point is, even though your elders dress you up accordingly or how society expect to look toward you in a certain way, shouldn't you ask yourself hard and decide by yourself that what fit you the most.

 

[dargelos]

The word "feminazi" needs to kept within quote marks, as well as being ugly and offensive it is also illogical. The Nazi form of totalitarianism celebrated only aggressive male values, it had no place for the caring nurturing values of women. The term was promoted by America's most unpleasant radio presenter, who shares his name with a popular brand of poppers, to use as an insult for strident feminists. Misogynist isnt the right word for him, he only loves himself.
Strident feminists have been called attention seekers. Yes they are, in political campaign work attention seeking is a necessary part of the job, a job which has involved support for gay men as well as lesbians. They have done more for us than we have done for them. Allow them respect for that.

There is at least one -ism that I know you do all like, that's jism.

 

[Shelter]

Yes Dargelos "jism" is indeed the one and only "-ism" I love.

And what you have said here about strident feminists I will sign not completely. Many feminists ("strident feminists") today try to take over the role of the men. And I think it is very unfair to suppress women from places for the benefit of men but as well conversely. But what I can see here in the moment is, that there is coming up a very strong movement from "strident feminists" to suppress men. And that will be a fly in the ointment! One supressing is changing to another supressing.
So there will be for me the question: why we cannot work together each on that place where he/she is versed to. Why there must be quotas? You are contending for a job for instance and a woman as well for the same job. And because the boss is forced to accomplish the quotas he has to take the woman, although her accomplishments are poorer than those of the male applicant. If the boss wouldn't do that he will get problems with the feminists.

So that's the reason why I stand to my opinion when I say: I hate such "strident feminists". Normally women who will fight for their rights will have my absolute support - but never ever these "feminists"

 

[aman_dig]

Dargelos I do enjoy my fair share of jism :rofl:

 

[gorgik9]

On this question, I'm in total agreement with dargelos and gb2000ie!!!

 

[Shelter]

Not completely - sorry that I'm contradicting. Feminism ... hm OK, but amazonian, martial feminists .... brrrr no!

 

[dargelos]

Perhaps you have in mind the newspaper cartoon image of the woman wearing army boots with dungerees who swears like a soldier and smokes like a chimney. Such women do exist, I've met one or two, but they no more represent all politicaly active women than the mincing pederast, who also does exist, represents all gay men.

 

[Shelter]

- - - Perhaps

 

[gorgik9]

In this thread, there's a strong tendency to presume, that "feminism" must be some kind of identity.

It mustn't. Feminism should be looked upon as a practical politics.

So sayeth bell hooks and, hence, so sayeth myself...

I give you a very looong YouTube-clip (almost 2 hours) of a recent public conversation with bell hooks, Samuel R Delany, M. Lamar and Marci Blackman. You just won't get a group of more brilliant black sex radical intellectuals:thumbs up:

 

[tonka]

We should all remember that woman's rights are part of a larger movement. Gay rights, minority rights. Everyone's rights.

Of course there are people on the fringes. They provoke and annoy. But as the rights get realized, the fringe gets marginalized.

That has certainly happened with feminism in America. It's much less important now.

In coming years, we will see that with gay rights as well. Young gay people will simply assume that they are equal in every way. They will see the activists as irrelevant to their lives.

 

[gorgik9]

Well I don't know weather I should consider your text much too dystopic, or much too utopic... Another question to consider is if it's just too american...

 

[dargelos]

There's a specific word for American optimism, which I can't remember. Something to do with the belief that if a great nation has the talents and resources to solve a problem then that problem will be solved.
It's an attractive idea, which the Republican Party are good at preventing becoming reality.

 

[gb2000ie]

There's a specific word for American optimism, which I can't remember. Something to do with the belief that if a great nation has the talents and resources to solve a problem then that problem will be solved.
It's an attractive idea, which the Republican Party are good at preventing becoming reality.

I think you're referring to either 'American Exceptionalism', or worse still, 'Manifest Destiny', both are poorly veiled racism and the cause of nothing but harm in the world. "we're better than everyone else" is a piss-poor attitude to swagger around with. IMO it's a sign of immaturity as a nation.

B.

 

[dargelos]

When it comes to manifest destiny the British Empire was a worse offender and we didnt have the excuse of immaturity. I'm thinking more in the direction of technological determinism but that's not the right one either.

 

[tonka]

Optimism is more common in America, but it's not an American trait.

I think it's more common in America because we've had it pretty good. Abundant resources and oceans on either side that has kept war off our soil for a long time.
Other countries have had a much tougher go of it.

In this case, I think my optimism is justified. Progress in human rights has made great progress. Not everywhere, but in much of the world.

 

[Whisper]

Hey guys,
I was wondering on what are this community' thoughts
about feminism, feminist and pseudo-feminist / feminazi.

Also are you guys considered oneself as feminist or egalitarian or
misogynist or simply couldn't care less?

Honestly I have met one misogynist through out my whole life
who identified himself as one but not due to he's not believe in westernize equal right (e.g a man walking in front of a woman is considered sexist to some and whatnot)but that kind which physically and mentally hurt other people like bat shit crazy which no where near the one i came across online be it self identified or alleged by others.

I no longer associated myself with him though not because he's depraved but I just simply move on with my life.

Alright, let's see where should I start... Well, I am a woman and yes, I am a feminist. The word feminist and feminism have so many negative things and misunderstandings with them nowadays and that's why I'd like to put these here:

The word "feminism":

Dictionary. com
the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.

Wikipedia:
Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women.This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.

And I'm quite frustrated for trying to find proper facts from the Internet btw...

So, the key word for feminism is equal and equality. There are still so many areas in life, situations, attitudes, etc where women are considered as "lesser beings" just because of their gender and we don't even realize those because we see it as normal. Think about sex for example: what is the first thought that comes to your mind when you see a woman who has had lots of sexual experiences and maybe a different guy every weekend? Or how about the words that you use when calling someone being scared or coward? Think about how many negative things has feminine name for it.

Feminism doesn't mean women should be above men (although some took it too far and still do, way too far), and yes, I understand that women and men are different, but does that mean the women should be for example paid less for the same work than men? Also women around ages 20-40 are considered "soon to get pregnant anyway" so they rather hire men (which brings me to this: why the men are not given more chances for spend time taking care of the child, as paternity leave?).

There are examples after examples, but before I get totally side-tracked, here's my answer to feminism:

Feminism is a good thing when it is what is was supposed to be in the first place: for equality. Women and men should be treated as equal (and yes, I do pay at the restaurant, I open the door for my boyfriend when needed etc and he does the same to me )