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Growing Up in the 60's?

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Having grown up in the 60's I would like to know if today is actually like all of the movies and the world seems to portray gay life in the world today? I still have not come out to anyone and will probably never. Is this wrong of me as I am not unhappy just wondering what others feel. To me I feel that being out in the open today is different from when I grew up.
 

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Having lived long enough, it is fascinating to have a tangible, cognizant awareness of the passage of time, of history. One day slides so comfortably into the next it is hard to be aware of the change that is transforming everything, including 'us.' Nothing lasts for long. Everything is changing. There is nothing permanent and the world continues to be transformed.

There is an entire generation growing up for whom 9-11 is something to be read in a history book. No more real than the first space flight. Very soon an entire generation who will look at you ponderously, wondering "Michael Jackson, who???"

Our world view now is transformed by internet porn, gay marriage, the rise and fall(?) of urban gay communities. How hard it must be for today's generation to imagine a time when it was illegal for 2 men to even dance with each other in a public place. When porn was at best, a cheaply printed pamphlet with nothing more salacious than a drawing of a dick or a photo of a man in a loin cloth. A time where the Mafia ruled and controlled all outlaying things to social norms, including gay life. When risking sex meant risking everything.

It started to change with the beat era of the 50's. (Not that I witnessed that.) But I did get a feel of the old era and old guard. Actually, it may be more accurate that it started to change just before the second world war... then got beat back by the war.... then surged by the changes brought on by soldiers returning from the war. I witnessed it fall during the social upheaval of the 60's. There is SO much that we take for granted now that was inconceivable back then. Most people owned a black and white TV. There was only one phone company. The notion of a Black President in the 1960's? I remember letting out an involuntary 'gasp' as a young boy the first time I saw a black policeman. That was so unheard of. Gay Marriage??? Just the suspicion of being an 'invert' was risking loss of employment, if not the risk of "medical" intervention or jail time.

This is why I wish and hope men in the porn industry are writing down our passing history. Much will be lost to future generations. Paddy O Brian will fade from consciousness as surely as Casey Donovan. And there is no guarantee the future will be nothing but gains. We should know our history.

It is also interesting how powerful the old state of affairs still influence people despite the change. I know more than a few mature men a generation before me who even at this late age are as 'in the closet' now as then. A humorous example, a few years back a friend who happened to work as a College Administrator in our town was going with me to a gay party. We parked a block away from the party house. As soon as we were out of the car he whipped out a Halloween mask and put it on. It was one along the line of a Zorro mask.... and I KNEW he wore it just in case someone might recognize him going to a "gay" party. -It was laughable. And sad.
For one, EVERYONE in town knew he was gay. A juicy secret like that was not likely to be kept quiet in straight circles around the College. And on top of it, his very identifiable full figure would hardly be 'disguised' by a Zorro mask. It was as goofy as Clark Kent's glasses. -But that was the world then. And he never really out grew it.

I understand Turkeyman that you started this thread by mentioning being happy and content in your life. I understand your comfort, but never abandon the idea of coming out. Putting a human face to homosexuality had done us a world of good. And the good work is not yet done. If not for yourself, then to help make a small mark in the history and evolution of life.

That ALL is going to change is a given. The only unanswered question is 'to what?' We have power to influence that unknown in ways large and small.
 

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The 60s and 70s are mythologised, largely by the media, and I have a suspicion, largely by people who hadn't been born then.
How 'we' behaved then is not how I remember the decades now.
 

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Don’t forget that practically a whole generation of gays that came of age in the sixties was virtually wiped out by AIDS. You read about them and of their testimony only in gay literature such as those written by Holleran, Edmund White, etc.
 

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The 60's were not very gay friendly. The spirit of the decade laid the groundwork, but the civil rights movement were not about our rights. The life of Bayard Rustin is the famous example. (If you don't know who he's is, Google him. He should be on Mount Rushmore!).
The love/ peace/ hippy movement was dominated by strait men. Women and gays were very much secondary.
It was the seventies when things really opened up. For woman it was about serious things. Legal right, political rights, equal rights.
The world wasn't ready for that with gay people, but there was enough of an opening for a decade of gay hedonism. I graduated high school in 1971, and we had a blast. A level of freedom unimaginable just a few years before. None of us were "out" as you understand it today. It was a version of don't ask, don't tell.
It's been a roller coaster in the decades since, but I still look back on the 70's as a golden time.
 

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Is the gaylife today as it is portrayed i media and TV? Brolly depends on where you live. In big cities there brobably is some sort of stereotypical TV kinda scene, but I bet even those has bit more variety and complexity to them than media shows. Many gays are just like straight male, and there for it's easy to make the assumption that all the gays are those colourfull stereotypical kind because they are the only one you instantly see on the streets and identify that they are gay. And atleast in here gays are quite accepted. I've never had any broblems with my sexuality with any of my friends.
 

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I’ve always assumed that approximately 80% of guys who do it with guys (either all the time or once in a while) are not really “out,” except perhaps to a few. I base this assumption on the traffic I used to see in cruise spots like bathrooms and parks (in the old days) as well as online (“gay” chatrooms, Craigslist, etc.).

Try not to crucify me, but I think approximately 80% of guys who do it with guys find it quite easy to navigate in the str8 world and are absolutely comfortable living the so-called “double life.”

I’ve also always felt that it is str8 women who enforce heterosexism more than men. This is because all men understand male sexuality better than women do—and vice versa, of course. When men express homophobia or hate, they often do it to keep up appearances with their mothers, sisters and wives. Young mothers have always seemed especially anti-gay—like very protective mama bears. They want to believe they’ve given birth to young sons who will grow up to be grandchild-producing str8s, not beastie boy cocksuckers. LOL. Those sons who grow up and discover they are definitely gay (whether “out” or “closeted”) often force their moms to revise their former prejudices.

Perhaps I feel this way because my dad was obviously more accepting of my sexuality than my mother. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if my dad experienced homosexuality firsthand way back when. It's more difficult for women to survive in a "man's world," so gayness can really frighten some str8 women. It can make them feel left out, threatened and even more helpless.

I definitely fear that one of the first casualties of war, other than truth, would likely be gay rights.
 
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Hi Dendood and hi JJJack both of you have written magnificent treatises about gay-life. You will not be angry but I have copied your texts for myself because they are really exceptional! And you are so right with it. Gay-life has been horrible in the 50ths and 60ths it startet a little bit better in the 80ths and 90ths until today. But as well gay-men are until today a little bit like outcasts. Well I have been outed to my parents and siblings and to some really very good friends. I think too that I have a good life with my BF and with my/our gay friends. But mostly we are going into gay-bars and so I think we are a little bit like in a ghetto. Too I wouldn't go round and tell everyone that I'm gay - but on the other hand I don't tell everyone that I'm catholic of protestant or jewish or whatever. And gay-bashing so very often happened until in our time now. What is so criminal with us? Why they hate us? Never I would ask a hetero to fuck me. I'll respect his sexual mindset - why he can't do that with my mindset?
 

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Having grown up in the 60's I would like to know if today is actually like all of the movies and the world seems to portray gay life in the world today? I still have not come out to anyone and will probably never. Is this wrong of me as I am not unhappy just wondering what others feel. To me I feel that being out in the open today is different from when I grew up.

I'm another child of the 50s & 60s.

In answer to your first question of the difference between reality and portrayals of fictional characters in all forms of media: NO. There are some similarities of course but characters are stereotyped and dramatized for entertainment. If people don't realize that then they've lost touch.

As for your second question about 'coming out' I believe it's up to you. I don't know your personal situation but if it's at all like my 'coming out' you would probably not be telling your parents or siblings something they didn't already suspect or know. When I came out at 18 the only person in my life who was surprised by it was me. I thought my secret revealed would stir up some controversy but as it happened I was the one who was surprised. My family all smiled and laughed and hugged me and my mother and father held me and kissed me an told me they had always known. That is probably the case for most young gay men today who think their families will reject them. Many families will reject them or worse but I hope many will love them even more. If you're not sure about coming out then don't. They probably already know anyway :)

As for other earlier posts in this thread I can relate with each point. Most of us have similar experiences with rejection, judgments, acceptance and love. I can understand how frightening coming out can seem. That is as true today as any time in the past. Maybe in the very distant future that will not be the case. Just don't expect that for like maybe 10,000 years, lol.

Sniffit ;)
 
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I'm another child of the 50s & 60s.

Maybe in the very distant future that will not be the case. Just don't expect that for like maybe 10,000 years, lol.

Sniffit ;)

Oh my dear Sniffit don't be so negative - be confident for the future!!! (I know you have joked!) p:p
 

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Well I may have been a little pessimistic for dramatic effect when I said 10,000... perhaps 5,000 years would be long enough, hehe ;)
 

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Finally I'll see that you have lost your negative and pessimistic vibe and so really now you have come back to the truth with your assessment! -:)
 

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10,000 years time? If you imagine the human race still being here in 10k years I'd call that being optimistic, especialy after thinking about the movie 'On the Beach' in another thread. If the world is lucky enough to be still here by then I imagine no gay or straight, no sexuality at all, everything will be done by machines, including sex. I won't be around then to find out, all I can be sure of is that this is the only life I will ever have so don't waste it.
 

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all I can be sure of is that this is the only life I will ever have so don't waste it.

This will be a very good summary! Yes Dargelos you are right as ever - let us live our life now and today. Our lifetime will be short - so let us enjoy the time we have! And perhaps we can tell this, our wish, to the responsible politicans! Will they hear, will they have an open ear for our wish?
 
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