Is gay for pay really possible???

[jyotib]

We hear a lot about the "GAY FOR PAY" thing among the actors in the gay porn industry. I really do wonder, is it really possible for a so called straight man to be "gay for pay"!! We all know about the pain that is involved in the sex (anal sex) which even makes many gay couple stay away from the anal intercourse. So how come a hetero-sexual man who enjoys fucking a woman's vagina takes a man's penis inside his butt-hole and moans? I really don't understand the concept.
I am quite aware of the fact that all the sex scenes from the big shot studios that we see are not shot at one go. Most of the scenes are shot in parts and by careful & obviously skillful editing we get the end result. But still the scenes of penetration are real even if the moaning part is absolute bullshit.
Psychologically speaking, a man and woman never thinks alike. The same way, a hetero-sexual man will never think like a homo-sexual or a bi-sexual man. The process of thinking, the way of execution and most importantly the level of accepting a thing varies to a huge extent.
I have seen hetero-sexual men all around me. I have seen their apathy towards people like us who are homosexuals. The slurs they pass on to us. The way they look at us. I have seen their hatred and abomination for us and I know there is no exception to this. I have seen hetero-sexual people who are sympathetic towards us but they will never go for sex with us in the real world.
A straight man might fuck a gay guy for money or for showing his manly fucking prowess or maybe to punish us for being gay which is for them absolutely "unnatural". I have personally experienced the last thing where two guys fucked me mercilessly for being gay and being unapologetic about it. But it's really difficult for me to imagine that a so called straight man getting fucked by another man only for money. Being a man I know about a man's pride. So it's almost impossible to fuck a straight man only for money even if he is jobless.
So, my inference is that "gay for pay" is absolutely rubbish. It's simply a hoax and a myth created by the big-shot porn film makers to sell their products to the gay people who think that a straight man is more masculine than a gay man. This "gay for pay" thing is mostly prevalent in the European porn industry and even in the U.S. Those guys who call themselves straight and gets laid by another man are either gay or bi-sexual or may be they are in the constant process of denial of the fact of them being gay or bi-sexual. All those porn studios are en-cashing the pathetic ignorance of those "gay for pay" guys and fooling us with the made up straight guy stories.
What do you Think!!!!

 

[ihno]

Of course it's possible.

Prostitution is most likely as old as mankind itself. And prostitution is a thing, where the attraction is normally only one-way (with exceptions).

And the phenomenon of people having sex with people they are not attracted to is equally as old. Women were married to men they didn't like or gays/lesbians married partner of the other sex throughout history and produced offspring nonetheless.

Doing porn is a job, nothing more. A rather unusual one I admit. Don't forget: Even if you have sex with a partner you find attractive the setting is very unsexy: having a camera poked at you, getting orders by a director, having to perform under hot lightning. That's all not very pleasent. There might be a few who like it but generally the actors do it for the money and only for the money.

To perform with a good lasting erection was always a problem for male actors, unimportant if they were gay or not or if it's straight or gay porn. Since there is Viagra it's easier to pretend to be aroused by something you honestly don't find appealing.

Yet still there can be gay porn actors who pretend to be straight out of several reasons.

 

[jyotib]

Of course it's possible.

Prostitution is most likely as old as mankind itself. And prostitution is a thing, where the attraction is normally only one-way (with exceptions).

And the phenomenon of people having sex with people they are not attracted to is equally as old. Women were married to men they didn't like or gays/lesbians married partner of the other sex throughout history and produced offspring nonetheless.

Doing porn is a job, nothing more. A rather unusual one I admit. Don't forget: Even if you have sex with a partner you find attractive the setting is very unsexy: having a camera poked at you, getting orders by a director, having to perform under hot lightning. That's all not very pleasent. There might be a few who like it but generally the actors do it for the money and only for the money.

To perform with a good lasting erection was always a problem for male actors, unimportant if they were gay or not or if it's straight or gay porn. Since there is Viagra it's easier to pretend to be aroused by something you honestly don't find appealing.

Yet still there can be gay porn actors who pretend to be straight out of several reasons.

First of all thanks for your view and comment.
I totally agree with you that acting in pornographic movies is just a job like any other where your likes and dislikes don't matter. Whether you like it or don't like it, if it's the job that you have chosen then you have to fulfill it's demands. I do agree that prostitution is most likely as old as mankind itself and it's a thing, where the attraction is normally only one-way. I even agree that having a camera poked at you, getting orders by a director, having to perform under hot lightning; that's not at all pleasant. Of course there might be a few who like it but most of the actors do it for the money and only for the money.
But can we really equate pornography with prostitution! Many people have many notions about prostitution. But one thing is very clear that if you sell your body for entertaining others in exchange for money - then it is prostitution. Then the movie actors or the stage actors are all prostitutes. People might argue that generally movie actors don't take off their clothes so often and hump like bunnies, that's why they can't be called prostitutes (as we are generally referring to the porn actors to be), instead they should be called artists. But then who & what draws the line between the artists and the prostitutes! Many movies are made by highly acclaimed directors and starred by divas both male & female where there is ample sex & nudity and those movies are honored with grand prizes. We don't call those stars to be prostitutes, instead we honor them, idolize them as great artists. Then why shall we equate the porn actors with the prostitutes. Although it is a fact that most of the porn actors work as escorts and strippers and go-go dancers. But still I really wonder that can a straight man be forced to do gay stuff on screen only for money if he really doesn't like the sex part of it! If he really likes the sex then that makes him no-more straight.
Pretending something which you are not is extremely difficult. A gay man pretending to be straight - happens due to various reasons. A gay man getting married to a woman and procreating can be very understood because of the fear of being ostracized by the society if they come out. But a straight man doing gay stuff only and only money is really hard to believe because of psychological reasons. A straight man has the option of being a gigolo or work in the straight porns if he is dire need of money and he has no other option for work.
You know many men think they are straight but do stuffs which are not at all straight by nature. Like for example, I went to a all boys boarding school where there was no chance of interaction with women. Many of my school mates who are happily married to women now used to grope each other playfully and used to find pleasure in it. Many used to jerk each other off in the dorm at night. I was too shy at that time to participate in their masturbatory orgies. Later in college I realized that I am gay. I like a man to have sex with. At that time those night scenes from my school days used to haunt me and I used to wonder that if those boys are gay or not. They turned out to be straight while I the shy guy is gay. Then I decided to pursue psychology. It opened before me the weird world of human mind and it's actions.
By pursuing psychology, I came to know that all human being are bi-sexual and polygamist by nature. Some people show the signs properly and some don't. Most of the gay and bi-sexual people are quite open & sure about their sexual preferences (be they are closeted or they have come out) while the straight people are almost rigid and sometimes confused about their sexuality. Even if they like someone of their own gender they will never accept it because the idea freak them out. They are afraid of their own-selves. Deep down inside they also know that they like the people of their own sex but never admit that out of various reasons. The so-called bi-curious people who call themselves straight but are into experimenting with the sex part are a bunch of people who are a little better in the department of their acceptance of being bi-sexual than the out right straight people.
The homosexuals prefer to have sex with the people of their own sex but at times they also love the company of the people from other sex. That doesn't freak them out like the straights because the society treats them as freaks of nature. It's absolutely psychological.
That's it. Thanks again

 

[gb2000ie]

It's called 'acting'!

 

[ihno]

Porn and prostitution may differ in some aspects but they equal in others. I concentrate on one equaling aspect: perfoming an "act" that one would not do without a monetary reward. And yes, under that conditions I can compare it to the work of a musician etc., at least partially.

I read it very often that people have some kind of romantic ideas about porn: "getting paid for having sex with hot looking guys - it must be wonderful." It is not. It is a job and it is a very tough business. Straight porn doesn't pay as good as gay porn. That's why 22year old muscleboys don't go into straight porn but gay porn. Most professional actors do both btw.

Anyway, the idea that having an erection is a sign of "real arousal" is a misconception. I can be but not necessarily.

One has to perform even if you don't like your partner or even find him disgusting. And if that doesn't work you take the blue pill. Your personal mood is of no concern at all.

Since you speak of psychology.. Psychologists work with probabilites.
You ask the question: "Is gay for pay really possible???" That question leads to an absolute answer (that doesn't allow variations).

I suggest to transform the question for yourself into "are there straight man who can have sex with other men before a camera?"

And the answer to that is: yes, there are such men. Of course there are also men that could not do it like you describe. But they don't interest here because they don't do gay porn and they are only a part of all men. Maybe a big part, maybe a small part... that is a different question. Plus: sexual orientation is an intellectual human concept that only works "unsharply" in a vague way.

It is possible without question is the general answer. It may be totally different if you look at a single case.

Of course porn producers modify the reality a lot because they create fantasies. When Reese Rideout said he was straight I didn't believe him either but I would not generalize that.

 

[gb2000ie]

Firstly - I want to totally agree with ihno - very good points very well expressed.

Secondly, I just want to expand on his arguments a little to emphasise the fact that there is a massive selection bias in porn. Porn actors are not a random sampling of the adult population - they are a selected subset of the subset of people interested in, or prepared to do, porn. Only a small percentage of men every apply to do porn, and of those that do, only some are selected by the studios, and even of those that are selected, not all pass the screen tests - just because you are happy to apply to do porn does not mean that you'll actually be able to do it when the lights are on, the cameras are rolling, and there are people standing all around.

Men in porn are not average men, so arguments about average or typical men are utterly irrelevant.

B.

 

[W!nston]

I can't answer for all men Gay or Str8. I can only answer for one man, myself.

I would find it very difficult to 'perform' in a Gay porn production with a room full of people moving around, watching, giving directions or with all the bright, hot lights making me even more self-conscious, lol.

I would find it impossible to 'perform' in a Str8 porn production regardless of the above mentioned conditions. My dick just would not cooperate. I'm not wired that way at all. If I see a 'pussy' my little man runs and hides! That's why any porn with even a hint of titties or vaginas is a no go for me. I can't even watch tranny, shemale or ladyboy porn. It just turns me off to the 25th power. It ain't happenin'. Even if I took Viagra and my dick was hard as diamonds my mind would shut down and I would probably vomit all over the place.

No pussy! Yuck!

BUT, I would love to have the job of 'auditioning' my choice of would-be Gay porn models ... just the ones I want to suck and fuck, hehe. I'm a bad person, I know, but I'm honest

My point is that some Gay guys might be able to muster up the will to fuck a woman for money and some Str8 guys might be able to muster up the will to fuck a man for money.

I am really glad they do... :devil:

 

[Shelter]

Sniffit - a hilarious post. You have spoken from the bottom of my heart! Every word is sooooo true!

 

[absalom]

In the past there were a lot of gay men who married, got kids and later in life decided to come out of the closet. In some parts of Western society gay men still marry, get kids and stay in the closet their entire life. Especially in conservative religious circles in Western society being gay is still a big taboo that forces gays to lead an unhappy straight life.

Just like gay guys can have sex with women under certain cirstances, so straight guys can have sex with another man under certain cirstances. Performing a gay sex act in itself does not make them gay. It is a safe bet that the majority of gay for pay performers do gay porn for financial reasons. They need money for whatever reason and the gay porn industry provides that. They could work at a hamburger chain but choose gay porn. Why? Because from the outside it looks like easy money.

Many times I read comments on gay porn blogs saying things like "he sucks dick so he can't be straight". Well, would you call someone who only performs gay sex acts in front of a camera and not in his own private life gay? Many models from S€an Cody and B€lAmi who stop with gay porn never ever will have gay sex their entire life (many times regretting doing gay porn in the first place). Would you call these guys gay or even bisexual? I wouldn't.

Many gay guys can't imagine that they will ever have sex with a woman. They project this view on the gay for pay phenomenom. If a guy can have sex with another guy in front of a camera he can't be straight. Well, he can under certain cirstances. just like a gay man can have sex with a woman under certain cirstances. I wonder how many gay men would have sex with a woman if it buys them a beautiful house or a decent car.

 

[cockyblu]

In some of the scenes I've watched lately, I can say that yes there are some straight guys acting for the monetary benefit. A very prime example of this is Cody Cummings. Another example would be the bottoming scene of Will Braun from men. Watch his interview and his facial reactions, and you can see it clearly reflected in his eyes that he doesn't want to do the scene but he needed to do it (I'm just going to assume here) for the money.

Just try to watch gay porn of some muscular guys indifferently. What I mean, is that don't mind where the guy sticks his dick, just focus on their reactions and their body language and you might see where I'm pointing at - that most porn actors don't really enjoy what they're doing, that they look lost and that most of them resorted into illicit drugs just to stomach and absorb the scene that they're making.

For parting thoughts, we can't just compartmentalize people based on our preconceived notions, that if a guy makes out with another guy he's gay or vice-versa. We don't know who these people are. We have little information on their personal lives and what goes in and out of their minds to make a sound good judgement. What we see on the scenes they make is just a tiny fraction of their personality. More so, there is no such thing as totally straight guy, partially straight / homosexual guy. We just love to put labels on things so it's easy for us to attach stereotypes based on society's old norms.

And lastly, "individual differences".

 

[jyotib]

For parting thoughts, we can't just compartmentalize people based on our preconceived notions, that if a guy makes out with another guy he's gay or vice-versa. We don't know who these people are. We have little information on their personal lives and what goes in and out of their minds to make a sound good judgement. What we see on the scenes they make is just a tiny fraction of their personality. More so, there is no such thing as totally straight guy, partially straight / homosexual guy. We just love to put labels on things so it's easy for us to attach stereotypes based on society's old norms.

And lastly, "individual differences".

Thanks for the comment and all of your views.

Maybe I missed my point which I actually wanted to say.

I never wanted to compartmentalize people according to some preconceived notions prevalent in every society, be it the West or the East from where I belong. Actually I don't have a preconceived notion. I belong to a country where sex used to be celebrated. We have a sex manual which is not just only for a man & woman. There are long episodes describing sex of homosexual nature and instructions are given on how to make that sex even more enjoyable. We used to celebrate sex in such a manner that the walls of our temples have scenes after scenes of erotic encounters of men & women & animals. I belong to the country where an erect phallus is worshiped as God Shiva. I belong to a culture where we have a God of love called Kama-deva or Madan who predates the Cupid - the Roman God of love and even Cupid's predecessor Eros - the Greek God of love. We have a God called Vishnu who for certain reasons transformed himself into a beautiful lady called Mohini and later on that lady-form is worshiped by the transsexuals as their Goddess. We have a God named Krishna who transformed himself into another beautiful lady and married a very young man named Aravan because it was his last wish to get married the day before dying and live one night as a married man (Krishna did so because Aravan was going to sacrifice his life for his clan and no real woman was ready to marry a man whom they knew would die the very next day). But what a shame, years of subjugation under the Islamic rulers (who actually came to our country for plundering our wealth but later became our rulers) and later the English (who also came to our country for plundering but in a much civilized way - in the garb of doing trade with us and later becoming our rulers for almost 200 years), we have now forgotten our past heritage, our past beliefs and were made to believe that sex other than between a man and woman is unnatural and should never be practiced. Of course I blame the forgetting part on us. It's our bad. Now in our country homosexuality is a crime punishable up to 10 years in a prison. We are now fighting for the rights of equality which the constitution of our country has given us as humans and as we call our country a democracy. We have to fight for decriminalizing homosexuality. Let the hope of marriage lie in the freezer, even living together is a far-cry for us. You know, that's why I have left all my preconceived notions and my inhibitions behind and ask my-self with a clear mind about my identity and my sexual preferences. So I have no idea of a perfect masculinity or femininity. I don't put tags on people calling them gay or bi or straight or crooked. These are just names which makes our sexual identity a little bit easier to conceive.

I have never said doing porn is an easy job. Neither is prostitution a easy job. There is nothing called easy money. Every penny earned is very much the hard earned money. Of course I believe porn is just a fantasy world where the people working and creating fantasies for the porn lovers are no where near the people they show themselves to be. They are mere actors. Acting to be straight or gay or bi. So why do we consider that the guys who look so involved in the sex and look lusty is only acting and the guy who looks distant is the true one who is not acting. Why the lusty one is the actor and the distant one is a victim of the demands of the porn director! Why not the other way round? We don't personally know any of them nor do I want to know. If they are acting, then the hapless and helpless looking straight guy who is distant while getting his butt fucked by another man only for the sake of money is also a part of the act. If a straight man's acting in the gay porn industry for money a job and the performance of being gay a mere act then why the watery eyed interviews of remorse and regret for working in the gay porn industry of the same straight porn actor after retirement not to be considered as some more acting? How come we know if he is telling the truth or not. How come we know what is going on behind the closed doors of that straight man's house? Or rather, how shall we know what is going on in his mind? We do not. So how can we come to the conclusion that the straight ex-gay-porn actor guy, a father of 5 children, a loving pussy-fucking husband or boyfriend is a genuinely "straight as an arrow" guy only by watching their on-camera after retirement interview which may absolutely be another shitty piece of acting?

Let me put the after retirement interview in this way - all the big names in the porn industry (not only gay porn industry) give an after retirement interview. Most of the stories are of tortured souls who only did that for money as they had no other options left in the world and they regret their decision of acting in the porn. A very few of them are bold enough to openly confess that they really liked the sex part of it along with the money and fame. In reality porn actors have a very small shelf life in comparison to the main-stream movie actors. For porn actors, their assets are their body, beauty and charm. When they age these things start to wane away. That's why they have to retire because most of us don't like to fantasize about a wrinkly, saggy body (except for some exceptions). Most of these porn-stars be a man or woman have a tendency to spend money like water and live luxuriously while they are stars in demand. But after retirement, many of them return to almost the same financial situation for which they had become porn actors. So they have to search for regular mundane jobs. That's why all these sobbing stories of regret and remorse come up because they have to work in places where people would be intolerant of their past, where they might have to face abuse due to their porn actor past. Although those same people had enjoyed the porn movies of these actors. It may sound odd, but the porn actors from the gay porn industry have to face more discrimination and abuse in their after retirement work places than their female or male straight porn industry counterparts because of homophobia. Homophobia is a world-wide phenomenon with no exception to race, class or creed and country. That's why all the sobbing stories of a straight tortured soul almost forced to do gay shitty stuff on screen only because of money come up.

For the time being let us assume that all the stuff that the gay porn industry says about their actors are true. The straight guys are real pussy lovers who do gay stuff only to earn money and nothing else. In regular times when they are not acting in porn, if a gay guy approaches them they would outright say no or would beat the shit out of the gay guys ass. This is what these big gay porn houses want us to believe. I have no problem with that way of imagery created by the gay porn industry to sell their stuff. Then the questions that arise are extremely vital for the us in terms of gay porn watcher and lover and most importantly as a human being who loves to love a person of same sex and also loves have sex with a person of same sex. Do we really consider a straight man to be more masculine and attractive than a gay man? Do we really consider sex with a man who will never like our body but will fuck us or be fucked by us really worth it? Do we really consider the one-sided nature of the sex we would have with the straight man very alluring and sexy? Because no straight man will ever love to fuck a man or be fucked by a man in his right mind. He will never enjoy the sex even if he is handsomely paid for it. It would be a hollow, mechanical and mindless fucking and nothing else. Do we really love to fantasize about that kind of sex? Are we senseless sadomasochistic nymphomaniacs who just love to fuck or get fucked without any feelings? Are we such lowly desperate creatures that even in our fantasies we don't want love but only want to feel the carnal pleasure and nothing else? If we are then the discussion must end here. Because no straight guy in his right mind will want us or our body until and unless he is a nympho bastard. Then also it proves that we are the same sbags as they are. If we aren't. Then what do we really want! Even in our fantasies, we all want to be liked and loved and cared for and not used and thrown away as some used toilet-paper, flushed out after use.

Each and every one us wear masks. Many masks for many reasons. Even a lifetime is not enough to know a person accurately although that person is the nearest one we live with. What goes on inside the mind always remains a mystery. Sometimes we ourselves don't want to admit what we are. Either we are scared or ashamed or maybe both. Because most of us are afraid of the society and most important of all the religion. Religion tells us what kind of love is good love and what kind of love is really bad love; which sex is good and which sex is bad, evil. It's an irony that man has created religion out of his own free will and requirement; it's is man who comprises of the society; but now religion & society dictates man of what to do and what not to do. So we have to wear the masks but deep down inside we all are polygamous, incestuous and bi-sexual human beings. Accept it or not, that's the truth which most of us are afraid to accept.

I am here not to bash or bulldoze others' views. I want this particular topic to be a free and open debate. That's why I would like to thank you all who have commented and read all the posts from the very core of my heart. I liked all the comments because even if they might be different from my views but they still are open-minded comments. We are different people with different experiences of life and obviously different viewpoints. But at the end of the day we are all humans. We have feelings, we have desires, that's what makes us alive and it's beautiful.

Thanks friends and please keep on commenting because every idea is welcome. The difference makes us interesting.

 

[Shelter]

Hi Jiotib this was really a very interesting and very good summation to this thread. And I accept and support all the theses you have given here.

I must admit honestly that never before I have bothered if a performer in a gay-porn is straight, bi oder really gay. I only liked the feeling of beeing a horny voyeur - and yes such porns make me horny - but for this reason they are made, aren't they?

And as well I would be very cautiously to call them "prostitutes". An actor or an actress in a mainstream movie which has to be in his/her part to be totally naked you never would call a "prostitute". Well perhaps this is a poor comparison - but you know what I mean.

Many young men in the former East-European states will do that redally only for money, because in their homecountries to that time there have been very little possibilities to get a "normal" job. And the manhunters from the big studios in the Czech Republic, Poland or Hungary - they found their "victims" nice looking young men, very often homeless. They got them from the streets. And good money (whatever "good money" means to them) ever tempting.

But when I'm watching today twink porn films (I like twinks - it is really very, very seldom that I find a face or a body language which tells me: he didn't like what will just done to him. But on the other hand, perhaps he likes it but the cock of his partner is too big and thick for him and it hurts him.

But in the end porn is an entertainment for straights, gays, lesbians and all the others. And I don't think that anyone of these porn actors is to be compelled by a weapon to do that what he is doing. It is a job and the porn industrie gives all of us a dream world of love as well as the mainstream film industry will give us too a dream world.

I think, I for myself couldn't do that and not for the biggest sum of money. I would fall short. Real sex is for me something behind the door of my bedroom or house and I don't like to have spectators (director, camera-man, best boys and so on). But that is a reason for me too to venerate the porn actors - to get totally undressed in front of dressed people and then to get stiff and fuck over a long time. We see only the finished film - but could he always in his scene or how long it must be repeated until an "result". We only see two or three or more lustful guys - but I think it will be really very hard work for them. And they surely don't make one scene a day. Perhaps they have to fuck or haved been fucked three four or five times during such a session on the set.

 

[jyotib]

I totally agree with you Sir.
Porn is for entertainment. We all like it and that's why we are all here and discussing such things.
I would never call a porn actor a prostitute because I know the hard work and the ordeal they go through.
I have been to the U.S. many times as guest lecturer in prestigious Universities to read paper on human mind and the way it works. A substantial portion of my research is on the homosexual mind as I am one. I have many friends there with whom I share a lot of thoughts. One of my friends has pursued his doctoral program on pornography. Although neither me nor my friend claim that we know everything about the porn world but we have some knowledge.
I cautiously don't call the pornographic actors or models to be prostitutes be it male or female, homosexual or heterosexual because the easy summation that we make that they do it only for money is actually not true. Of course money is there but that's not the only thing. Although many porn actors work as prostitutes or escorts or strippers or exotic dancers but that don't make them to be simply called whores.
There are many prostitutes who are quite highly paid and caters to the high-end clienteles. They don't come to the porn industry. I must say here that please don't think that I have any bias against the prostitutes. Of course I don't have any because I consider that whatever they do is also a job which is extremely difficult. I would never have the courage to be in their shoes. Coming back to the porn actors - what we have found that other than money, what drives these people to stand stark naked before the hot glaring lights and the camera and in a room full of people staring at them while they are having sex, is a mix of narcissism and exhibitionism and a lust for fame. A poor person can be duped with a handful of cash and brought before the camera and do such things what we call porn for once or twice or thrice but not more than that. So we see many guys just for once or twice but later we don't find a trace of them. But the regular ones are not the pure & simple needy ones. This is the way that people love to think. We mostly have a tendency to be sympathetic towards people who say that they are poor & wretched and abused and we generally like to connect our lives to those stories in some way or the other and love the feeling of compassion.
Saying these I must say that I am quite aware of the situation of the people of the Eastern European countries and I am quite aware of their misery. I am fully sympathetic towards them. I love the beautiful innocent faces of those Czech, Hungarian, Polish..... boys. I love the porn they do. I never ever have denied watching them or loving them. But the fact remains that whatever they say before the camera is not the truth. They are mere scripted stories and that's why they need screen names.
I am happy with the stories as you all others my friends because porn is fantasy, it's magic. I love porn because it's not mere fantasy. I love it because it celebrates sex and sex for me is freedom. Sex is subversion.

 

[Shelter]

:agree::agree:

I totally agree with you Sir.
Porn is for entertainment. We all like it and that's why we are all here and discussing such things.
I would never call a porn actor a prostitute because I know the hard work and the ordeal they go through.
I have been to the U.S. many times as guest lecturer in prestigious Universities to read paper on human mind and the way it works. A substantial portion of my research is on the homosexual mind as I am one. I have many friends there with whom I share a lot of thoughts. One of my friends has pursued his doctoral program on pornography. Although neither me nor my friend claim that we know everything about the porn world but we have some knowledge.
I cautiously don't call the pornographic actors or models to be prostitutes be it male or female, homosexual or heterosexual because the easy summation that we make that they do it only for money is actually not true. Of course money is there but that's not the only thing. Although many porn actors work as prostitutes or escorts or strippers or exotic dancers but that don't make them to be simply called whores.
There are many prostitutes who are quite highly paid and caters to the high-end clienteles. They don't come to the porn industry. I must say here that please don't think that I have any bias against the prostitutes. Of course I don't have any because I consider that whatever they do is also a job which is extremely difficult. I would never have the courage to be in their shoes. Coming back to the porn actors - what we have found that other than money, what drives these people to stand stark naked before the hot glaring lights and the camera and in a room full of people staring at them while they are having sex, is a mix of narcissism and exhibitionism and a lust for fame. A poor person can be duped with a handful of cash and brought before the camera and do such things what we call porn for once or twice or thrice but not more than that. So we see many guys just for once or twice but later we don't find a trace of them. But the regular ones are not the pure & simple needy ones. This is the way that people love to think. We mostly have a tendency to be sympathetic towards people who say that they are poor & wretched and abused and we generally like to connect our lives to those stories in some way or the other and love the feeling of compassion.
Saying these I must say that I am quite aware of the situation of the people of the Eastern European countries and I am quite aware of their misery. I am fully sympathetic towards them. I love the beautiful innocent faces of those Czech, Hungarian, Polish..... boys. I love the porn they do. I never ever have denied watching them or loving them. But the fact remains that whatever they say before the camera is not the truth. They are mere scripted stories and that's why they need screen names.
I am happy with the stories as you all others my friends because porn is fantasy, it's magic. I love porn because it's not mere fantasy. I love it because it celebrates sex and sex for me is freedom. Sex is subversion.

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[dragonscub]

This has been an interesting thread so far, but with respect I feel it quickly drifted away from the primary question posed in jyotib's original post: he was not disputing there was such a thing as prostitution, or that a usually-straight man might readily agree to get his cock sucked or even to fuck a guy under certain cirstances (paid or not). Nor was he questioning the concept of bi-sexuality.

I believe jyotib's key question was: do we as gays seriously, truly believe there are SO MANY 'straight men' so desperate for $1000 that they'll take a huge cock up their ass, on camera, for the world to see all over the internet for the rest of their lives? Really? In a world that remains solidly homophobic despite many superficial gains of acceptance? In this *specific* regard, I tend to agree with the skepticism of jyotib: I'm not buying this narrative that twenty new straight men per week, month after month, year after year, arrive at clearly-known GAY porn studios, clamoring to PUBLICLY take another man's cock up their ass, for what amounts not much money at all, and be forever more labeled as "that guy we thought we knew who got fucked by a man in a gay porn video- EEEWWWWW."

Yes, to a certain degree, all men are horndogs and surprisingly few would (privately) turn down a blowjob from a gay man they trusted. I have known more than a few hyper-masculine straight "thug" types that have agreed to fuck some of my more adventurous gay friends (not for money, either: but because they tried it and liked it). Real life is far more complex than most people can conceive: in my 30 years of being gay, I have been astonished how many generally-straight men, who are very much focused on women, do also enjoy getting BJs from other men or fucking other men. They do not consider themselves "bisexual" or "closeted" - they think of such activities as some sort of separate entertainment that doesn't really factor into their daily lives.

Time after time, they give some variation of the same explanation: that they're primarily into women, but when they get super-horny a gay friend will give them MUCH better oral, or they can't resist the offer of anal because its a forbidden thrill their wife or girlfriend refuses. They play a psychological trick with themselves, with the excuse "a hole is a hole when I'm super horny, and it isn't gay if I'm the top and the other guy is discreet". If I had a dollar for every time I've heard this "hole is a hole" remark from straight guys, I'd be a very rich man.

HOWEVER, this casual attitude absolutely stops dead when it comes to them being on the receiving end of anal sex. That is the line that is never crossed. NEVER: because a man simply cannot be penetrated by another man while pretending "it isn't really homosexual." Plus, it never remotely occurs to a straight man to be the slightest bit interested in getting fucked: their sexual mentality is 100% directed at conquest, at getting someone to service them. Being the anal bottom doesn't compute for them, at all.

Are there "straight" men who like their woman to fuck them with a strap-on? Absolutely. And transgender prostitutes who still have a penis are a huge part of the paid sex trade, as they fulfill a very specific, surprisingly common straight male fantasy of the "woman with a cock". This is an inexplicable desire to us gay guys, yet several studies have shown a significant number of straight men are turned on by "chick with a dick" but utterly repulsed by the thought of 'ordinary gay sex' with another man. And of course, there are millions of straight married men who are largely content with straight sex, but have a gay urge they need to fulfill now and then. Many of these men WILL participate in all aspects of gay sex, oral and anal, top and bottom. But in their PRIVATE LIVES, not on camera for the world to see them and judge them.

I'm rambling now, sorry, my point is there's a big difference between private behavior and putting yourself out there having man-man sex on distinctly gay websites. I'm willing to believe a large number of straight-identified performers will do SOME aspects of "gay for pay" because they are hyper-sexual, and can wrap their minds around getting oral from a guy or fucking a guy on camera. They are able to rationalize such public, apparently-gay sex acts to themselves, and presumably to whoever questions them about such scenes. It is that "hole is a hole" attitude, taken to the extreme of public performance. Tho we will probably never know how much exhibitionism, bisexuality, or addiction factors into these performances.

Getting fucked goes one giant step beyond. There is no earthly reason for a performer to do this if he truly identifies as straight. You can pop a Viagra now to fake out being a top, but you can't fake being a bottom: you KNOW that cock is up inside you, you KNOW it is an act completely alien to your own sexuality, you KNOW it will be perceived as 200% gay by anyone who sees it. So if you aren't personally into it, and don't want to make a career of doing it, why bother? It only makes sense if the performer is using the porn videos as publicity for their escorting services, and they are willing to bottom commercially (for a price that is often far more than they got paid for the video). Unless the performer is that walking cliche: strung-out drug addict who will do anything, anytime, with anyone, risking any societal label, for a couple hundred bucks.

The only plausible explanation for all this "straight" porn bottoming is that its a smokescreen to titillate the large segment of gay porn consumers who are turned on by the notion of forbidden fruit. There is nothing wrong with entertaining such fantasies while viewing porn: after all, most of the men in the world around us are "straight" so its only natural that we'd be subconsciously stoked by these porn myths. But I think most of it is just BS: one look at the performers who are REALLY straight reveals the lie, because they're as boring as watching paint dry, and its painfully obvious how uninterested they are in what they're doing (Cody Cummings? Ugh! Leo Giamani? Eeesh!).

Say what you will about someone like Johnny Rapid having fathered several kids and being so "straight" he beats his girlfriend: I'm not buying his "straight" nonsense for a second. The boy spins on a 9" cock as if he was born to it, and shoots his load so enthusiastically while being fucked his semen spurts out of his eyeballs. He may not be 100% gay, but the bitch ain't 100% straight neither- not by a longshot. "Acting" my ass: you don't get this facile about riding cock unless some part of you enjoys it- a lot.

Methinks these gents doth protest too much: they're either winking "straight" at us to promote a (perhaps misguided) studio mystique, or they are so screwed up they actually don't even realize they're bisexual or gay. No "straight" man rides a cock on the internet for the ridiculously low pay these guys get. In private, discreetly, sure- I personally know several hustlers who are essentially straight but will sell their ass for a price. One literally gives it up for a carton of cigarettes, but he's not quite all "there" mentally. They think of it as a job, completely divorced from their own sexuality, to the point they kinda prefer being fucked because they don't have to actually DO anything but lie there (while giving head or topping requires a real gearshift). They would never do it on the internet for public consumption.

Yeah, I've often wondered how these people keep wandering into my orbit: I'm a serial monogamist who can count his total number of hookups on his fingers! I guess "opposites attract" when it comes to friendships as much as any other area of life. There's all kinds living here in New York City, and I've heard so many life stories.

 

[Shelter]

Thank you so much Dragonscub for this very interesting post. Something to be thought-provoking.

 

[jyotib]

This has been an interesting thread so far, but with respect I feel it quickly drifted away from the primary question posed in jyotib's original post: he was not disputing there was such a thing as prostitution, or that a usually-straight man might readily agree to get his cock sucked or even to fuck a guy under certain cirstances (paid or not). Nor was he questioning the concept of bi-sexuality.

I believe jyotib's key question was: do we as gays seriously, truly believe there are SO MANY 'straight men' so desperate for $1000 that they'll take a huge cock up their ass, on camera, for the world to see all over the internet for the rest of their lives? Really? In a world that remains solidly homophobic despite many superficial gains of acceptance? In this *specific* regard, I tend to agree with the skepticism of jyotib: I'm not buying this narrative that twenty new straight men per week, month after month, year after year, arrive at clearly-known GAY porn studios, clamoring to PUBLICLY take another man's cock up their ass, for what amounts not much money at all, and be forever more labeled as "that guy we thought we knew who got fucked by a man in a gay porn video- EEEWWWWW."

Yes, to a certain degree, all men are horndogs and surprisingly few would (privately) turn down a blowjob from a gay man they trusted. I have known more than a few hyper-masculine straight "thug" types that have agreed to fuck some of my more adventurous gay friends (not for money, either: but because they tried it and liked it). Real life is far more complex than most people can conceive: in my 30 years of being gay, I have been astonished how many generally-straight men, who are very much focused on women, do also enjoy getting BJs from other men or fucking other men. They do not consider themselves "bisexual" or "closeted" - they think of such activities as some sort of separate entertainment that doesn't really factor into their daily lives.

Time after time, they give some variation of the same explanation: that they're primarily into women, but when they get super-horny a gay friend will give them MUCH better oral, or they can't resist the offer of anal because its a forbidden thrill their wife or girlfriend refuses. They play a psychological trick with themselves, with the excuse "a hole is a hole when I'm super horny, and it isn't gay if I'm the top and the other guy is discreet". If I had a dollar for every time I've heard this "hole is a hole" remark from straight guys, I'd be a very rich man.

HOWEVER, this casual attitude absolutely stops dead when it comes to them being on the receiving end of anal sex. That is the line that is never crossed. NEVER: because a man simply cannot be penetrated by another man while pretending "it isn't really homosexual." Plus, it never remotely occurs to a straight man to be the slightest bit interested in getting fucked: their sexual mentality is 100% directed at conquest, at getting someone to service them. Being the anal bottom doesn't compute for them, at all.

Are there "straight" men who like their woman to fuck them with a strap-on? Absolutely. And transgender prostitutes who still have a penis are a huge part of the paid sex trade, as they fulfill a very specific, surprisingly common straight male fantasy of the "woman with a cock". This is an inexplicable desire to us gay guys, yet several studies have shown a significant number of straight men are turned on by "chick with a dick" but utterly repulsed by the thought of 'ordinary gay sex' with another man. And of course, there are millions of straight married men who are largely content with straight sex, but have a gay urge they need to fulfill now and then. Many of these men WILL participate in all aspects of gay sex, oral and anal, top and bottom. But in their PRIVATE LIVES, not on camera for the world to see them and judge them.

I'm rambling now, sorry, my point is there's a big difference between private behavior and putting yourself out there having man-man sex on distinctly gay websites. I'm willing to believe a large number of straight-identified performers will do SOME aspects of "gay for pay" because they are hyper-sexual, and can wrap their minds around getting oral from a guy or fucking a guy on camera. They are able to rationalize such public, apparently-gay sex acts to themselves, and presumably to whoever questions them about such scenes. It is that "hole is a hole" attitude, taken to the extreme of public performance. Tho we will probably never know how much exhibitionism, bisexuality, or addiction factors into these performances.

Getting fucked goes one giant step beyond. There is no earthly reason for a performer to do this if he truly identifies as straight. You can pop a Viagra now to fake out being a top, but you can't fake being a bottom: you KNOW that cock is up inside you, you KNOW it is an act completely alien to your own sexuality, you KNOW it will be perceived as 200% gay by anyone who sees it. So if you aren't personally into it, and don't want to make a career of doing it, why bother? It only makes sense if the performer is using the porn videos as publicity for their escorting services, and they are willing to bottom commercially (for a price that is often far more than they got paid for the video). Unless the performer is that walking cliche: strung-out drug addict who will do anything, anytime, with anyone, risking any societal label, for a couple hundred bucks.

The only plausible explanation for all this "straight" porn bottoming is that its a smokescreen to titillate the large segment of gay porn consumers who are turned on by the notion of forbidden fruit. There is nothing wrong with entertaining such fantasies while viewing porn: after all, most of the men in the world around us are "straight" so its only natural that we'd be subconsciously stoked by these porn myths. But I think most of it is just BS: one look at the performers who are REALLY straight reveals the lie, because they're as boring as watching paint dry, and its painfully obvious how uninterested they are in what they're doing (Cody Cummings? Ugh! Leo Giamani? Eeesh!).

Say what you will about someone like Johnny Rapid having fathered several kids and being so "straight" he beats his girlfriend: I'm not buying his "straight" nonsense for a second. The boy spins on a 9" cock as if he was born to it, and shoots his load so enthusiastically while being fucked his semen spurts out of his eyeballs. He may not be 100% gay, but the bitch ain't 100% straight neither- not by a longshot. "Acting" my ass: you don't get this facile about riding cock unless some part of you enjoys it- a lot.

Methinks these gents doth protest too much: they're either winking "straight" at us to promote a (perhaps misguided) studio mystique, or they are so screwed up they actually don't even realize they're bisexual or gay. No "straight" man rides a cock on the internet for the ridiculously low pay these guys get. In private, discreetly, sure- I personally know several hustlers who are essentially straight but will sell their ass for a price. One literally gives it up for a carton of cigarettes, but he's not quite all "there" mentally. They think of it as a job, completely divorced from their own sexuality, to the point they kinda prefer being fucked because they don't have to actually DO anything but lie there (while giving head or topping requires a real gearshift). They would never do it on the internet for public consumption.

Yeah, I've often wondered how these people keep wandering into my orbit: I'm a serial monogamist who can count his total number of hookups on his fingers! I guess "opposites attract" when it comes to friendships as much as any other area of life. There's all kinds living here in New York City, and I've heard so many life stories.

Thanks You.

The thanks is not just for commenting but for understanding the true nature of my skepticism. The real motive of my thread is to get the clearer understanding of the gay mind when it comes to fantasies and at the same time the extent to which we can really distinguish the line between fantasy & reality. Some of us love to dwell in the world of our own fantasy for a certain amount of time. It's good to a certain extent for that little amount of time but when this time period starts to extend then in becomes a real matter of concern. Day by day I am coming across people who are more comfortable in living in the world of their fantasies and falsehood. This trend is making me really worried because when we start believing in the fantasies and the lies then we really are in great danger. Day by day if we get drifted towards that unreal world and become more and more engrossed in that then it becomes extremely difficult for us to get back to reality and perform rationally even with medical help. Generally these things lead us to the path of committing suicide which is extremely tragic and sad.

Believing that gay porn performer to be straight and buying the false stories sold to us by the porn studios about their models is a small step towards that denial of reality and dwelling in the fantasy. It may be a small step but it still concerns me as an academic psychologist. A few small steps a day lead us covering a long distance after a specific period of time.

I liked your post or rather I would say that I loved your post not because you have understood the true nature of my skepticism but because of the fact that you have no difficulty in accepting the fact that you love watching those porn, still you don't believe those stories. You definitely can differentiate between fantasy and reality. I find out the same thing about SHELTER who has got no problem in accepting his love for this fantasy world of porn but he still doesn't believe in the stories told to us by the industry. Please don't think I am patronizing you and reprimanding others for theirs beliefs. It's not at all like that. I am curious as well as concerned because life is becoming more and more complicated day by day. We have to firmly believe in the reality, how harsh it may be and that will give us the strength and courage to fight all the odds in our lives. Dwelling in the fantasy-land would not take us anywhere near the good life we all dream of.

You have written that you were rambling. Believe me we all do that. That's good because it helps us to have a clear mind and people can understand us with a little bit ease. We are all individuals with voices to state our feelings and views and we all have brains to think. If we don't use them independently and properly, we are not performing our duties as responsible human being. So please think and speak up. I blabber a lot too but you know it's a kind of habit because I get paid for it