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Answer: Sure looks that way. :thinking:
 
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mmmm I don`t know I always wonder a few things like why $34.8 million why not 300 million
just tons of question like always many question no answers......

just have to wait and see..
 

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For me it is difficult to estimate the consequences of legal affairs in other countries than mine. And even there (The Netherlands) it is hard enough to understand legal consequences. The meaning of laws is to create order, so the most effective way would be a maximum of order with a minimum of laws. But this can lead to dangerous simplicity like cut of the hands of the thief, so he can't steal anymore, or even worse, hang the horse-thief, so the problem is solved.
Piracy is of all times. In The Netherlands we had pirates that still are seen as heroes (Piet Hein, zijn naam is klein, maar zijn daden waren groot - Piet Hein, his name is small, but his acts were great - is still a well-known song), but also the USA tried to finance their civil war with piracy and not long ago during the Reagan period the war in Nicaragua was financed with drugs piracy.
In The Netherlands we tend to consider all possible aspects in a crime. This often leads to mocking bar-talk as: the criminal had a difficult youth, ha, ha. Sometimes the mocking birds are right, but the principle that the verdict should lead to order based on humanity is so valuable, that it is difficult to express that in money.
Thereby some aspects are difficult to understand.
- One of our top comedians - Fons Jansen - refused to do his shows on television. His argument: the people in the theater pay for my show and it would be unfair that others can see it for free. Several years later he was convinced by the reality that the effect of TV was mainly an easier way to popularity and money. So finally he appeared on TV, was very successful, but had to stop too quick to make big money because of the sickness of Alzheimer.
- I often hear that factories who own patents are confronted with the fact that their products appear on the market, a lot cheaper, manufactured in China, without their permission.
- Internet is an invention that has huge consequences for human communication (as the invention of printing books also has been). Freedom of speech means that you can say what you think. It means that at least you are free to think. Internet can help by creating thoughts. So freedom of speech seems only valuable in case of freedom of thoughts and creating them. A conflicting situation in a lot of countries (think of the burning of books in history).
- The porn industry needs money to make things. A factory needs also to make profit. The profitability of a product can depend on circumstances. Sometimes new inventions need new approach to survive (see the Kodak factory). In our society porn has become accepted and therefore the profitability. With illegal stuff you can make more profit than legal stuff. By declaring providers illegal they will find without any doubt means to keep providing one way or another and even make more profit than ever. These are preconditions that must take into account.

Sex is a drug, they say. Drugs create illusions. Fighting drugs also, it seems sometimes.

We will see what the future brings.
 

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Yes, Tjerk, sex is a drug.
Porn is maybe not a drug, but is similar. If we had to buy all this porn, we would all be broke. Really broke. So we get a fun porn habit and then we...what? Download illegally. Not me, of course, but all you naughty boys.

So there's the conundrum. They put out a product that we REALLY want, but price it so we can't afford it...and then take people to court as criminals.

Maybe somday it will be just a normal thing, like the cable bill , or the cell phone bill. Maybe someday.
 

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Thing is, Oron's owner is a Russian criminal and most likely well connected. The vast majority of his assets are held in Russia and the authorities will not be able to touch them or him. But what they will get are all of his records, you know, the ones listing all the uploaders who have made money sharing copyrighted material. Then they will start going after them...

 

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Thing is, Oron's owner is a Russian criminal and most likely well connected. The vast majority of his assets are held in Russia and the authorities will not be able to touch them or him. But what they will get are all of his records, you know, the ones listing all the uploaders who have made money sharing copyrighted material. Then they will start going after them...


What exactly do you mean with the authorities? In Russia, or in the USA? If you mean the Russian ones it seems not very logical that they will support such action. A criminal is a person of which legally is proven that he or she committed a crime, so he or she will end up in jail. Most of the very rich people from Russia are free to go and do what they want, so it is likely that in the perception of their government they are no criminals. Yet in the western countries we seem to be sure that they are criminals. Is that because we have a longer experience with the adoration of money, so deep inside we know that it is very difficult to gather such amounts of money in such a short time without violating the law or decency?
From paper-boy to millionaire, what a perspective! My sons started as paper-boy and I was a paper-boy! There is a lot of money to come! Just a matter of patience, I think.
But (serious now) I don’t think that this way of making money is an easy way for the porn industry. For sure not in my country. The costs will be higher than the benefit.
It can be lonely at the top – You can be loaded as a bottom.
 

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Thankyou Yorkie, theres no way of knowing the result , but its useful to be informed ahead of things!
 
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I seen today that Oron Seeks to Obtain $375,000 in Emergency Motion, to pay for one thing there hosting company. ( they have to pay by june 30)
 

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What exactly do you mean with the authorities? In Russia, or in the USA? If you mean the Russian ones it seems not very logical that they will support such action. A criminal is a person of which legally is proven that he or she committed a crime, so he or she will end up in jail. Most of the very rich people from Russia are free to go and do what they want, so it is likely that in the perception of their government they are no criminals. Yet in the western countries we seem to be sure that they are criminals. Is that because we have a longer experience with the adoration of money, so deep inside we know that it is very difficult to gather such amounts of money in such a short time without violating the law or decency?
From paper-boy to millionaire, what a perspective! My sons started as paper-boy and I was a paper-boy! There is a lot of money to come! Just a matter of patience, I think.
But (serious now) I don’t think that this way of making money is an easy way for the porn industry. For sure not in my country. The costs will be higher than the benefit.
It can be lonely at the top – You can be loaded as a bottom.

By that I mean the authorities in the US will not be allowed to extradite him if he makes it back to Russia. The Russian government is about as corrupt as it gets, which is a pretty strong statement coming from an American, given how corrupt our own government is. The Russian mafia is headed by former KGB officials with political influence and any large scale criminals pay tribute to them in exchange for that influence...
 
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I mean come on, they got their own porn sharing forum, how guilty can you be? Oron is indeed fucked, if premium buyers can't use their visa/mastercard CCs (because Pr0n Gu@rdian would hunt them) to renew their accounts then there's really no point in continuing in the file sharing business.
 
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