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Another of these phrases that drive me mad nowadays is everybody has been on a "Journey"What with the use of "like" it seems vocabulary is shrinking.I suppose it's the new way life goes.When you look at some of these so called "celebrity"people they don't seem to have two brain cells to put together.
It must be my age.
 

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There are many more words suffering "inflation". Everything these days is inspirational, love has replaced affection, liking etc. And "it's like you know, like you wanna eat an apple, but it's like totally gonna get you like fat or smth u no?":D etc. But I think you have lately been influenced too much to "light media" maybe:) And on the one hand it's good that sophistication, manners, codes and stuff aren't as much in fashion like in some 1800's. In books of those times everything seems to be having its own civilization word. Fun to read, but would feel like douch if I would be myself talking like that:p
 

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Another of these phrases that drive me mad nowadays is everybody has been on a "Journey"What with the use of "like" it seems vocabulary is shrinking.I suppose it's the new way life goes.When you look at some of these so called "celebrity"people they don't seem to have two brain cells to put together.
It must be my age.

I am an old man and can permit myself the luxury to invest time in the meaning of words. I started to love words who really express something. But only in my native language, Dutch, because my knowledge of foreign languages is to poor.
A beautiful and nearly forgotten word for example is the old Dutch word for horizon: einder. Eind means end, so the word means where the end is; where the world seems to end for you. I like to write little stories, in which I only use words which have their explanation in themselves.
In fact like this quote from Mark Twain:
Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.
 
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Another of these phrases that drive me mad nowadays is everybody has been on a "Journey"What with the use of "like" it seems vocabulary is shrinking.I suppose it's the new way life goes.When you look at some of these so called "celebrity"people they don't seem to have two brain cells to put together.
It must be my age.

I don't know how old you are, but I do believe that the Internet and the phenomenon of texting has brought a severe shortage of vocabularies. Just to give you an example... Alex and I had one of our third wheel that was 18 years old and while Alex or I would write complete sentences when emailing him or texting him... he would always reply with one or two lines out of a 5 paragraphs yet this same kid is studying in communication and he's having a real hard time since now he has to develop his rhetoric, he has to make sure to reply to all paragraphs and not only those that seems to be easier... I know for a fact that he won't succeed in its first year because it's almost like he's learning to communicate again. The way we "the 29-40" did in school; we may be using abbreviations when texting or IM... but we know how to switch to full sentences when it's necessary... children of today doesn't.

I forced my son to always text back to Alex or I with full sentence... use abbreviations only when it is an emergency or necessary... but I don't want to see BTW (i want the full by the way). The result is that my son has a very rich vocabulary in all his languages, since I made sure he doesn't fall into the easy way trap. He is fluent in French, English, Tagalog and Spanish and knows how to write them all properly... and he's 12.

In my house we have a very complete library (yes it is a library :) ) a huge room with books and few computers that are configured for research and learning only... in that room all other non-educational websites are blocked and this is the very best place to concentrate when I do research, want to read without being disturbed... it's my study and the library and this way our children benefit from a vortex of knowledge touching all subjects.

The brain is a muscle... when one doesn't use it or stimulate it shrinks and works half capacity... I believe that's the trend we have now with this new texting shit generation... they're just plain lazy.
 
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The brain is a muscle... when one doesn't use it or stimulate it shrinks and works half capacity... I believe that's the trend we have now with this new texting shit generation... and lazy mind.

Every generation is crap when talking about youth and their trends. But still, best times ever. I don't think I do enought crazy stuff anymore:rofl:
 
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Every generation is crap when talking about youth and their trends. But still, best times ever. I don't think I do enought crazy stuff anymore:rofl:

No I don't believe that every generation is crap... I loved my grand parents generation and although I see a trend of laziness among the new generation we can't blame them 100%... they were born in the era of booming technology... while I was born in the beginning of hightech... when I tell my son about my first computer he laugh at me because back in the days what I found amusing... writing 5000 lines on a Qbasic program just to get the USA anthem on a bad speaker was WOW for me... he was born in the Internet era with Pentium 4, scanners, webcam, Lazer printer,etc etc. I do not blame his generation for having atrophied brain... our older societies believed it was good to get to that level... but they've lost a certain control as they let it go haywire.

Each generation have something good in them... I can't blame the new generation and I won't say that all are lazy... but yes there's less commitment than my generation. I too was playing video games, I to was doing movies (before youtube) and yes I almost had the chance to become a celebrity but I understood very young that I didn't want to go that way.
 

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No I don't believe that every generation is crap... I loved my grand parents generation and although I see a trend of laziness among the new generation we can't blame them 100%... they were born in the era of booming technology... while I was born in the beginning of hightech... when I tell my son about my first computer he laugh at me because back in the days what I found amusing... writing 5000 lines on a Qbasic program just to get the USA anthem on a bad speaker was WOW for me... he was born in the Internet era with Pentium 4, scanners, webcam, Lazer printer,etc etc. I do not blame his generation for having atrophied brain... our older societies believed it was good to get to that level... but they've lost a certain control as they let it go haywire.

Each generation have something good in them... I can't blame the new generation and I won't say that all are lazy... but yes there's less commitment than my generation. I too was playing video games, I to was doing movies (before youtube) and yes I almost had the chance to become a celebrity but I understood very young that I didn't want to go that way.

I think things just are different (especially with these generations born after industrialism, so quite a range of generations) for almost for almost each generation. Technology is moving fast forward with all it's good and bad. There really is not that much physical labour (or in same cases no work at all) to make boys into man etc. There's always the ones who pull threw youth becoming the expected, and some turn out to be somenthing different (Don't wanna say drop outs of society, cause some actually choose it). Kids today are lazyer(not english by native language:duh:) in some areas, more active in some. Mistakes belong to youth and doing things differently. Hippies, punks and these modern things I don't even care to follow are all just culture like texting and living in web. Everything has it good thing and bad things. Todays kids are very good with computer, but they maybe lazy in other stuff. Hippies had heroin, but free love and cool psychedelics etc. Talking about hippies... should brolly stop listening to Joplin now cause it seems there's nothing wrong with anything:p I need sleep! Nights:)
 
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I think things just are different (especially with these generations born after industrialism, so quite a range of generations) for almost for almost each generation. Technology is moving fast forward with all it's good and bad. There really is not that much physical labour (or in same cases no work at all) to make boys into man etc. There's always the ones who pull threw youth becoming the expected, and some turn out to be somenthing different (Don't wanna say drop outs of society, cause some actually choose it). Kids today are lazyer(not english by native language:duh:) in some areas, more active in some. Mistakes belong to youth and doing things differently. Hippies, punks and these modern things I don't even care to follow are all just culture like texting and living in web. Everything has it good thing and bad things. Todays kids are very good with computer, but they maybe lazy in other stuff. Hippies had heroin, but free love and cool psychedelics etc. Talking about hippies... should brolly stop listening to Joplin now cause it seems there's nothing wrong with anything:p I need sleep! Nights:)

Hummmm well you might want to read a little further in the Hippies, Punk and the other 70's group... there's more to it than just being lazy... it was a quiet revolution... which brought you Microsoft, Oracle, Apple etc... forget about the heroin and other crazy drugs there was a lot done in the 70 and you can't refer to those celebrities with their feeble brains... I'm talking about those that made real changes. And things aren't that different... it's the very same patterns with a different twist
 
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There's always the ones who pull threw youth becoming the expected, and some turn out to be somenthing different (Don't wanna say drop outs of society, cause some actually choose it)

Well take it from a sociologist/psychologist/anthropologist... you can't drop out of Society... even though you believe you have dropped out of society... you're in fact just entering or outing from another infinite circle. Society is like a spiral or more like a target... and you can get in whichever circle you want... a society is a formed of a group of individuals or organizations that share some similar beliefs and interests... therefore the Punk that believe that he's out of the society because he doesn't follow the laws and rules of one circle... finds out soon enough that even in their so called Anarchy there's rules and a certain code of ethic that they have to respect among peers.

Let's compare society to a target:



The bulleye represent the Elite and all other circles are intrinsic societies... and way out there, the hippies and the 80's beloved punks... each societies have their rules and code of conduct even the one that seems to have no structure... they are all in fact structured and that's what forms a society... so those who drop out of college, school, or from one society do not drop out from society per se as they are in fact switching from one circle to another. Even the Hobos have rules and yet you'd believe that they are unstructured... but before to become Hobo, they did belong to another structured society before they went off to a less structured society. Also the elite has predominance on the other societies as they can jump from one circle to another and bring the outsiders to face rule of the smaller, yet most powerful society of it all.

So you believe you dropped out... no you stepped away to another circle but you are still part of the society no matter what.
 
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Well there are hermits. I think that they are pretty much away from society in some sense. As I read my yesterdays text, I see it doesn't really say what I meant. My point basicly is that even though current generation says that the younger generation isn't as good as they themselves were, when young. This has been going for many generations now. But still we have tax paying good citicens, drop-outs, bad mothers etc. Youngsters are kinda wrong but still in some way always right. They are full of energy for life and I think that their ideas (bad or good) are good for reflecting our stabilized(and some times even left behind in time old ways, which no longer serves their purpose effectevily, as they did in the past) views.

And about punks: They are not out of society or the "system"(hate the use of word system in this content, but poor english vocabulary:p) but they are more like standing behind their own values, no matter if it differs from the social norm. Basicly punks are little bit like hippies or atleast there are lot of similarities in the way of thinking. And punks are the ones who you can really trust as friends. They never make excuses when you need help, excuses like "I'm busy, smth about girlfriend, no room etc".

And about this conversation: Thread is called Journeys and I feel like we are wayyy off topic, and as much I like to change different views, I fear this conversation will never end:rofl: We should start a new thread for on going conversations, where subject changes and lives:p
 
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Well there are hermits. I think that they are pretty much away from society in some sense. As I read my yesterdays text, I see it doesn't really say what I meant. My point basicly is that even though current generation says that the younger generation isn't as good as they themselves were, when young. This has been going for many generations now. But still we have tax paying good citicens, drop-outs, bad mothers etc. Youngsters are kinda wrong but still in some way always right. They are full of energy for life and I think that their ideas (bad or good) are good for reflecting our stabilized(and some times even left behind in time old ways, which no longer serves their purpose effectevily, as they did in the past) views.

Each society copy the other... my son's generation is based on my generation, my generation takes its roots from my parent's generation and so on and so forth... I'm not talking about the actions but more about the philosophy of each societies. There were and will always be bad parents, drop-outs and good and bad people, that's not a social phenomena it's a given lol.

And about punks: They are not out of society or the "system"(hate the use of word system in this content, but poor english vocabulary:p) but they are more like standing behind their own values, no matter if it differs from the social norm. Basicly punks are little bit like hippies or atleast there are lot of similarities in the way of thinking. And punks are the ones who you can really trust as friends. They never make excuses when you need help, excuses like "I'm busy, smth about girlfriend, no room etc".

I used to be among those little flamboyant individual with my big A for anarchy pending on my neck and my peace and love sign rings... I know quite a lot of the punk movement ;). I listen to Sid & Nancy, Daft Punk and Dio and was very involved in the punk culture. But when I became a punk it was more about the fashion more than a political statements... which was the case for many punks of my era.

And about this conversation: Thread is called Journeys and I feel like we are wayyy off topic, and as much I like to change different views, I fear this conversation will never end:rofl: We should start a new thread for on going conversations, where subject changes and lives:p
Thread always go off topics... if the owner wants us to come back on the subject he'll say so... a discussion always take different branches... is it really off topics? It's called journey and there was a mention about generation... which obviously will open parenthesis about related subjects. That how a debate goes... but yes I agree it digress but yet it was just a parenthesis that will eventually come back to the main topics. One cannot talk about the lack of vocabularies of the youths today without taking a stroll to the roots of the issue which is a generation GAP;)

And for your info hermits may be out of society in some sense... but remember I said that the elite is going to reach out to them... I have a land, if an hermit camp on my property I have the right to call the cops and have them evicted and they will be charge for loitering or trespassing... sure they'll never pay the fee but yet they are in a sense part of a society... but they are way out there in a far away loop of the target but STILL in society.
 

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And for your info hermits may be out of society in some sense... but remember I said that the elite is going to reach out to them... I have a land, if an hermit camp on my property I have the right to call the cops and have them evicted and they will be charge for loitering or trespassing... sure they'll never pay the fee but yet they are in a sense part of a society... but they are way out there in a far away loop of the target but STILL in society.

Well how about a hermit in Finland where we have 'everymans rights' so basicly you can camp out temporarily almost everywhere(so basicly as long as someone comes telling you, you've been here too long), wildernes huts for free staying along hiking routes and where theres nice scenery, can make fire (there are rules about how and so on) and so on. And I know for fact that there some hermit and have been who just live in someones forest and nobody minds. For some reason now I really want someone to be out of society:rofl:
 

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Well how about a hermit in Finland where we have 'everymans rights' so basicly you can camp out temporarily almost everywhere(so basicly as long as someone comes telling you, you've been here too long), wildernes huts for free staying along hiking routes and where theres nice scenery, can make fire (there are rules about how and so on) and so on. And I know for fact that there some hermit and have been who just live in someones forest and nobody minds. For some reason now I really want someone to be out of society:rofl:

Me too. But therefore is respect for all life essential. Humans tend to be as brutal as nature is, survival of the fittest.
 
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Well how about a hermit in Finland where we have 'everymans rights' so basicly you can camp out temporarily almost everywhere(so basicly as long as someone comes telling you, you've been here too long), wildernes huts for free staying along hiking routes and where theres nice scenery, can make fire (there are rules about how and so on) and so on. And I know for fact that there some hermit and have been who just live in someones forest and nobody minds. For some reason now I really want someone to be out of society:rofl:

:)) I hear you... but sorry dude they may live in the forest where nobody minds... but yet they know there is hermits in their forest and they indirectly look upon them... which makes them part of society LOL. Sorry every human beings are bound to rules and those rules are driven by society... they can live as far as they want in the wood or even on a desert island society will reach out to them in a way or another whether they are dead or alive hahaha. But damn I hear you I would also love to be away from society sometimes... but I know that it will reach out to me one way or another.
 

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Also "in the end of the day". Every time I hear or read it I want to scream blue murder. There are more examples, but I guess at any point of time there would be words and phrases inexplicably en vogue and abused to the point of absurdity.

Can (barely) live with that. But my pet peeve is a lack of elementary literacy some native speakers demonstrate. Is it really THAT difficult to learn the difference between "your" and "you're", for example?

And making good use of the wealth any language offers does not mean a person has to be a douche.
 
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