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New Police Radars Can 'See' Inside Homes

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New Police Radars Can 'See' Inside Homes
Brad Heath, USA TODAY 10:32 p.m. EST January 19, 2015

At least 50 U.S. law enforcement agencies quietly deployed radars that let them effectively see inside homes, with little notice to the courts or the public.

WASHINGTON — At least 50 U.S. law enforcement agencies have secretly equipped their officers with radar devices that allow them to effectively peer through the walls of houses to see whether anyone is inside, a practice raising new concerns about the extent of government surveillance.

Those agencies, including the FBI and the U.S. Marshals Service, began deploying the radar systems more than two years ago with little notice to the courts and no public disclosure of when or how they would be used. The technology raises legal and privacy issues because the U.S. Supreme Court has said officers generally cannot use high-tech sensors to tell them about the inside of a person's house without first obtaining a search warrant.

The radars work like finely tuned motion detectors, using radio waves to zero in on movements as slight as human breathing from a distance of more than 50 feet. They can detect whether anyone is inside of a house, where they are and whether they are moving.

Current and former federal officials say the information is critical for keeping officers safe if they need to storm buildings or rescue hostages. But privacy advocates and judges have nonetheless expressed concern about the circumstances in which law enforcement agencies may be using the radars — and the fact that they have so far done so without public scrutiny.

"The idea that the government can send signals through the wall of your house to figure out what's inside is problematic," said Christopher Soghoian, the American Civil Liberties Union's principal technologist. "Technologies that allow the police to look inside of a home are among the intrusive tools that police have."

Agents' use of the radars was largely unknown until December, when a federal appeals court in Denver said officers had used one before they entered a house to arrest a man wanted for violating his parole. The judges expressed alarm that agents had used the new technology without a search warrant, warning that "the government's warrantless use of such a powerful tool to search inside homes poses grave Fourth Amendment questions."

By then, however, the technology was hardly new. Federal contract records show the Marshals Service began buying the radars in 2012, and has so far spent at least $180,000 on them.

Justice Department spokesman Patrick Rodenbush said officials are reviewing the court's decision. He said the Marshals Service "routinely pursues and arrests violent offenders based on pre-established probable cause in arrest warrants" for serious crimes.

The device the Marshals Service and others are using, known as the Range-R, looks like a sophisticated stud-finder. Its display shows whether it has detected movement on the other side of a wall and, if so, how far away it is — but it does not show a picture of what's happening inside. The Range-R's maker, L-3 Communications, estimates it has sold about 200 devices to 50 law enforcement agencies at a cost of about $6,000 each.

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Orwellian police tactics at their finest!
 

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I'm happy not to know so much what the state authority is doing or what they try to do! I couldn't sleep quiet anymore.

So the only thing is: try to live your life as you like it and don't think too much about what the BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING.
 
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Is this radar supposedly just recognized living thing like thermal vision? I mean the image result. It's not like we can see the object or living things clearly like watching a picture or video or see in person right?
Hmm wonder if this device got in the wrong hand...
 

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Seems very simple - if you have a valid reason to use such devices, you can get a warrant. If you can't get a warrant, you are breaking the constitution!

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This is a violation. Private home should stay private.
 

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Time to buy shares in metalic wallpaper and lead lined curtains.
 

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For myself this boils down to how much 'information' is actually conveyed by the device. If it can produce images of unique clarity as to 'see' what a person is doing then I do think there are constitutional issues. Although lots of luck winning a case. If they can get away with 99.9% of all use of deadly force, it's not like they're in the habit of being on the losing end of a legal battle.

If the images are only 'heat' images, identifying where warm bodies are, I actually applaud the technology. Imagine how useful this could be for hostage situations! Since the hostage takers would be the one's moving around... and the hostages holding still... it would be a great device to planning a rescue.

The Star Trek age of taking down hostage holders. It would serve them right.
 

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For myself this boils down to how much 'information' is actually conveyed by the device. If it can produce images of unique clarity as to 'see' what a person is doing then I do think there are constitutional issues. Although lots of luck winning a case. If they can get away with 99.9% of all use of deadly force, it's not like they're in the habit of being on the losing end of a legal battle.

If the images are only 'heat' images, identifying where warm bodies are, I actually applaud the technology. Imagine how useful this could be for hostage situations! Since the hostage takers would be the one's moving around... and the hostages holding still... it would be a great device to planning a rescue.

The Star Trek age of taking down hostage holders. It would serve them right.

Well, a reasonable reason. And I mean too it can save lifes. But as so many other things which can save lives it too can be the opposite.

But that would be with all things we are inventing. The Internet is the best exaple. It is great and wonderful, without it we couldn't find here together to laugh, argue and debate but as well we have been now transparent people!
 

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If the images are only 'heat' images, identifying where warm bodies are, I actually applaud the technology. Imagine how useful this could be for hostage situations! Since the hostage takers would be the one's moving around... and the hostages holding still... it would be a great device to planning a rescue.

I don't think anyone objects to that use of the tech - the problem is using it routinely. Even if it can only tell you how many people are in a house and where, that is a big invasion of privacy.

Like all tech, it's not that it should be gotten rid of, but rather than rules need to be worked out around it's proper use. The technology is neither good nor bad, it just is. It's the uses that are either good or bad.

Police departments using it routinely without telling anyone is the problem. I guess it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission :(
 

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I don't think anyone objects to that use of the tech - the problem is using it routinely. Even if it can only tell you how many people are in a house and where, that is a big invasion of privacy.

Like all tech, it's not that it should be gotten rid of, but rather than rules need to be worked out around it's proper use. The technology is neither good nor bad, it just is. It's the uses that are either good or bad.

Police departments using it routinely without telling anyone is the problem. I guess it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission :(

But the problem with police in America is their policy of "If you don't play with the toys you already have, then you won't get any new toys"

You see, the way our police operate is if they have the equipment they MUST use it. If they don't use it often enough, it gets taken away. They have to prove they need it and will use it every chance they get. That's why we have S.W.A.T. teams serving warrants...

About two years ago some one made an online death threat against our police chief. The IP was traced to a house near my house and a S.W.A.T. team was sent in. They fired flash-bang grenades through the windows and busted the door down only to find an elderly lady and her grand daughter. Some one used their unsecured wi-fi to post the threat. Something similar happened in another city, only this time the flash-bang landed in a crib badly burning the sleeping infant. I even once had a S.W.A.T. team storm my house, they had the wrong address.

None of cases called for S.W.A.T. tactics, but they were used so they could maintain funding... :angry:
 
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But the problem with police in America is their policy of "If you don't play with the toys you already have, then you won't get any new toys"

You see, the way our police operate is if they have the equipment they MUST use it. If they don't use it often enough, it gets taken away. They have to prove they need it and will use it every chance they get. That's why we have S.W.A.T. teams serving warrants...

About two years ago some one made an online death threat against our police chief. The IP was traced to a house near my house and a S.W.A.T. team was sent in. They fired flash-bang grenades through the windows and busted the door down only to find an elderly lady and her grand daughter. Some one used their unsecured wi-fi to post the threat. Something similar happened in another city, only this time the flash-bang landed in a crib badly burning the sleeping infant. I even once had a S.W.A.T. team storm my house, they had the wrong address.

None of cases called for S.W.A.T. tactics, but they were used so they could maintain funding... :angry:

That swatting this is horifying - I believe it is standard policy for SWAT teams to shoot dogs on sight - killing many beloved pets for no reason when SWAT teams go to the wrong place.

IMO it is a sign of a broken policing system when the public are treated like an enemy in a war zone - assume the worst and then say sorry when you get it wrong.

I think that same mentality was grotesquely on display in Ferguson - leave aside the original shooting, and look only at the police response - it was like a scene from Iraq, only the police were too poorly trained to do it professionally, and while a real soldier will keep their weapons pointed at the ground until fired upon, the police just pointed their big guns at the crowd.

I know this will come as a shock to many Americans who believe they live in the best country in the world - but you couldn't pay me to come live in your broken country - insane guns laws, military police, a broken healthcare system and a gridlocked political system - no thanks!

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That swatting this is horifying - I believe it is standard policy for SWAT teams to shoot dogs on sight - killing many beloved pets for no reason when SWAT teams go to the wrong place.

IMO it is a sign of a broken policing system when the public are treated like an enemy in a war zone - assume the worst and then say sorry when you get it wrong.

I think that same mentality was grotesquely on display in Ferguson - leave aside the original shooting, and look only at the police response - it was like a scene from Iraq, only the police were too poorly trained to do it professionally, and while a real soldier will keep their weapons pointed at the ground until fired upon, the police just pointed their big guns at the crowd.

I know this will come as a shock to many Americans who believe they live in the best country in the world - but you couldn't pay me to come live in your broken country - insane guns laws, military police, a broken healthcare system and a gridlocked political system - no thanks!

B.

GB here we are again on the same side (oh my God - a 100% compliance!) :):):)
 
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