I stopped my crying and signed on to Oron.
Works fine here in So Cal.
Should have switched when Hammervice did many months ago.
Been following his posts since GoogleGroups a long time ago.
Now I can go back and collect material I was too cheap to pay for.
The $10 didn't break my budget, but did stopped my bitching and moaning.
Maybe time for others to face the truth.
Before Oron gets erased too.
Hope for the best for those who have been collecting money or free subscription extensions in the past from these sites.
There in for a ration of shit, big time, I'm afraid.
Kevin