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pardon me, jake and alex, can i ask u. which country u guys live and how the process adoption work for gay couple. just wondering how beautiful if every country give right to LGBT people to adopt a kids, super cute
thanks in advice
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I also agree. The names chosen are both beautiful. :thumbs up:

But any first or last name you give it, it does not matter.

Are already so loved and that's what really matters to them. :) :cheers:
 
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pardon me, jake and alex, can i ask u. which country u guys live and how the process adoption work for gay couple. just wondering how beautiful if every country give right to LGBT people to adopt a kids, super cute
thanks in advice
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Alex and I are from Canada Tyan, but to answer your question yes we have rights to adopt... in fact because I'm a multi-millionaire I would have right to adopt anyway... but just know that it doesn't matter how rich or what type of couple you are... adoption is really really a difficult process and even more with China and Haiti who are both homophobic countries... but we had an army of lawyers ready to challenge them on every grounds. At the end who will benefits from it? Them or the children? In fact both to adopt in China you can be sure that it will cost at least $30 000 in court and other fees, while in Haiti the government makes pretty much $25000 for each children that get adopted. We could have gone for national adoption, but somehow International adoption takes less time and less headache. Adopting nationally would almost take 5 years, while adopting internationally takes 2 to three years.

The administration for adopting children is completely stupid... while I understand they have to do their research to make sure the children aren't going to be enslaved or used in wrong way, they should definitely take in consideration that we had children of our own before and there's a ton of proof you have to provide, they come and check every little detail about you... not just your financial. They even found all the record where Alex tried to kill himself when he was 19-21 years old and they needed a current psychiatric profile of him. So trust me it isn't an easy task...

Now for you to understand that being gay wasn't the only obstacle, I don't know how much you have read about us... but you may have realize that Alex and I are in fact a interracial couple, I am African American and Latino Decent and Alex is Caucasian... so here's two little problem we faced when we ask for children in China... first Chinese government do prefer their children to be adopted by Asian (preferably Chinese of course :) ), but in the event that Chinese parents are not possible, they will then favorize two straight Caucasian couple... so now you can just imagine in what hot sauce we got ourselves into... First I'm black, rare are black who'd adopt Chinese children and the opposite is very true... so there was the xenophobia barrier to brake right from the start. For Chinese government Alex was okay (he's Caucasian) but I was somewhat the problem and it was very difficult for them to understand that I was the one with the huge bank account, and obviously they watch american movies and TV like every other people in the world and they had their own misconception about black people... so for them I was either a Hip Hop star or an international drug dealer lol.

Yes my friend it's that sad... in two years I have been enduring a little bit more abuse than Alex on that front... so while Alex had to prove that he was sane, I had to prove everything else... my degrees, my job, my assets, even my parents, friends and acquaintances had to vouch for me... and want the worst... my son and daughter wrote a witness letter to the committee, my late Shaolin master' sister herself wrote a letter to vouch for me... that as a black dude I was all about Chinese philosophy.

Alex faced a little bit of the same with the Haitian government but because there was a black guy in the couple, it has been much much easier for him. But trust me they didn't make it easy for him either. Alex would burst in tears every time he'd hook off the phone with the agent.

In a way by deciding to adopt, I've learned what my parents went through... and trust me I understand now that adopting a child is a lot of work... one can talk about their 8 hours labor before delivering, try 2 or three years of labors before you even get an answer whether you're accepted or not... in the mean time you can start counting a lot of thousand dollars spent in legal fees and procedures and yet you haven't been confirmed if you'd receive the kids.

Because we were gay, the Chinese government wanted us to take a kid with some genetic problems... something like dawn syndrome or other genetic malformation. Honestly we wouldn't have care to have one... but this was just pure discrimination and we refused and officially complaint to the International Adoption Society...

Alex and I have our own children, I have two and he has 1 and they all come from our own sperms, we could have just say fuck it... but this was a battle that we were not ready to loose and we didn't. So the children will be naturalized Canadian no later than next week which will place them under Canadian legislation and laws way before we go and pick them up... from now on Marika and Sasha will be Canadian with full rights.

So guys if you're thinking about adoption... be ready it's not a little adventure.
 
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Marika... pretty nice name, very female. Also very international :) Girls in Polan are also called Marika, it also reminds me operette Hrabina Marica.

I have doubts when it oges about Sasha... First of all this name can be used for girl and boy. Sasha is thypical Russian name in my opinion... But saying it is realy nice, short :)

So yes... you made good choices :)

But damn it would be aslo nice to call boy Matt (my name :D )
 
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Marika... pretty nice name, very female. Also very international :) Girls in Polan are also called Marika, it also reminds me operette Hrabina Marica.

I have doubts when it oges about Sasha... First of all this name can be used for girl and boy. Sasha is thypical Russian name in my opinion... But saying it is realy nice, short :)

So yes... you made good choices :)

But damn it would be aslo nice to call boy Matt (my name :D )

Well thank you but Matt is a name too common here... Neither I or Alex wanted a name that is too common. See Alex has a very common name, I don't and neither does my other children:

Jasmine (perhaps an old name and extremely used in Muslim country as Yasmin but not common here in Canada)
Josuah-Alexander (That's his fullname, not just Josh or Alexander)
Maria-Sandra (not common anywhere... those two are rarely mixed together)
Then Marika may be common in Polland but not in Canada
and Sasha is Alex's middle name... Alex isn't Russian and has no russian background whatsoever and in Canada and western countries Sasha is exclusively a boy's name.

I will not name any of my children with common name... they are unique and so will be their name.;)
 

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Both names are poetry on the tongue, as well as meaningful.

From what you have said, the full names might be very long and complicated. It might not be easy, but I would try to simplify. Simple and lovely.

By the way, Alex might be a common name, but Alexander is a wonderful name! It rolls off the tongue, and is of course the most famous gay icon in history.
 
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Both names are poetry on the tongue, as well as meaningful.

From what you have said, the full names might be very long and complicated. It might not be easy, but I would try to simplify. Simple and lovely.

By the way, Alex might be a common name, but Alexander is a wonderful name! It rolls off the tongue, and is of course the most famous gay icon in history.

Oh god far from me from ditching my baby's name... Alexander suit him so darn well I can't imagine him being called otherwise. And just like the Great Alexander my Alex is tall, have curly (that's when he doesn't straighten them up) blond and long beautiful hair with green and blue eyes... sometimes gray... I have a god look-a-like husband and perhaps his name is very common, but my Alex is one of a kind. I love everything about Alex even seeing him having a dump is cute, he's sick he's cute, he throws up he's cute, he blow he's nose he's cute LOL... does that tells you how I hate the dude :))
 

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I would always call him Alexander.
A regal and fabulous name for a regal and fabulous boy!

Of course, I know. Regular life is regular...even with a Greek God.
 

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Thanks for sharing your experience and giving quite an insight on the adoption procedure ... and, of-course, on the hurdles involved. I had an idea that it is not simple; however, never would have guessed to be this tiring and time consuming. {I might as well as agree with the 'labour' part ... haha}

Also, nice philosophy about the names {most parents do feel the same about their kids}... It shows how much they mean to you and to your family.

Now, get ready for the child(s) tantrums .... :-D
 
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Now, get ready for the child(s) tantrums .... :-D

The last time one of my children threw a tantrum I poured some vegetable oil on the floor with Frosted flakes cereal so when they roll in it the crunch derives their attention and they forget all about the reason they had a tantrum. In my house little spoiled brat tantrum is illegal and they'll face the family court and may get 2 nights of jail in the visitor's room where there's no TV, no toys and no books. They think twice before playing that card.

Responsibilities are taught very early in my family... my 12 years old boy haven't got a curfew since he was 9... but he learned the importance of going to bed early during school day or on Sunday... because yep you can watch tv all night long but it won't change the fact that you'll need to go to school the next day and if his grades are affected he'll face the consequences and god knows how imaginative I am when it's time to give punishment.

And I do not punish right away... just last year my son said something mean to Alex and he really believed he got away with it, but the very same summer he didn't get to go to summer camp and end up helping Alex with his green house for three weeks straight on a routine schedule. Nothing more boring for a kid than to spend days around flowers, exotic plants and veggies... well the good thing about it is that he can name most of the flowers and plants now hahahaha.

I may have tons of cash, but I'm not raising no arrogant brats;)
 

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Adopt me! I'm poor guy from province! -_-
 
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Adopt me! I'm poor guy from province! -_-

Sorry if you're Chinese... China doesn't let guys go... they only give girls for adoption lol. But I wouldn't mind adopting an 18 years old Czech or Chinese boy hahahaha :))
 

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LOL! -_- No, I'm from Europe!
 
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LOL! -_- No, I'm from Europe!

Yeah Europe is a continent... which country? LOL... I'm Canadian we learn our geography across our borders LOL... we also know that Africa isn't a country hahahaha
 

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Your ideas of punishment are surely imaginative ... :-D
 
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Your ideas of punishment are surely imaginative ... :-D
A punishment should always be paired with an opportunity for learning... if I send one of my child to the visitor's room, he/she needs to write an essay on the subject matter of their act and explain why they have been punished for the said act and what are they planning to do to rectify it... and it's not just one page... if I'm satisfied with the result the punishment will be reduced.

Obviously this works only with small offense... if they kill or beat up someone now it's a bit different... but so far nothing like that happened :) Well my son did beat up someone once but it's because the other kid was bullying him because he had gay parents. The other kid's parents were not aware of their son's behaviors
 

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Alex and I are from Canada Tyan, but to answer your question yes we have rights to adopt... in fact because I'm a multi-millionaire I would have right to adopt anyway... but just know that it doesn't matter how rich or what type of couple you are... adoption is really really a difficult process and even more with China and Haiti who are both homophobic countries... but we had an army of lawyers ready to challenge them on every grounds. At the end who will benefits from it? Them or the children? In fact both to adopt in China you can be sure that it will cost at least $30 000 in court and other fees, while in Haiti the government makes pretty much $25000 for each children that get adopted. We could have gone for national adoption, but somehow International adoption takes less time and less headache. Adopting nationally would almost take 5 years, while adopting internationally takes 2 to three years.

The administration for adopting children is completely stupid... while I understand they have to do their research to make sure the children aren't going to be enslaved or used in wrong way, they should definitely take in consideration that we had children of our own before and there's a ton of proof you have to provide, they come and check every little detail about you... not just your financial. They even found all the record where Alex tried to kill himself when he was 19-21 years old and they needed a current psychiatric profile of him. So trust me it isn't an easy task...

Now for you to understand that being gay wasn't the only obstacle, I don't know how much you have read about us... but you may have realize that Alex and I are in fact a interracial couple, I am African American and Latino Decent and Alex is Caucasian... so here's two little problem we faced when we ask for children in China... first Chinese government do prefer their children to be adopted by Asian (preferably Chinese of course :) ), but in the event that Chinese parents are not possible, they will then favorize two straight Caucasian couple... so now you can just imagine in what hot sauce we got ourselves into... First I'm black, rare are black who'd adopt Chinese children and the opposite is very true... so there was the xenophobia barrier to brake right from the start. For Chinese government Alex was okay (he's Caucasian) but I was somewhat the problem and it was very difficult for them to understand that I was the one with the huge bank account, and obviously they watch american movies and TV like every other people in the world and they had their own misconception about black people... so for them I was either a Hip Hop star or an international drug dealer lol.

Yes my friend it's that sad... in two years I have been enduring a little bit more abuse than Alex on that front... so while Alex had to prove that he was sane, I had to prove everything else... my degrees, my job, my assets, even my parents, friends and acquaintances had to vouch for me... and want the worst... my son and daughter wrote a witness letter to the committee, my late Shaolin master' sister herself wrote a letter to vouch for me... that as a black dude I was all about Chinese philosophy.

Alex faced a little bit of the same with the Haitian government but because there was a black guy in the couple, it has been much much easier for him. But trust me they didn't make it easy for him either. Alex would burst in tears every time he'd hook off the phone with the agent.

In a way by deciding to adopt, I've learned what my parents went through... and trust me I understand now that adopting a child is a lot of work... one can talk about their 8 hours labor before delivering, try 2 or three years of labors before you even get an answer whether you're accepted or not... in the mean time you can start counting a lot of thousand dollars spent in legal fees and procedures and yet you haven't been confirmed if you'd receive the kids.

Because we were gay, the Chinese government wanted us to take a kid with some genetic problems... something like dawn syndrome or other genetic malformation. Honestly we wouldn't have care to have one... but this was just pure discrimination and we refused and officially complaint to the International Adoption Society...

Alex and I have our own children, I have two and he has 1 and they all come from our own sperms, we could have just say fuck it... but this was a battle that we were not ready to loose and we didn't. So the children will be naturalized Canadian no later than next week which will place them under Canadian legislation and laws way before we go and pick them up... from now on Marika and Sasha will be Canadian with full rights.

So guys if you're thinking about adoption... be ready it's not a little adventure.


thank u so much Jake and Alex, great world.
i see, Canada, one of the most "peaceful" country in the world to gay people.

i really envy for u guys. hehehe
i wish i could marry a man i love. p:p
and i wish for your happiness guys.

hug for your children from me :big hug:
 
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thank u so much Jake and Alex, great world.
i see, Canada, one of the most "peaceful" country in the world to gay people.

i really envy for u guys. hehehe
i wish i could marry a man i love. p:p
and i wish for your happiness guys.

hug for your children from me :big hug:

Tyan my little friend... just remember that whatever you do in life it isn't written in advance... Alex is my first real boyfriend (seeing how our relationship goes, there's fat chances he'll also be the last)... I had several dudes before but they were not boyfriend material. And for you to understand Canada isn't gay friendly everywhere. Don't think you could come here and immediately be accepted as gay. Like any other countries which have open marriage for Gay, Canada is tolerant... but I can tell you that it's not everywhere. Alex and I aren't looking gay at all (well Alex being a blond and very handsome dude, he passes for a gay even if he wouldn't have been one. ;)). But we have no gay demeanor, we don't kiss in public, we don't hold hands... we both pass for two best friends always hanging together. The only time you can find out if we're actually gay (and I don't recommend that), is to threaten Alex physically or orally in my presence...:no: Not only will you learn that we're a couple... but you'll also learn that two night in hospital isn't fun :))
 

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Damn, I think I'm falling for you Jake! The things I learned about you just on this thread makes me...[sigh]...and Alex, hmmmm, the way you describe him says much how two of you are meant to be together, and how sexy he is.

Congratulation on you adoptions!

So does Alex also replies here?
 
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