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Your opinion on the term, "my partner".

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It seems that it's just the older gays who use this term perhaps because they are from a generation that wasn't allowed to marry. But to me, "my partner" just doesn't sound very...romantic I guess. And "life partner" just sounds a little corny.
No offence to those who use this term, and if you do use that term, maybe you can help me gain a better understanding of it.
I simply say "my boyfriend" or one day hopefully, "my husband".
 

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Your question seems genuine and for someone in the 'younger' generation it was phrased quite politely and respectfully. Don't worry I won't tell your friends you were polite and respectful of your elders, lol.

I use 'partner' because it best describes the relationship between the man I love and who loves me and myself. We met when we were in our twenties and have been partners for 35 years. I hope you will find a man who will be your partner in all things and the two of you will be happy and grow
"old" together as we have.

A marriage is at some level a legal partnership. There is a legal and binding contract between the parties as in a business partnership. Ask anyone who has been married and then divorced about that contract.

The term partner goes much deeper than a contract. A partner is someone you trust beyond any doubt. A partner is someone who always has your best interests at heart. As in an old western movie partners ride together, eat together, fight together and best of all sleep together ;)

In our relationship we are equals in every way. What is mine is his and what is his is mine.

We do not consider each other as a 'husband' or a 'wife'. Those words don't describe our relationship at all. In a str8 marriage the man is the husband. The origin of that word means 'Head of household' more or less:

Wikipedia

Husband:

A husband is a male in a marital relationship...

Traditionally, the husband was regarded as the head of the household, who was expected to be the sole provider or breadwinner...

The term husband refers to Middle English huseband, from Old English hūsbōnda, from Old Norse hūsbōndi (hūs, "house" + bōndi, būandi, present participle of būa, "to dwell", so, etymologically, "a householder")...

On the death of his partner, a husband is referred to as a widower and after a divorce the man may be referred to as "ex-husband" in relation to the "ex-wife"...

Wife:

A wife is a female partner in a continuing marital relationship...

The rights and obligations of the wife in relation to her partner and her status in the community and in law varies between cultures and has varied over time...

The word is of Germanic origin, from Proto-Germanic *wībam, "woman". In Middle English it had the form wif, and in Old English wīf, "woman or wife". It is related to Modern German Weib (woman, female), and may derive ultimately from the Indo-European root ghwībh- "shame; pudenda" (cf. Tocharian B kwīpe and Tocharian A kip, each meaning "female pudenda", with clear sexual overtones)...

Husbands and wives are marital 'partners' too.

It doesn't matter to me what others call their partner as long as they do it until they grow old together.
 
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Sniffit a better and tender description of the word or better of the term "PARTNER" can't be given. Thank you!
 

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I used the term "partner" in my last relationship and I LOVE the term. The term for me sounds sexy and mature. I've heard guys used the terms "boyfriend" or "my husband" where for me...and THIS IS JUST MY OPINION!!!!...the term "boyfriend" is more suitable for twinks because the majority of them are not looking for anything of long term...the majority of them are looking at being "in the moment" until the next hot guy comes along. Now, not to say that there are older gay men that acts in this behavior...but for me...its just more of a common thing for twinks to behave or act in this manner...just saying. The reason I started using it because my last partner used the term towards me whenever he would introduce me to someone and for me...when used it ...it made me feel closer to him. Again..that's just me...
 

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We use every word, interchangeably. Husband, mate, sweetheart, partner, but I agree that 'life partner' is getting too close to new-age yuckness.
There's the lovely miner's word for close male friend; marra. I love being called marra.
Most of all we say bastard, I'm his bastard, he's my bastard. It has never seemed to matter, everyone has always been unable to escape the obvious truth, that we are an item, always have been, always will be, so they better get used to it, and they always do.
 

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I love the term "companion" and "life partner"
If you're with someone for years resided and many have shared together in the life in "good and angry", then you will appreciate that term better .... if you are (too) young you this might not (yet) understand.
But that is still and it's called "life experience".
Anyway a good question to think about.
 

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I call my BF "LOVE" - he calls me "SWEETIE" and to others each of us are introducing as "MY BETTER HALF" -:) Now that was really very intimate.
 

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"Hi, this is my partner"

That doesn't tell anyone very much does it! Are you in business together? Do you play tennis together? Oh, you are building a life together!

I've opted for the generic, but friendly-sounding "better half" (also, it gets me many brownie points when people tell him I call him that even when he's not there :) ).

I'll all be much easier when we can say husband!

B.
 

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"Hi, this is my partner"

That doesn't tell anyone very much does it! Are you in business together? Do you play tennis together? Oh, you are building a life together!

I've opted for the generic, but friendly-sounding "better half" (also, it gets me many brownie points when people tell him I call him that even when he's not there :) ).

I'll all be much easier when we can say husband!

B.

No need to be snippish. I prefer 'partner' to 'husband' whether or not there is a signed marriage contract. If there is a 'husband' then who is the 'wife' in that marriage? You? No. I didn't think so.

I simply answered Gloomy_Sunday's polite and respectful question and I don't need anyone to try and diminish how my 'partner' and I refer to each other.

Love ya 'B'

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Your question seems genuine and coming from someone in the 'younger' generation it was phrased quite politely and respectfully. Don't worry I won't tell your friends you were polite and respectful of your elders, lol.

I use 'partner' because it best describes the relationship between the man I love and who loves me and myself. We met when we were in our twenties and have been partners for 35 years. I hope you will find a man who will be your partner in all things and the two of you will be happy and grow
"old" together as we have.

A marriage is at some level a legal partnership. There is a legal and binding contract between the parties as in a business partnership. Ask anyone who has been married and then divorced about that contract.

The term partner goes much deeper than a contract. A partner is someone you trust beyond any doubt. A partner is someone who always has your best interests at heart. As in an old western movie partners ride together, eat together, fight together and best of all sleep together ;)

In our relationship we are equals in every way. What is mine is his and what is his is mine.

We do not consider each other as a 'husband' or a 'wife'. Those words don't describe our relationship at all. In a str8 marriage the man is the husband. The origin of that word means 'Head of household' more or less:



Husbands and wives are marital 'partners' too.

It doesn't matter to me what others call their partner as long as they do it until they grow old together.
I'm very greatful to Sniffit for reminding me (and everybody else) that there's a particularly American take on the notion of partner that differs in important ways from the European perspective on a romanticly engaged couple, weather married or to-be-married-sooner-or-later.

I found the first articulation of this central difference reading some 20 years ago Leslie Fiedler's spectacular 500+ pages essey of literary criticism Love and Death in the American Novel published in 1960 and in many later editions.

Well what is the European 19th century novel centrally about? It's a story about a mans striving to meet a woman and get married, and all the problems that can befuddle the journey; an important version is of course the novels and plays about all the befuddling that can happen when the couple already are married.

But the fundamental symbolic structure in 19th century European literary culture is this: Heterosexual marriage, problems before and/or after.

In American 19th century literature you find something very different! You find this voice:
"- Git up on the raft agin, Huck honey!" It's the voice of Nigger Joe shouting out to Huck Finn when Huck has fallen off the raft into the mighty Mississippi.
It's the voice shouting out from Mark Twain's novel Huckleberry Finn with a vision of what the good life is. The good life, life as it should be, the kind of living we truly want to live, what ancient philosopher's called eu zen (in greek) or De beata vita (in latin)...

According to Mark Twain and the American tradition, it's the life two young boys - one of them black, the other white - live on a raft on the Mississippi, fishing to get some juicy fresh food to cook to night, chewing on some leaves of grass and the one using the others sweet butt as a cushion for his head.

So in Huckleberry Finn the partners are Huck and Joe, in James Fennimore Coopers series of novels it's Natty Bumppo and Chingasgook, and in Herman Melville's Moby Dick it's Ishmael and Queequeg.

In Owen Wister's The Virginian 1902 novel - the first real western novel - it's the virginian and his partner who is the narrative voice telling the story, but this is also the book preparing for the heteronormalization of western tradition, and American popular and litarary culture in general.

Of course I'll have to end this post by quoting Whitman's "We two boys together clinging":

We two boys together clinging,
One the other never leaving,
Up and down the roads going, North and South excursions making,
Power enjoying, elbows stretching, fingers clutching,
Arm'd and fearless, eating, drinking, sleeping, loving.
No law less then ourselves owning, sailing, soldiering, thieving,
threatening,
Misers, menials, priasts alarming, air breathing, water drinking, on
the turf of the sea beach dancing,
Cities wrenching, ease scorning, statutes mocking, feebleness chasing,
Fulfilling our foray.
 

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"If there is a 'husband' then who is the 'wife' in that marriage?"

That's the question straight men always ask isnt it, which one of you is the "man" and which one is the "woman" They are not being unfriendly, they really are struggling to understand that we are not apeing conventional marriage, there are no roles to play and no reason for us (me and my beau) to be together or to stay together, except for that one little word called love.

Do you cringe when a gay man says "he's my 'affair'," I do, it makes it sound like the relationship is already set up to fail. Beau is a nice word, I should use that more often.
 

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No need to be snippish.

I wasn't - I'm re-reading my post to try figure out how it come across that way, but I'm at a loss - I was just answering the question at the start of the thread in a light-hearted and friendly way - not even the tiniest bit of snark was intentionally put into my post.

I prefer 'partner' to 'husband' whether or not there is a signed marriage contract. If there is a 'husband' then who is the 'wife' in that marriage? You? No. I didn't think so.

Why does there have to be a wife? Why can we not be each other's husbands?

Given the origins of the word husband, a keeper, I think the only way to use that word positively is to use it symmetrically - to be each other's keepers. I really believe a partnership should be equal.

I simply answered Gloomy_Sunday's polite and respectful question and I don't need anyone to try and diminish how my 'partner' and I refer to each other.

Who diminished anything? I certainly didn't. I just answered the question honestly.

I really think you got the wrong end of the stick. Read my post as it was written, in answer to the first post in the thread. I hadn't even read your post when I wrote it.

B.
 

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Gloomy_Sunday:

It seems that it's just the older gays who use this term perhaps because they are from a generation that wasn't allowed to marry. But to me, "my partner" just doesn't sound very...romantic I guess. And "life partner" just sounds a little corny.
No offence to those who use this term, and if you do use that term, maybe you can help me gain a better understanding of it.
I simply say "my boyfriend" or one day hopefully, "my husband".

Gloomy_Sunday was asking for a better understanding of why 'older gays' use the term 'partner'. I tried to answer that question by explaining my view.

gb2000ie

"Hi, this is my partner"

That doesn't tell anyone very much does it! Are you in business together? Do you play tennis together? Oh, you are building a life together!

I've opted for the generic, but friendly-sounding "better half" (also, it gets me many brownie points when people tell him I call him that even when he's not there ).

I'll all be much easier when we can say husband!

B.

I'm not sure I see an answer to Gloomy_Sunday's question in that post ;)

dargelos

"If there is a 'husband' then who is the 'wife' in that marriage?"

That's the question straight men always ask isnt it, which one of you is the "man" and which one is the "woman" They are not being unfriendly, they really are struggling to understand that we are not apeing conventional marriage, there are no roles to play and no reason for us (me and my beau) to be together or to stay together, except for that one little word called love.

Do you cringe when a gay man says "he's my 'affair'," I do, it makes it sound like the relationship is already set up to fail. Beau is a nice word, I should use that more often.

Why then do we want to use 'conventional' labels like 'husband' for our 'partners'? ;)

I like 'Beau' a lot too but I've always thought of it as an old fashioned equivalent for a suitor or fiance.

As I said earlier... I don't question which term anyone uses for their 'significant other' as long as they use it a long time until they grow old together as my 'partner' and I have.

:D

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That doesn't tell anyone very much does it! Are you in business together? Do you play tennis together? Oh, you are building a life together!

That does sound like a snark to me. But I take your point if you hadn't read my post at the time you wrote that. Try looking at it from my POV. I wrote my 'answer' to the question then read your comment... it did look like you were making a statement about my post. It does not look like you answered the OP's question since you said you don't use the term 'partner' and that was the question - why us old gays use that term...
 
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I'm not sure I see an answer to Gloomy_Sunday's question in that post ;)

I hate text-only media - I don't know if you're being serious or not :/

If you're not - stop reading :)

If you are - keep reading!

The title of the thread:
Your opinion on the term, "my partner"

My Post:

"Hi, this is my partner"

That doesn't tell anyone very much does it! Are you in business together? Do you play tennis together? Oh, you are building a life together!

I've opted for the generic, but friendly-sounding "better half" (also, it gets me many brownie points when people tell him I call him that even when he's not there ).

I'll all be much easier when we can say husband!

B.

Those are my honest feelings about the phrase "my partner".

You may like it, that's fine, but I really don't. I know it confuses people because it confuses me when ever I hear someone say it on the radio or in person. I spend the next 10 minutes trying to figure out from the context whether they mean life partner, business partner, sports partner, music partner, or something else. It's a word with so many different meanings that I think it's lost it's usefulness if you are trying to communicate clearly.

It's just a matter of taste - I don't think any less of your for liking a word I believe doesn't work well. Equally, I'm not going to pretend I don't dislike a word just because someone does like it.

B.
 

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Yes B. I was being serious and thank you for clarifying your post for me.

I read the OP and I've read all the posts that followed. That's what I usually do in these discussion threads. I assumed others did the same.

Gloomy_Sunday's original post didn't seem judgmental. As someone who uses the term 'partner' and being of the 'older gays' generation he referred to my post was intended to give him insight into why I use the term 'partner'.

The misunderstanding was entirely my fault. I assumed you read my post and made comments that included my insight.

I'm sorry I assumed you read my post. I will try not to make that mistake again :)
 
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I read the OP and I've read all the posts that followed. That's what I usually do in these discussion threads. I assumed others did the same.

On topics that ask for an opinion on something, I do the opposite - I post without reading so my first post is my unbiased opinion, then I read what everyone else wrote, and reply as appropriate. Sometimes I change my mind, often I don't, but I do almost always learn something along the way.

When I reply I do my best to always quote the specific text I'm replying to, or at least name the user I'm responding to - that way it's clear that it's a reply.

B.
 
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