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Pope Benedict XVI in shock resignation
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No thanks - you can keep the mess Mussolini made
Given how rich the church is, I'm shocked it is costing Italian tax payers money
B.
The italian governments, they never wanted to provide official data, but according to some sources of journalistic investigations, it seems that the 30 percent or so of the real estate capital is owned by the Church (without considering the land ownership, these very considerable).
The absurd thing is that the State intervenes with his own expense, for the restructuring and conditioning Handling of many of these properties
At the Church is donated most of eight per thousand in tax revenue overall Italian (a huge sum, staggering, well a billion and one hundred and forty million euro in 2012).
The business of the Church, though they operate for profit, are exempt from paying taxes.
The Italian State shall also provide, free, law enforcement personnel to control and vigilance in the Vatican State.
The Vatican State has its own bank, out of the control of external bodies. This allowed riclicare dirty money freely, finance dictators and crooks. Repeatedly implicated in scandals, investigations and prosecutions of all kinds, including murders.
But the Italian judiciary often has his hands tied, for mutual agreement between the State and the Church.
This is a summary table of contents, but gives a good idea of transparency economic and policy of the Catholic Church.
They told us that Jesus Christ is risen two thousand years ago. I wish it would rise again now, the accompagnerei happy to make a trip to Rome and surroundings, to see the "Christian Charity of His Church." He who had chased the merchants from the Temple, and he shared the bread with the poor.
This is the institution that is opposed to gay marriage :? ..... because it is immoral.
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You really like the Roman Catholic Church very much, Sal.
How religious is Italy? Here in Jirmeny where I live I don't get bothered by the church fortunately. I'm glad I don't live in Bavaria
It's a shame. In German TV there were special reports made by the Bavarain Broadcast and it was a pain to watch. The Vatican could have made those itself...
For example one of the "critical" and "investigative" questions they asked a bishop was "What did you find most impressive about Benedict XVI.?"
And who will it be? Another European? Possibly not, it's time to show that the church is a worldwide organisation. Someone from Africa? They're told to be very conservative. Someone from Latin-America? I don't think they have a chance since everybody would fear they'd start reforms and we would not want that, would we? So it will be most likely this guy here:
I think he's cute. Looks more like Yoda than the Emperor.
How religious is Italy? Here in Jirmeny where I live I don't get bothered by the church fortunately. I'm glad I don't live in Bavaria
It's a shame. In German TV there were special reports made by the Bavarain Broadcast and it was a pain to watch. The Vatican could have made those itself...
For example one of the "critical" and "investigative" questions they asked a bishop was "What did you find most impressive about Benedict XVI.?"
And who will it be? Another European? Possibly not, it's time to show that the church is a worldwide organisation. Someone from Africa? They're told to be very conservative. Someone from Latin-America? I don't think they have a chance since everybody would fear they'd start reforms and we would not want that, would we?
So it will be most likely this guy here:
I think he's cute. Looks more like Yoda than the Emperor.
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From ITCCS org
Pope Benedict to seek immunity and protection from Italian President Giorgio Napolitano on February 23
Posted on February 14, 2013 by itccs
International Tribunal calls on Napolitano to "not collude in criminality", and announces global campaign to occupy Vatican property and launch human rights inquiry in Italy
Rome (9 am local time):
Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, has scheduled a meeting with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano for Saturday, February 23 to discuss securing protection and immunity from prosecution from the Italian government, according to Italian media sources.
Ratzinger's meeting follows upon the apparent receipt by the Vatican of a diplomatic note from an undisclosed European government on February 4, stating its intention to issue an arrest warrant for Ratzinger, who resigned from his pontificate less than a week later.
In response to the February 23 meeting, the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS), through its field Secretary, Rev. Kevin Annett, has written to President Napolitano, asking him to refrain from assisting Ratzinger in evading justice.
The ITCCS letter states, in part,
"I need not remind you, Mr. President, that under international law and treaties that have been ratified by Italy, you and your government are forbidden from granting such protection to those like Joseph Ratzinger who have aided and abetted criminal actions, such as ordering Bishops and Cardinals in America and elsewhere to protect known child rapists among their clergy.
"Your obligation to the Vatican through the Lateran Treaty does not negate or nullify the requirements of these higher moral and international laws; nor does it require that you give any protection or immunity to a single individual like Joseph Ratzinger, especially after he has left his papal office."
In response to the do
ented crimes of child torture, trafficking and genocide linked to Pope Benedict and Vatican officials, the ITCCS will be sponsoring a series of ongoing protests and occupations of Roman Catholic churches and offices through its affiliates around the world beginning in Easter week, March 24-31, 2013, and continuing indefinitely.
These actions will accompany the legal efforts to bring Joseph Ratzinger and other Vatican officials to trial for their proven complicity in crimes against humanity and criminal conspiracy.
The Easter Reclamation Campaign will seize church property and assets to prevent their use by child raping priests, who are protected under Catholic canon law. Citizens have this right to defend their communities and children when the authorities refuse to do so, under international law.
Rev. Kevin Annett and an official delegation from the ITCCS Central Office will also be convening a formal human rights inquiry in Rome commencing the week of May 13, 2013, to consider further charges against the Vatican and its new Pope for crimes against humanity and obstruction of justice.
Rev. Annett and his delegation will be working with organizations across Italy in this investigation. In 2009 and 2010, he held rallies outside the Vatican and met with media and human rights groups across Italy to charge the Vatican with the death of more than 50,000 aboriginal children in Canada...
Pope Benedict to seek immunity and protection from Italian President Giorgio Napolitano on February 23
Posted on February 14, 2013 by itccs
International Tribunal calls on Napolitano to "not collude in criminality", and announces global campaign to occupy Vatican property and launch human rights inquiry in Italy
Rome (9 am local time):
Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, has scheduled a meeting with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano for Saturday, February 23 to discuss securing protection and immunity from prosecution from the Italian government, according to Italian media sources.
Ratzinger's meeting follows upon the apparent receipt by the Vatican of a diplomatic note from an undisclosed European government on February 4, stating its intention to issue an arrest warrant for Ratzinger, who resigned from his pontificate less than a week later.
In response to the February 23 meeting, the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS), through its field Secretary, Rev. Kevin Annett, has written to President Napolitano, asking him to refrain from assisting Ratzinger in evading justice.
The ITCCS letter states, in part,
"I need not remind you, Mr. President, that under international law and treaties that have been ratified by Italy, you and your government are forbidden from granting such protection to those like Joseph Ratzinger who have aided and abetted criminal actions, such as ordering Bishops and Cardinals in America and elsewhere to protect known child rapists among their clergy.
"Your obligation to the Vatican through the Lateran Treaty does not negate or nullify the requirements of these higher moral and international laws; nor does it require that you give any protection or immunity to a single individual like Joseph Ratzinger, especially after he has left his papal office."
In response to the do
ented crimes of child torture, trafficking and genocide linked to Pope Benedict and Vatican officials, the ITCCS will be sponsoring a series of ongoing protests and occupations of Roman Catholic churches and offices through its affiliates around the world beginning in Easter week, March 24-31, 2013, and continuing indefinitely.These actions will accompany the legal efforts to bring Joseph Ratzinger and other Vatican officials to trial for their proven complicity in crimes against humanity and criminal conspiracy.
The Easter Reclamation Campaign will seize church property and assets to prevent their use by child raping priests, who are protected under Catholic canon law. Citizens have this right to defend their communities and children when the authorities refuse to do so, under international law.
Rev. Kevin Annett and an official delegation from the ITCCS Central Office will also be convening a formal human rights inquiry in Rome commencing the week of May 13, 2013, to consider further charges against the Vatican and its new Pope for crimes against humanity and obstruction of justice.
Rev. Annett and his delegation will be working with organizations across Italy in this investigation. In 2009 and 2010, he held rallies outside the Vatican and met with media and human rights groups across Italy to charge the Vatican with the death of more than 50,000 aboriginal children in Canada...
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Roman Church admits the Pope’s Guilt: Joseph Ratzinger to Evade Justice and Hide out in the Vatican for his own legal immunity and “protection”
Posted on February 16, 2013 by itccs
Exclusive Breaking News: Friday February 15, 2013
12 midnight GMT
An Urgent Update from the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS) – Brussels
Rome:
In a statement to Reuters today, Vatican officials announced that Joseph Ratzinger will remain a permanent resident of Vatican City after his resignation. Doing so will offer him legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources said today
"His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless".
This startling admission of guilt by the church is also a direct obstruction of justice, and lends more weight to the charge by the ITCCS and others that the Vatican has arranged with the Italian government to shield Ratzinger from criminal prosecution, in violation of international laws ratified by Italy...
Posted on February 16, 2013 by itccs
Exclusive Breaking News: Friday February 15, 2013
12 midnight GMT
An Urgent Update from the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS) – Brussels
Rome:
In a statement to Reuters today, Vatican officials announced that Joseph Ratzinger will remain a permanent resident of Vatican City after his resignation. Doing so will offer him legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources said today
"His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless".
This startling admission of guilt by the church is also a direct obstruction of justice, and lends more weight to the charge by the ITCCS and others that the Vatican has arranged with the Italian government to shield Ratzinger from criminal prosecution, in violation of international laws ratified by Italy...
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You really like the Roman Catholic Church very much, Sal.
How religious is Italy? Here in Jirmeny where I live I don't get bothered by the church fortunately. I'm glad I don't live in Bavaria
It's a shame. In German TV there were special reports made by the Bavarain Broadcast and it was a pain to watch. The Vatican could have made those itself...
For example one of the "critical" and "investigative" questions they asked a bishop was "What did you find most impressive about Benedict XVI.?"
And who will it be? Another European? Possibly not, it's time to show that the church is a worldwide organisation. Someone from Africa? They're told to be very conservative. Someone from Latin-America? I don't think they have a chance since everybody would fear they'd start reforms and we would not want that, would we?
I think he's cute. Looks more like Yoda than the Emperor.
NEW POPE in RED he would BE!
(and I'm catholic...kinda)
g33
This is a big fake/hoax.
This "ITCCS" doesn't even have an entry at wikipedia and the website belongs to some calfornian housewife as far as I have read it.
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Too bad if ITCCS is a fake - I wish it were not.
And btw, the EU gave the Vatican 2013 deadline to make their bank comply with EU banking regulations. A recent report says there is still much work to do - not surprisingly.
And btw, the EU gave the Vatican 2013 deadline to make their bank comply with EU banking regulations. A recent report says there is still much work to do - not surprisingly.
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From ITCCS org
Pope Benedict to seek immunity and protection from Italian President Giorgio Napolitano on February 23
Posted on February 14, 2013 by itccs
International Tribunal calls on Napolitano to "not collude in criminality", and announces global campaign to occupy Vatican property and launch human rights inquiry in Italy
Rome (9 am local time):
Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, has scheduled a meeting with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano for Saturday, February 23 to discuss securing protection and immunity from prosecution from the Italian government, according to Italian media sources.
Ratzinger's meeting follows upon the apparent receipt by the Vatican of a diplomatic note from an undisclosed European government on February 4, stating its intention to issue an arrest warrant for Ratzinger, who resigned from his pontificate less than a week later.
In response to the February 23 meeting, the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS), through its field Secretary, Rev. Kevin Annett, has written to President Napolitano, asking him to refrain from assisting Ratzinger in evading justice.
The ITCCS letter states, in part,
"I need not remind you, Mr. President, that under international law and treaties that have been ratified by Italy, you and your government are forbidden from granting such protection to those like Joseph Ratzinger who have aided and abetted criminal actions, such as ordering Bishops and Cardinals in America and elsewhere to protect known child rapists among their clergy.
"Your obligation to the Vatican through the Lateran Treaty does not negate or nullify the requirements of these higher moral and international laws; nor does it require that you give any protection or immunity to a single individual like Joseph Ratzinger, especially after he has left his papal office."
In response to the do
These actions will accompany the legal efforts to bring Joseph Ratzinger and other Vatican officials to trial for their proven complicity in crimes against humanity and criminal conspiracy.
The Easter Reclamation Campaign will seize church property and assets to prevent their use by child raping priests, who are protected under Catholic canon law. Citizens have this right to defend their communities and children when the authorities refuse to do so, under international law.
Rev. Kevin Annett and an official delegation from the ITCCS Central Office will also be convening a formal human rights inquiry in Rome commencing the week of May 13, 2013, to consider further charges against the Vatican and its new Pope for crimes against humanity and obstruction of justice.
Rev. Annett and his delegation will be working with organizations across Italy in this investigation. In 2009 and 2010, he held rallies outside the Vatican and met with media and human rights groups across Italy to charge the Vatican with the death of more than 50,000 aboriginal children in Canada...
Utter and complete hogwash, bullshit, cods-wallop.......slander and calumny.
Shame on you douche-bags for posting vilifying, false and totally unverified crap as if it were the absolute truth.:no:
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It's sad to see more utter BS after the Nazi shit.
I said it before and I'll say it again, by making up or spreading bullshit people damage the very real case against the man and the church. There is no need to lower one's self to the level of the tabloid press when the actual facts are on your side!
Lets stay focused on the facts and take the time to write to our elected representatives urging them to stand up for kids all over the world. The law, the facts, and morality are all on our side.
B.
I said it before and I'll say it again, by making up or spreading bullshit people damage the very real case against the man and the church. There is no need to lower one's self to the level of the tabloid press when the actual facts are on your side!
Lets stay focused on the facts and take the time to write to our elected representatives urging them to stand up for kids all over the world. The law, the facts, and morality are all on our side.
B.
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Agree. And that wasn't even a tabloid. That was a press release from some unknown organization.
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I was raised a strict catholic and served as an altar boy all through school (my mom made us go to daily mass so it was like a 24/7 job for a kid)
I always respected the history and the beliefs but they gave me a great moral grounding but as I grew I realized i disagreed with many of the churchs' doctrines and beliefs.
I never stopped being a Catholic in name....but I also left catholocism behind as I moved into the real world. There are just too many individuals in the world with their own unique situations to try to apply a single litmus test and pretend only MY RELIGION is right in every case for every situation!
To me...it's not the religion or beliefs you subscribe too that's the problem...it's the INSISTENCE that only YOUR beliefs are correct and everyone else is going to hell becuase they don't believe EVERYTHING you believe when the philosophy is all just really...not to dumb it down but...JUST BE NICE TO EVERYONE!
peace buddies!
g33
I always respected the history and the beliefs but they gave me a great moral grounding but as I grew I realized i disagreed with many of the churchs' doctrines and beliefs.
I never stopped being a Catholic in name....but I also left catholocism behind as I moved into the real world. There are just too many individuals in the world with their own unique situations to try to apply a single litmus test and pretend only MY RELIGION is right in every case for every situation!
To me...it's not the religion or beliefs you subscribe too that's the problem...it's the INSISTENCE that only YOUR beliefs are correct and everyone else is going to hell becuase they don't believe EVERYTHING you believe when the philosophy is all just really...not to dumb it down but...JUST BE NICE TO EVERYONE!
peace buddies!
g33
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Tom
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At Garth33,
Was raised the exact same way. My family is sooooo religous. They feel bad that I don't go to church anymore.
Roman Catholic schools for 12 years. Altar boy serving mass 7 days a week.... guess it wore me out.
The real issue I had was how they beg and plead and call for money non stop, that's what really turned me off.
Was raised the exact same way. My family is sooooo religous. They feel bad that I don't go to church anymore.
Roman Catholic schools for 12 years. Altar boy serving mass 7 days a week.... guess it wore me out.
The real issue I had was how they beg and plead and call for money non stop, that's what really turned me off.
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I gues these words aren't from bible or a Sunday preaching in church (?)
Anyway, I'm allways nice to these who are nice to me. Nothing less nothing more.
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*sigh* more un-substantiated hear-say.
