Brexit - to leave or not to leave - that is the question tonite

[skyward]

A Frexit referendum. Not a matter of if, but when?:thinking:

 

[skyward]

Britain Votes Merkel Out Of Office, Too

Interesting to see such a position in a German paper. Like Cameron, should Merkel now resign also?

 

[Shelter]

Britain Votes Merkel Out Of Office, Too

Interesting to see such a position in a German paper. Like Cameron, should Merkel now resign also?

I'v e read this article too because it is my daily newspaper. Not every word there will find my approval - but yes this paper is correct: Ms. Merkel should resign at once. With her policy she is the gravedigger of the EU.

 

[JeroenS]

Good idea to have a FREXIT!

The whole idea of north-west-east and south Europe united is simply impossible!

Since you have to deal with the strong economy of the "north" with an almost bancrupt economy of the east and south.

It would be better to have 3 European Unions, 1 for the north (Scandinavia, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, Austria and the Baltics), 1 for the east rest of former Warsaw Pact countries) and 1 for the south (Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Greece).

Then they could all work in their own speed to realizing their own European dream

Also as soon as possible STOP with the Euro! It is costing too much!!!

Better have 3 currencies so the east and south European countries can devaluate their currency without damaging the north economies

 

[JeroenS]

 

[JeroenS]

 

[topdog]

...The whole idea of north-west-east and south Europe united is simply impossible! Since you have to deal with the strong economy of the "north" with an almost bankrupt economy of the east and south....

But I think the point is that by mixing a variety of economies you are spreading the risk so no one country will go down in flames. Today France is strong, maybe in five years Spain and Italy rebounds when France is having problems. Together the union is able to weather storms that would devastate individual countries.

 

[haiducii]

People who voted to get out of EU think exactly like this girl!

 

[skyward]

George Soros is saying Brexit makes EU's dissolution 'practically irreversible'.

Wow. Didn't expect to ever hear him of all people utter such words.

 

[skyward]

 

[JeroenS]

[QUOTE/]But I think the point is that by mixing a variety of economies you are spreading the risk so no one country will go down in flames. Today France is strong, maybe in five years Spain and Italy rebounds when France is having problems. Together the union is able to weather storms that would devastate individual countries.[/QUOTE]

Topdog I disagree with you, fact is the countries in the east and south hardly produce anything which is needed (better say is wanted) in the north!

Besides the differences in income are too big, if lets say Spanish or Romanian companies have to pay the same salaries as workers get in the north they all would be bancrupt in weeks...

Face it, what does let's say Greece produce what is wanted/needed in let's say Germany? Ok olives, cheese and tourism. Yet the Greek farmer wants to have a car, do you have any idea how many olives he must sell to buy a car? And not to mention how many olives do German people have to eat so all Greek farmers can buy a car?

If they get their own currency the tourism would grow, since it would be cheaper for north Europeans to take a trip to Greece then it is now, Greece (and all medeteranian countries) would get a huge impuls in the tourism sector!

They will be cheaper as the places many north Europeans go now to have some sun (a vacation in Turkey or even in Gambia is cheaper now then a vacation in Greece, thanks to the EU/Euro...)

 

[skinjo9]

Well I am pleased that there are quite a few sensible guys here such as skyward,Jeroens,gb2000ie,but I do find comments by ihno very funny, not useful, but funny. obviously an EU member who doesn't have a long memory or interest in the EU cock ups that have hit all countries contained within it. Not being nasty ihno just honest lol. You have no idea 0f the resilience of the British people, not turkeys at all, but you may be an ostrich with your head stuck in the sand. Perhaps you would be better rimming the arse of Hollande, at least you would get fun from it lol, well if you are into old men that is... joke!!!.... before you hit me with a terrard of queenie tongue lashing lol
seriously though thank you ihno for putting a different view, that's democracy working.
Re jeanlouis comment, The side that wins stops the killing, the german state of 1939 - 45 would have gone on killing forever until they had just an Aryan race, and many gays, gypsies, Jews, children and disabled people all died for freedom.something taken for granted these days, and obviously still taunted today when aspired too.in the end the UK guys died for nothing it would seem as England gave away in peace time nearly everything worth having to europe, germany in particular. shame on the bureaucrats who did this in our name.
What did my grandfather die for in the end?, democracy, and I will stand for it every second until i die.
we in the Uk know that we will be better off soon, just a hiccup in markets and currency, that can be sorted, losing your sovereignty can never be allowed and I have made a lot of money in my lifetime being self employed and paying my guys very well indeed, as ,
if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. there are very few people here who are honestly poor, just playing the game lol.... just saying.... great thread bye the way, Perhaps a gay prime minister should be put in no10 instead of all these hetty wankers.sorry if I have been too controversial, I didn't mean to be honest, Finally to haiducii, great funny clip, but you wrote the wrong adage, its the remain group that think like that ok!! xx

 

[skyward]

rimming the arse of Hollande

What an image.



:rofl:

 

[yorkie]

As a Brit who voted to remain I was of course very sad at the outcome of the vote but as a believer in democracy I have to accept it which of course I do.When I read and hear some of the comments coming from the rest of Europe about punishing the U.K. in any future agreement between the EU and the UK I find it harder to explain to people here who voted leave that Europe is our friend and neighbour and close cooperation is in all our interests.
My parents generation came to Europes aid (with I know many other brave people from other European countries) during our continents darkest hour and to hear these same countries sneering and threatening to make us pay for daring to vote leave leaves me very sad and fearful for the future if other countries take the same path as the UK

 

[skyward]

Yorkie when they get over blaming and threatening the Brits, perhaps they will finally cast their critical eye on the EU itself and demand massive reform. Otherwise it's only a matter of time before the next country demands a vote, and votes to leave. For god's sake even George Soros is saying the EU's dissolution is 'practically irreversible'. If that isn't a wake-up call, I dunno what is.

 

[skyward]

 

[ihno]

@yorkie: I guess Cameron has provoked some that reaction with this speech in the first place.

http://anonym.to/http://www.nytimes...ope/david-cameron-speech-transcript.html?_r=1

He treated it as an ordinary inner-issue of the UK. "Ok, let's wait till the next regular(!) meeting of the Toires, which will be in... ahm... October, is that right? Till then nothing happens." That's not the way I would treat neighbours and friends.

The Brexit doesn't just concern the people on those islands but on about 420 000 people in Europe.

And it's rather baffling that - obviously - nobody in the UK has made any plans for the case that the Brexit side wins. It's a kindergarden that unfolds (to say it friendly).

I tried to find the interview with this Soros. I found this one:

http://anonym.to/https://www.thegua...xit-crash-pound-living-standards-george-soros

Quote: "A vote for Brexit would make some people very rich – but most voters considerably poorer." Date: Jun 20

And the "falling apart"-part
This one here?

http://anonym.to/https://www.projec...ntegration-inevitable-by-george-soros-2016-06

A quote from this one: "Moreover, the UK itself may not survive. Scotland, which voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU, can be expected to make another attempt to gain its independence, and some officials in Northern Ireland, where voters also backed Remain, have already called for unification with the Republic of Ireland."

A smart observer indeed. The "Eu will fall" is an older tune he sings btw.

And it's a person who made millions by speculating against his own country in 1992. How do you call those people? Raiders? We call them Heuschrecken.

 

[skyward]

Speaking of kindergarden...

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[skyward]

cnbc.com: Brexit wound: UK vote makes EU decline 'practically irreversible', Soros says


forbes.com: George Soros: The European Union Is Heading For A 'Disorderly Disintegration'


ITV.com: Investor George Soros: the disintegration of the EU is 'practically irreversible'


bbc.com: Soros warns of EU disintegration


independent.co.uk: George Soros says Brexit has made the disintegration of the EU practically irreversible

Quite shocking. :/

 

[gb2000ie]

Good idea to have a FREXIT!

The whole idea of north-west-east and south Europe united is simply impossible!

Since you have to deal with the strong economy of the "north" with an almost bancrupt economy of the east and south.

It would be better to have 3 European Unions, 1 for the north (Scandinavia, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, Austria and the Baltics), 1 for the east rest of former Warsaw Pact countries) and 1 for the south (Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Greece).

Then they could all work in their own speed to realizing their own European dream

Also as soon as possible STOP with the Euro! It is costing too much!!!

Better have 3 currencies so the east and south European countries can devaluate their currency without damaging the north economies

I see you've written Ireland out of your little re-make

The single currency is a terrible idea as-it-stands. Single currencies can work over vastly disparate economies, assuming there are mechanism for redistribution. Just look at the USA - there are very rich states, and very poor states, but because there is proper over-arching governance, it works. Europe is missing the mechanisms to make the Euro viable, because, Euro nations will not hand over the sovereignty needed to make a single currency work.

Either ditch the idea, or go all the way. This limbo is a disaster, and it is very clearly not working!

However, regardless of what you do currency-wise, you do not want three EUs. You want one big EU with one big open market which benefits everyone. You don't need currency union to have a single market - the pre-Euro EU proved that, and the UK-containing EU proved that.

B.