Christians ‘Must Be Willing to Die’ to Stop Gay Marriage

[tonka]

Your English might not be the best, Sal.
But your wisdom translates just fine.

 

[lhardwick69]

its funny people says the bible speaks of love peace and understanding--but you read about how god told noah to build a ark put two of each life form on it as theres going to be a big flood-

you have god--turning his back on his only son ashe hung there dying-- for our sins--how about father of the year award for god--

more people have been killed in the name of god(Christian god) than most other religions combined--

salem witch trials--if you burn at the stake and die then you weren't a witch how stupid people can get is beyond me-

to me religion is a crutch for the weak minded---even at the time of the birth of Christianity--people were so desperate to believe in something as times were bad--jesus was born of a virgin--mother--if we try to say that today the mother would be put in a nuthouse--

if a guy went around saying he was the messiah he would be put in a nuthouse filled full of thorozine --when jesus body disappeared from his grave they say he rose from the dead--when in all actuality some guys took his body and burned it

I guess I am coming off as an atheist-- then that would be labeling me being atheist as my religion-- but there is so many problems in the bible that contradicts itself I just cant see how religion has become so big--

as for gay marriage--straight people have made a mockery of it over the past 20 yrs-- get married and within 6 months to a year out here having baby after baby --a lot of mothers raising their kids alone and some fathers as well because they want to whore around instead of keeping their vows--

shows like maury povich show showing guys and women proving that they are the father or not-- and these women get upset when it shows that they whored around they cry and moan..

but with gay marriage maybe they will put the vows to use and prove love conquers all---not out here screwing everything that walks because of afraid to make that committment

 

[gb2000ie]

its funny people says the bible speaks of love peace and understanding--but you read about how god told noah to build a ark put two of each life form on it as theres going to be a big flood-

No - JESUS speaks of love and peace. The old testament is actually Jewish, and does not apply to Christians. The whole point of Christianity is that the God of the Jews, and of the old testament is the god of Christians, but before Jesus he had an old covenant (read contract) with man, with lots and lots of thou shalt nots, and thou shalts, like insisting on circision, banning the eating of pork and shellfish, and banning men lying with me. Jesus brought Christians a new covenant (i.e. a new contract with God) in which the old rules no longer applied. This is why Christians can eat pork even though the old testament forbids it, and why Christians do not have to be circised.

Jesus replaced the old testament rules with the rule of love "love thy neighbour".

The new covenant changed lots of things - "an eye for an eye" was replaced with "turn the other cheek". If you actually understand Christianity, you know that none of the rules in Leviticus apply to you. You know that you do not have to slice off bits of your willy, that you can eat meat, that shellfish are fine, and that you can wear cloths made of different fabrics. The problem is that the "man should not lie with man" bit ALSO does not apply, because it is in Leviticus along with the shellfish and the pork etc..

The Christians who cite the old testament to justify their hate are actually following Jewish law not Christian law, and they are too ignorant to even understand how wrong they are.

you have god--turning his back on his only son ashe hung there dying-- for our sins--how about father of the year award for god--

That's just a metaphor for sacrifice, which was a common practice 2,000 years ago. God loved us so much he sacrificed his own son for us. As perverted as it sounds to modern minds, that is the ultimate expression of love.

more people have been killed in the name of god(Christian god) than most other religions combined--

I think you are very wrong here. You're confusing the western world with the world as a whole.

salem witch trials--if you burn at the stake and die then you weren't a witch how stupid people can get is beyond me-

Tooooootaly un-justified scripturally, every bit as perverted as the modern gay-hating. The new covenant does not in any way condone that kind of carry on, again, mixing up the old covenant with the new!

to me religion is a crutch for the weak minded---even at the time of the birth of Christianity--people were so desperate to believe in something as times were bad--jesus was born of a virgin--mother--if we try to say that today the mother would be put in a nuthouse--

I think you've being spectacularly judgemental here, and while I agree religion is not for me, it is not only for the weak minded. You sound like a complete ass when you condemn a few billion people as fools in one stroke.

if a guy went around saying he was the messiah he would be put in a nuthouse filled full of thorozine --when jesus body disappeared from his grave they say he rose from the dead--when in all actuality some guys took his body and burned it

Maybe. Perhaps even probably, but you were not there, so you can't know that.

I guess I am coming off as an atheist-- then that would be labeling me being atheist as my religion-- but there is so many problems in the bible that contradicts itself I just cant see how religion has become so big--

No - you're coming off as a fanatic atheist, every bit as extreme as those you judge so harshly.

as for gay marriage--straight people have made a mockery of it over the past 20 yrs-- get married and within 6 months to a year out here having baby after baby --a lot of mothers raising their kids alone and some fathers as well because they want to whore around instead of keeping their vows--

Wow - you really are being spectacularly judgemental. You take the extremes, and pretend that every marriage that doesn't work out is because people want to whore around. *shakes head* Is that kind of bigotry really any better than what you condemn?

shows like maury povich show showing guys and women proving that they are the father or not-- and these women get upset when it shows that they whored around they cry and moan..

but with gay marriage maybe they will put the vows to use and prove love conquers all---not out here screwing everything that walks because of afraid to make that committment

Gay people will break their vows too. And the religions right will do EXACTLY what you did, and judge all gays by the worst gays, just like you did with straight people.

There are, without a shadow of a doubt, many religious nuts, but, not all nuts are religious, and not all religious people are nuts.

You paint a childish black-and-white picture of the world, but in reality it's full of shades of grey.

B.

 

[Demetrius]

They don't read the book in it's original language

 

[bigsal]

Bigsal I am impressed at how well you get your meaning across in spite of the clumsy google translate not choosing the exact word you wanted. You and others here say agnostic rather than atheist. The former does not firmly believe in god, the latter firmly believes in the non existence of god. I believe in god as a construct, something that has a firm existence in human minds and absolutely no existence in reality. When we watch the Simpsons we know it's only a cartoon yet Homer Marge Bart and Lisa have a reality in our heads.
What we need is someone with conventional religious views to stop this discussion from getting one sided but I guess those types don't join gay porn groups do they?

I confirm that I am agnostic. I do not believe in any God and is not a choice, it is derived from my curiosity about the things you do not know and especially do not understand.

Besides at passion for many fields of study, carried out all by himself (biology, history, geology, archeology, theology, etc..), The field of study most enlightening, and aimhè shocking. was astronomy. A topic that interests a few, perhaps because scary.
In practice, those involved in this matter, he becomes aware that the length of our lives is not measurable in the universe. Practically we do not exist.

So think of a superior being who has created the "nothing" is hard to believe.

There are many other questions, too, about Religions Of Gods and so on, all unanswered questions. But one thing I've learned well, the believer always has the right answer, the one that most suits them.

Unfortunately, many people take refuge in abstract things, more are inexplicable, more are attracted to. The important thing for them is to have faith.
But are you ever wondered if the God in whom they believe is the right one?
As we all know, there is not only one religion on this planet, and "luckily" the gods the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Scandinavians, Maya, Inca, etc., have gone out of fashion, otherwise confusion would have been greater.

This message is purely for the sake of argument, without wanting to offend many believers in this forum.

A word of advice, however, I'll give it, you do some study of astronomy, but please, do not stop only at our solar system, but beyond our galaxy, there are billions other galaxies.

@ Tonka
Thanks for the kind words. For to write, review and correct this post, it took me over an hour.

 

[dargelos]

To go back to where we started from, the Benham brothers, on their own website there is a page devoted to the sale of branded merch. Teeshirts and baseball caps with the brothers own name label, and its not cheap. Somebody must buy the stuff, if only the boys themselves. One of the things god admires in a christian is humility. Lots of humility in printing teeshirts with your own name on.
Listening to them talk, Hughie Green must be spinning in his grave with jealousy at the spray-on sincerity. These devout christians make me laugh, like anyone should give a damn what such a pair of numpties think about gay marriage.

 

[tonka]

Let's remember how this thread started.
Two brothers have a cable tv show about real estate. The show probably has around twenty viewers. Five of those viewers are gay guys who think the brothers are hot.

How to gin up some interest? Controversy! Say something outrageous and a few tea party types might tune in. And a few guy guys, of course. Even gay heaven has a thread about these dumb asses. Sniffit? Have a brother fetish? I never had the chance to play with brothers (the Lawrence brothers!), but if I had....

America is moving in the opposite direction. A few short years ago, my liberal state was the only place where gay people could marry.
Just recently Kentucky's marriage laws were thrown out by a court. Kentucky, where gays were vilified, but bang your sister on a Saturday night? Drunken fun! Bang the dog on a Wednesday afternoon? It passes the time. Bang the pot roast before the wife gets home to cook? It's a tenderizer!

OK. I've never been to Kentucky. But I've been around. America has moved towards full rights for lots of marginalized people in my lifetime. Unfinished, of course. Unrecognized, since it has happened over lifetimes. But it's a real and powerful thing.
And brothers dumbass can't do anything about it.

 

[lhardwick69]

funny how someone quotes every line I mentioned but yes more people have been killed in the name of christianities god than many religions combined--google it you will see--remember how many people were killed in the great flood and how many Christians put so called witches to death--and if had illness it was a sign of evil and were killed in named of god--so yes its true



as for rest of your quotes I hate god I hate religion of any form--if you believe in him so much then why be gay-- theres no way around it--any church you go to the preachers will say being a fag will burn in hell--I don't make the rules I just know them----as for marriages at least for most part after two men or two women get divorced there wont be a kid for tax payers to support--the area I live at see it every day marriages break up because he sleeping with another woman or she is sleeping with another man and the woman is left with the child she whines cant raise her child goes to welfare cries a story and bam taxpayers dollars supporting kids we never had the system is screwed up and the lower and middle class is paying for it...


as for the brother story even though things occurred when I was younger with my oldest brother--do I think he is hot now fuck no--and if these brothers want to act a particular way--then it is no ones decision to judge or deem them stupid or dumbasses

 

[theseeker]

if you believe in him so much then why be gay-- theres no way around it--any church you go to the preachers will say being a fag will burn in hell--

^This.... If it's such a sin to the point that we deserve to burn in hell, then why are we "created" in the first place? Are you telling me that your so-called benevolent god just decides to go "fuck this guy in particular" and create him with all sorts of in-built bullshit 'sins' such that he gets to burn in hell for all eternity no matter what? If that's the case, then I'm not sure I want to practice your religion anyway, your god's evil as fuck!

 

[Blacky94]

^This.... If it's such a sin to the point that we deserve to burn in hell, then why are we "created" in the first place? Are you telling me that your so-called benevolent god just decides to go "fuck this guy in particular" and create him with all sorts of in-built bullshit 'sins' such that he gets to burn in hell for all eternity no matter what? If that's the case, then I'm not sure I want to practice your religion anyway, your god's evil as fuck!

No, many think we chose to be gay. [after being seduced by Satan (But South Park says Satan already has a Boyfriend)]
That also means that they think we can "pray the gay away"
This is utterly ridiculous, but convincing such people, that this is not the case
is very hard and often almost impossible

 

[gb2000ie]

funny how someone quotes every line I mentioned but yes more people have been killed in the name of christianities god than many religions combined--google it you will see--remember how many people were killed in the great flood and how many Christians put so called witches to death--and if had illness it was a sign of evil and were killed in named of god--so yes its true

There have been religious wars for millennia, and there are religious conflicts all over this planet today. Christians have no monopoly on religious killings.

Besides, I'm not really sure why it matters if Christians kill more or less people than Hindus or Muslims or anyone else.

as for rest of your quotes I hate god I hate religion of any form

That much is clear, hence your extreme views. You are behaving no more objectively than those you hate so much.

--if you believe in him so much then why be gay--

I never said I believed in God, and that would be because I don't. I'm an agnostic humanist.

I'm not a believer, but, I'm not so blinded by hate that I've lost my objectivity. I can see all the cons of religion just fine, but, I can also see the pros. I can see the good people with no God in their lives, and the good people who are very devout. I can also see the evil shits who twist religion to justify their inhumanity towards others, and, I can see the evil and twisted atheists who are just as bad.

There are good people in this world, and there are bad people in this world. There are religious people in this world, and there are non-religious people in this world. It's clear to anyone with even an ounce of objectivity that all the good people don't fall into either camp with regards to religion (or all the bad people for that matter).

Complaining about hate, and prejudice by spewing forth hate and prejudice achieves nothing useful.

theres no way around it--any church you go to the preachers will say being a fag will burn in hell--

Wrong wrong wrong wrong. Meet Christian BISHOP Robinson, who's married TO A MAN: http://refhide.com/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Robinson

There are plenty of Christian denominations who have no problems what so ever with gays, and will happily marry them. And if you expand your horizon beyond Christianity, you'll find that many pagan religions have no problems at all with homosexuality either, and that throughout history many cultures with many religions have been just fine with it too.

I don't make the rules I just know them----

No, you really don't - clearly, there is an awful lot you don't know about the thing thing you hate so much.

as for marriages at least for most part after two men or two women get divorced there wont be a kid for tax payers to support--the area I live at see it every day marriages break up because he sleeping with another woman or she is sleeping with another man and the woman is left with the child she whines cant raise her child goes to welfare cries a story and bam taxpayers dollars supporting kids we never had the system is screwed up and the lower and middle class is paying for it...

Again, assuming the worst of everyone. Talk about judgemental.

The hard reality is that even with the best will in the world, many marriages will fail. To assume that women intentionally get married, get pregnant, and then get divorced as some kind of rouse to get free welfare is bat-shit-crazy. I'm also very sad to see such prejudice against single mothers in the 21st century. I thought society had moved on

Your arguments don't strike me as any more informed, any more reasonable, or any more empathetic than those this thread is complaining about.

B.