Do you belive in a GOD? just yes or no pls

[Thor]

Im not sure i should ask this..but what the heck

Do you belive in a GOD? as in a higher power than just humans....I think just a yes or no is best for now....lol

for me: I'm not sure!! I cant say yes or no for sure hahahaha

 

[Thor]

It's an absolute Yes for me.

thanks ice...I wish a lot of times that i could be sooo sure...lol

 

[Aeolus]

Definite yes

 

[Thor]

Definite yes

wow, such positive power, thats cool I'm going to church this Sunday for the first time in 30 yrs, i guess this is why i asked the question...lol

hey Phirestorm, is there anything but boonies in Nebraska? hahaha, just teasing babe:x

 

[Puddlefoot]

Higher Power yes, God no

 

[intensepump]

How can one possibly answer that question with a yes or no....

I don't believe that God is some white bearded guy up in heaven....
I do believe in The Q Continuum type god....a group of omnipotent dudes who probably live in outer space and at some time in the past....they dumped us off here.

I struggle with the omnipotence paradox....
The omnipotence paradox is expressed in the question: "Can an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that it cannot lift it?" This question generates a dilemma. The being can either create a stone which it cannot lift, or it cannot create a stone which it cannot lift. If the being can create a stone that it cannot lift, then it seems that it can cease to be omnipotent. If the being cannot create a stone which it cannot lift, then it seems it is already not omnipotent.

The problem is similar to another classic paradox, the irresistible force paradox: What happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object? One response to this paradox is that if a force is irresistible, then by definition there is no truly immovable object; conversely, if an immovable object were to exist, then no force could be defined as being truly irresistible. But this way out is not possible in the omnipotence case, because the purpose is to ask if the being's omnipotence makes its own omnipotence impossible.

J.L. Cowan attempts to resolve the paradox in "The Paradox of Omnipotence Revisited." He proposes the following:

1. Either God can create a stone which he cannot lift, or he cannot create a stone which he cannot lift.
2. If God can create a stone which he cannot lift, then he is not omnipotent (since he cannot lift the stone in question).
3. If God cannot create a stone which he cannot lift, then he is not omnipotent (since he cannot create the stone in question).
4. Therefore God is not omnipotent.

Omnipotence implies that God can lift anything, therefore it is illogical to say God can make a stone which he cannot lift. It is however logical to say if God can lift anything, then he is not capable of making a stone he cannot lift. Because he cannot make a stone he cannot lift, omnipotence is negated.

One should note the question relies on its clever linguistic construction. One who claims God's omnipotence could simply claim that there is no limit to how large a stone God can create, in other words, God can create all stones and that there is no stone too big for God to lift, that is, God cannot fail to lift any one stone. The question itself disguises a question of ability with a question of inability. An omnipotence paradox would also arise from the question "Can God not do something"? One would say if God cannot not do something, then God is not omnipotent. But the very definition of "omnipotent" is precisely that: that God "cannot cannot" do something. As such the Omnipotence problem could be argued to be a linguistic trick on one's definition of omnipotence or that term omnipotence is an oxymoron since its definition precludes its meaning.

Sorry...I think about shit...

 

[Thor]

not sure ice, ill let you know, I'm a bit aprehensive...lol

the pastor for my friends church is leaving, to start another perish, so i told him i go (maybe) lol

 

[Thor]

How can one possibly answer that question with a yes or no....

I don't believe that God is some white bearded guy up in heaven....
I do believe in The Q Continuum type god....a group of omnipotent dudes who probably live in outer space and at some time in the past....they dumped us off here.

I struggle with the omnipotence paradox....
The omnipotence paradox is expressed in the question: "Can an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that it cannot lift it?" This question generates a dilemma. The being can either create a stone which it cannot lift, or it cannot create a stone which it cannot lift. If the being can create a stone that it cannot lift, then it seems that it can cease to be omnipotent. If the being cannot create a stone which it cannot lift, then it seems it is already not omnipotent.

The problem is similar to another classic paradox, the irresistible force paradox: What happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object? One response to this paradox is that if a force is irresistible, then by definition there is no truly immovable object; conversely, if an immovable object were to exist, then no force could be defined as being truly irresistible. But this way out is not possible in the omnipotence case, because the purpose is to ask if the being's omnipotence makes its own omnipotence impossible.

J.L. Cowan attempts to resolve the paradox in "The Paradox of Omnipotence Revisited." He proposes the following:

1. Either God can create a stone which he cannot lift, or he cannot create a stone which he cannot lift.
2. If God can create a stone which he cannot lift, then he is not omnipotent (since he cannot lift the stone in question).
3. If God cannot create a stone which he cannot lift, then he is not omnipotent (since he cannot create the stone in question).
4. Therefore God is not omnipotent.

Omnipotence implies that God can lift anything, therefore it is illogical to say God can make a stone which he cannot lift. It is however logical to say if God can lift anything, then he is not capable of making a stone he cannot lift. Because he cannot make a stone he cannot lift, omnipotence is negated.

One should note the question relies on its clever linguistic construction. One who claims God's omnipotence could simply claim that there is no limit to how large a stone God can create, in other words, God can create all stones and that there is no stone too big for God to lift, that is, God cannot fail to lift any one stone. The question itself disguises a question of ability with a question of inability. An omnipotence paradox would also arise from the question "Can God not do something"? One would say if God cannot not do something, then God is not omnipotent. But the very definition of "omnipotent" is precisely that: that God "cannot cannot" do something. As such the Omnipotence problem could be argued to be a linguistic trick on one's definition of omnipotence or that term omnipotence is an oxymoron since its definition precludes its meaning.

Sorry...I think about shit...

hey pump! how many words do you type a minute? shit sweetie, your fast...lol

 

[Aeolus]

intense, I am not sure it is a matter of simply answering yes or no based on the conditions ascribed. Do I believe in a higher power? Most certainly. Do I believe he is omniscient or such? That is impossible to say.

I am a scientist by nature, and one thing I learned from readings in the higher echelon of science journals and going to lectures across the country, particularly related to the Big Bang Theory and other ones thrown out there is that science can't explain the very beginning.

I have absolutely no comprehension of the beginning of the universe, if there is one. Every day I realize that there is so much complexity to the universe that the best I could ever hope to achieve is to get some semblance of a bigger picture. The funny aspect about science is that so much is based on faith.

If I am interpreting you correctly, and based on your vast self-questioning of the subject, I would agree that one might never know. It is a loaded question to say the least, but I agree with Ice that sometimes, it helps to acknowledge that there are times we feel better with the belief. I know after I leave mass that I at least feel someone supporting me in a way I cannot possibly comprehend. Multiple psychological theories might be ascribed to that, but there is so much we do not understand about ourselves let alone aspects outside our own planet. For now, I have to believe in something greater than myself (that and the pre-seminarian studies I did).

 

[Thor]

intense, I am not sure it is a matter of simply answering yes or no based on the conditions ascribed. Do I believe in a higher power? Most certainly. Do I believe he is omniscient or such? That is impossible to say.

I am a scientist by nature, and one thing I learned from readings in the higher echelon of science journals and going to lectures across the country, particularly related to the Big Bang Theory and other ones thrown out there is that science can't explain the very beginning.

I have absolutely no comprehension of the beginning of the universe, if there is one. Every day I realize that there is so much complexity to the universe that the best I could ever hope to achieve is to get some semblance of a bigger picture. The funny aspect about science is that so much is based on faith.

If I am interpreting you correctly, and based on your vast self-questioning of the subject, I would agree that one might never know. It is a loaded question to say the least, but I agree with Ice that sometimes, it helps to acknowledge that there are times we feel better with the belief. I know after I leave mass that I at least feel someone supporting me in a way I cannot possibly comprehend. Multiple psychological theories might be ascribed to that, but there is so much we do not understand about ourselves let alone aspects outside our own planet. For now, I have to believe in something greater than myself (that and the pre-seminarian studies I did).

Ok, lets twist this a bit, science can try to explain, but can it ever be right? I mean, can we really ever be sure? maybe that should have been my question...lol

 

[intensepump]

hey pump! how many words do you type a minute? shit sweetie, your fast...lol

You should see my fingers on a zipper....

 

[Aeolus]

lol @ intense ... I can only imagine

 

[Thor]

You should see my fingers on a zipper....

whos? hahahahaha

just teasing pump...no scotch tonight?

 

[Wes2475]

God Who????

Why is that when a tornado hit, it's usually a church. Does God have a sense of humor or we human just want something more powerful then us. If there is a God, who side is he on? Religion to me is like a prep rally.

 

[Bo.]

Yes, there is a higher power!

Big Bang didn't happen by itself

 

[Thor]

Well God has no sides. All is equal. The Church has also some faults to begin with the priests do sin. (Have you heard about the scandals of the church lately?) but we cant blame them coz there just also human. But here in my location, if a calamity strikes the church theres always something unexplainable to find in the ruins.

ok, lets spin this in another direction, do you believe in the church? people gathering together...

 

[Wes2475]

Religion is another way to control people. True human seek ways to dominate others in name of GOD! America think God is on their side and the Arabic thinks killing many people in name of Allah would grant them virgins. If God was all powerful then why is there soo many suffering,killing,poverty,natural disaster,gay bashing,George Bush,Rush Limbaugh,Bill O Riley. If there is heaven would it fit everyone, I know there are alot of dead people since the dawn of time. Is there a place for porn star in heaven?

 

[iFairylicious]

I'm agnostic so yes I do believe in higher powers but at the moment don't seek a relationship. Being in some crazy religious schools K-12.............bluck lol

 

[bobbybeeby]

Yes Yes Yes

 

[brmstn69]

God was created to justify the evil of man...