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I suspect my opinion will annoy you guys, but...

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Another long time smoker here...
And I'm sorry, but the government has no right to tell people what they can and cannot allow to happen in their place of business. Many business have banned smoking by choice, others are being forced to ban smoking which has caused a great decline in their profits. Non-smokers have a choice not to patron business that allow smoking, no one is forcing them to go there...

Laws banning smoking in privately owned establishments have gone too far. Of coarse all the non-smokers are overjoyed, but what happens when they do implement that salt ban? Or they ban fried foods and chocolate? Will they still be cheering? The government has taken it upon themselves to protect us from ourselves...

Welcome to the Nanny State Of America...
 

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Another long time smoker here...
And I'm sorry, but the government has no right to tell people what they can and cannot allow to happen in their place of business. Many business have banned smoking by choice, others are being forced to ban smoking which has caused a great decline in their profits. Non-smokers have a choice not to patron business that allow smoking, no one is forcing them to go there...

Laws banning smoking in privately owned establishments have gone too far. Of coarse all the non-smokers are overjoyed, but what happens when they do implement that salt ban? Or they ban fried foods and chocolate? Will they still be cheering? The government has taken it upon themselves to protect us from ourselves...

Welcome to the Nanny State Of America...

as much as i loathe smoking and the putrid smell that almost sends me into deathly state i have to agree with you. The governments just keep chipping away at our rights. At the same time, I'm not fond of the whole i can smoke wherever i want to attitude when there is clear facts that it damages ones health. As long has a smoker respects that not everyone is interested in inhaling second hand smoke then there would be no problem. HOwever that is not always the case. For example the ban in air planes was a brilliant move!...i'd suffocate and die if i ever flew in an airplane with an option to smoke on board.....literally!
 

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you know what gets me is people who whine bitch and moan about every little thing that offends them but if we post our opinion about their opinions they get offended so these type of people cant be pleased by no means they dont want to be pleased they want to cause drama which gets old fast--i moderated a group at yahoo groups yrs ago and the complaints were astronomical---




so here is my opinion--porn on the web is like your tv--if you see something you dont like turn it off -or if its on the net then hit back on your page and browse elsewhere on the site--surely 99 percent of the stuff is tagged twinks asian bear and so on--if they are tagged and it is tagged with shit you dont like dont click that link--other than that leave us alone that love how these asian fellows look and mike18 and these other young looking horny ass guys--does that make us a perv no way--remember that porn star bret corrigan or something like that got into porn at age 17 by falsefying all his id and when the truth came out the guys were liek hey he said he was legal but he was a good fuck and moved on--



thats what i think is wrong with this country--one person complains then another and another until government comes in says lets make it a law and make it illegal--in some states its against the law to suck dick or lick pussy--imagine that one night you are sucking a 9 inch dick totally enjoying that thing going down your throat and you cant wait until he decides to bend you over and plant that thing deep in you--all of a sudden the door flies open its the law arresting you just for sucking a dick now yrs before in that state you could but what happens is someone--several people get together and think thats disgusting lets start a campaign to stop dicksucking and voila its law--


i forget where it is online i will look it up and post the link here about the various retarded laws out there that people tax dollars have been wasted onbut this is what our country is coming to and if it keeps up its gonna get worse--our country meaning usa is where i am---to where all our freedoms will be gone think about it
 
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The government has taken it upon themselves to protect us from ourselves....

This is the best point made here! Thanks Kevin! This would also sum up my belief about all these tiny little laws and regulations which as newage said do nothing but chipping away people's rights. To me by default majority of people is mature enough to lead this life responsibly enough. But if you want to rule the crowds and keep them obedient, you need laws. Lots of laws!
 

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I read that in the UK last year a woman was fined for screaming with pleasure too loudly when having sex with her partner! Is that true?
It seems the neighbours complained.
 

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Some wise items are reviewed here. And of course it is the duty of the government to protect us, silly creatures, from ourselves.
So Brussels, a great task for you:
1. smoking is bad for health, ban smoking!
2. overeating is bad for health, ban overeating!
3. alcohol is bad for health, ban alcohol!
4. traffic causes accidents, ban traffic!
5. flying is bad for the environment, ban flying!
6. education seems senseless since there are no jobs, ban education!
7. gay people do not create offspring, ban gay people!
8. and… and… and…
But the most important point is: life always seems to end in death, ban life!
 

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You are right. It is a strange science economics. Nearly all the economic scientists were totally surprised by the collapse. I am anxious what they would think if an engineer would declare: gentlemen, I must say that I am totally surprised that the bridge I built collapsed.
 
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But ask anyone who has a PhD in economics if this is so, and they will pout, look at you as though you were a little innocent child, and say 'tut, tut, little child, of course we need to accelerate borrowing!'[/U]?

I'm gonna ask some REALLY stupid questions here - and the bankers amongst us will laugh at me (my excuse is I am a word-smith not an economist)...

BUT... Britain is supposedly £600b in the red. From WHOM or from WHAT ORGANISATION is this vast sum of money being borrowed?

If it's the World Bank...then who contributes what to the world bank i.e. is Britain a big contributor to the World Bank?

If so, why pay it back? If Britain can write-off hundreds of millions of pounds worth of third-world debt, then why not write-off some of it's own debt?

Why do the overdrawn countries just refuse to pay anything back, and then just draw a line under the debt and start again?

Surely most of the debt is theoretical (on paper only) anyway?

Am I even more stupid than I thought I was?
 
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thats what i think is wrong with this country

em...is this not an international forum? So when you say this country...which country are you referring to? I'm thinking you are from the USA or Canada? I am not. So when you start banging on about 'this country' please remember that many of us don't know what you're talking about.

A little understanding that many of your audience are from elsewhere might be useful.
 

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BUT... Britain is supposedly £600b in the red. From WHOM or from WHAT ORGANISATION is this vast sum of money being borrowed?
This money has been borrowed from banks & other governments (particularly the Chinese & Middle Eastern countries). If governments don't pay their debts, banks & governments go broke (that includes any bank you might have savings in). But governments don't go broke they go to war instead to get their wealth back! In the 1930s in Europe the French government took part of what Germany claimed was their land to compensate for money that the French said was owed to them by Germany. And guess what that led to...

Debts can only be written off by lenders. If borrows refuse or can't pay the debt collectors get sent in, which in the case of countries tend to be armies. And that's serious business.
 

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Unfortunately governments find lots of other excuses to go to war apart from defaulting on debts. Make love, not war!
 
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I read that in the UK last year a woman was fined for screaming with pleasure too loudly when having sex with her partner! Is that true?
It seems the neighbours complained.

Not exactly like that! :p The problem, if I remember, was that the couple were making exceptionally loud noises during sex on a regular basis keeping the neighbours awake , I've heard of another case where a guy (a singer) would practice in the wee small hours of the night with microphone and echo chamber and whatever.

It's all to do with noise at the wrong times on any regular basis. Most forgive odd times but if you were living next door to that night after night trying to sleep it would eventually drive anyone a bit crazy.

People who do this are incredibly inconsiderate, I know there are busybodies and those who have no tollerance over anything , but this was an extreme case. That's city life for you !
 

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I'm glad I don't live next door to brothel, or a dungeon!
 

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trust me in some way shape form or fashion taxpayers foot the bill no matter how much they say it doesnt but in the truth be known taxpayers pay it all--and this saddens me because the more they take out of my check the harder it is for me to feed myself and family--mom and dad not kids hehehe--i live with folks help them out alot--but theres these people that live around me never worked a day in their lives living on welfare that dont need it--when i got sick yrs ago--i went for assistance i worked 20 hours a week but yet to them i made too much money to qualify for anything--there was a woman there needing a medical card to get ingrown toenails removed -she got the medical card plus 200 bucks foodstamps upfront and expecting 300 bucks more to help her time of need and guess what--she still on welfare something is wrong with the system and instead of crating new laws and shit--they need to work on the laws out there plus work on our system that will help anyone in need
 
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When I win the lottery (I wish!), I will buy an island and declare it independent of all other countries. I will organise natural energy power generation and declare that all residents will have free access to gay porn. So, you guys can all have holiday houses or permanent residences on my island. It will be run as a benevolent dictatorship with a total ban on all politicians! LOL
 

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In the seventies we had in The Netherlands a marvelous anarchistic party that took part in the elections: the P.T.N.L (de partij ter liquidatatie van Nederland). Their goal was to sell the country to the highest bidder and then divide the money.
They did not win the election.
 

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an attempt to answer your question

I'm gonna ask some REALLY stupid questions here - and the bankers amongst us will laugh at me (my excuse is I am a word-smith not an economist)...

BUT... Britain is supposedly £600b in the red. From WHOM or from WHAT ORGANISATION is this vast sum of money being borrowed?

If it's the World Bank...then who contributes what to the world bank i.e. is Britain a big contributor to the World Bank?

If so, why pay it back? If Britain can write-off hundreds of millions of pounds worth of third-world debt, then why not write-off some of it's own debt?

Why do the overdrawn countries just refuse to pay anything back, and then just draw a line under the debt and start again?

Surely most of the debt is theoretical (on paper only) anyway?

Am I even more stupid than I thought I was?

Snome, your questions occupied my mind too. Since you brought it up I decided to do some research on that matter. Not that I have the ability to really find the answer, but it’s worth a try. I went back in history to find out what money and banking are about.
The money we know now, found it’s origin in late medieval times (till about 1800). Our modern paper money did not exist. People traded mainly products (barter), or paid with coins, consisting of gold or silver (with a fixed value). The coins were made by goldsmiths. Possessing a lot of coins was dangerous (theft, violence). So the goldsmiths built safe places to store the valuable materials. People could place them there. In return they got certificates. Whenever somebody wanted his coins back, the goldsmith had the obligation to do so. But situations always have their own dynamic. People who owned certificates seldom returned to the goldsmith to collect the necessary amount of coins to buy something. They handed over certificates to the seller of a product. Same certificate, new owner. The consequence was that nearly all coins stayed in the safe of the goldsmith. This brought the goldsmith to a clever idea. He could loan another goldsmith coins of his stock and ask interest for it. Experience showed that he could loan 80% of his stock to others, without causing trouble.
What is the situation? Let us say we started with 100 coins from 100 owners who deposited it by the goldsmith. Then there will be 100 certificates of one coin.
The goldsmith loans 80 coins to another goldsmith. He gets therefore a certificate and interest.
The second goldsmith offers the opportunity to loan coins from him. Not actual, but certificates. A certificate guarantees the owner to change the value in coins. They have the obligation to pay their debt back and to pay interest for the certificate. But the second goldsmith knows that 20% of the coins are sufficient to stay out of trouble. So he loans 80% of his coins (so 64% of the original amount of coins) to a third goldsmith (with interest). This man does the same trick and loans 80% of the loaned coins to a fourth goldsmith. And so on. You can see that the number of certificates is increasing enormously (up to 400 instead of the original 100), while the original amount of coins did not change.
This method is nearly unchanged in modern banking. Only the name changed and is now: fractional-reserve banking. In this system the banks are constantly creating money (and huge amounts). The system can only stand by the trust of people. When people loose trust and want (all of them at once) their money back from a bank (a bank-run) a bank goes bankrupt. It is impossible for a bank to raise all that money, because they have only 20% in stock (nowadays even only 10%). In that case the “National Bank” and the Government help, by increasing the speed of the money printing machines.
As you can see this system is vulnerable. That is the main reason that the Governments were eager to help the “criminal” banks in the Credit crisis (when one bank falls, all fall).
A Government is in a way its own bank and acts the same way.
Snome, it is a bit a simplification of the problem, but this is in fact how it works. How institutions can have idiotic debts and still exist.
History is a beautiful and worthwhile source to learn from, however we seldom do.
 
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