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Obama or Romney

Who's your pick?

  • Obama

    Votes: 125 79.1%
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    Votes: 19 12.0%
  • Neither

    Votes: 14 8.9%

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Guys Remember one thing about the election, its was a razor close election. Yes, it was an Electoral College landslide but the popular vote was pretty darn close. Obama has his work cut out for him because the economy isn't doing well. Irregardless about Social Issues any political pundit will say," It's the Economy first and foremost."
 

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I'm just relieved that Romney's unprecedented level of lying didn't win out. I think that fiction about Jeep moving to China in the last few days finally drove home just how little reality matters to that campaign.

I know all politicians stretch the truth, they pick and choose the bits of reality that suit them, and ignore the rest, but the level of out-right fabrication by the Romney campaign was so unprecedented even the Beltway media noticed it.

Percentage wise the popular vote was quite close with just a 3% gap, but that's still over 3,000,000 people of a difference!

I really think this is the last time any political party in America can try to win by just appealing to white men and alienating everyone else. Even George W Bush realised that, and he tried to campaign for emigration reform to court the Hispanic vote. Romney doomed himself by being anti emigrant, anti, civil rights, and anti women all at the same time. Those days are over. Either Republicans see the light and there's progress on things like immigration, or the Democrats get to stay in power until the message finally sinks in.

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Obama really isn't a liberal. Moderate pragmatist would be my label. He seems like a liberal because the republicans are so extreme.
In European terms, he's about the same as David Cameron.

I'd say He is. I don't rate him by a politology textbook, but from what he's doing. He's supportive to gays, women etc. He's not supportive to religious dogmatism.
It seems that D. Cameron is in fact quite liberal too, althought He's member of Conservative party and plays in conservative dress.

There are two counterparting situations. 1. Society where everyone has a freedom for his/her individualism in widest sense of that word and this freedom ends only there where begins someone other's freedom. 2. Society where fates of people are drawn by privileged one(s) in advance.
Indeed these two extremes doesn't exist in real world, cos also in absolutely totalitary state are few people who find some way for an individualism, despite regim.
And also in most liberal states and societies live people who don't know what to do with that freedom.
But back to main thing. A politician is going way 1. or way 2. (please do no confuse with usual political distribution left-righ, - it's another bullshit, which says quite nothing) Way No.1 are liberals, way No.2 are conservatives.

Anyway, here in Czech Rep. we also have various politicians and parties. For exmple ODS - they call themselves liberal-conservative, actually they are more conservative at the moment. But one of their deputy chairmans Bohuslav Svoboda - Mayor of Prague is supportive to gays vocaly, also he gave official auspices for Prague Pride last year same as this year. When some bigots and facists critized him for that decision with arguing He's a member of conservative party, He told "I'm conservative, conservative of 21th century. So I support this festival of human rights cos I'm glad it happens in our city and it's absolutely consistent with my conservative attitude. We live in 21th century." Some of his critics in this case are members of "Strana svobodnych obcanu" - Party of free citizens, they call themselfs liberals, but in fact they're liberals only from economic point of wiew. Beside it they are anti-gay, antifeminstic, antieuropean and pretty fascistic at all. Luckily they has nothing chance to be elected anywhere and get real power.

So pigeonholing of politicans by their mother Party is silly.
Two another examples: 1. times are changing, societies are in progress (at leas western ones, and maybe some other a little bit too). Read prgram of british liberal party from 1920 for example... from today's criteries it would be extremely conservative. 2. Vladimir Putin calls himself democratic politician.

So I always rate Czech and foregin politicians by their actions only.
 
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