Pope FRANCESCO I

[ihno]

Well, everybody complained about Benedict he would look like Darth Sidious and now you have a Pope that looks like an Ewok and you're not happy either.

 

[Rozas]

Okay guys do this might not matter but I would like to rectify an error made ​​from the beginning.
It is not Franciscus 1, but simply Franciscus ... without number, the Pope attaches no importance to a number behind his name ... spoken about simplicity !

PS: I like him and think he will be very popular .... wait.

 

[Otage]

Well, everybody complained about Benedict he would look like Darth Sidious and now you have a Pope that looks like an Ewok and you're not happy either.

The next pope could be a mix of those two: Ewok and Darth Sidious. I think that would be the ultimate pope. Maybe we'll get lucky next time.

 

[chema]

I hope good things with Francisco.
I wish changes in the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Sinnerr]

Well, everybody complained about Benedict he would look like Darth Sidious and now you have a Pope that looks like an Ewok and you're not happy either.

I'm bit happier, Francisco isn't latent homosexual at least:rofl:

 

[Otage]

I'm bit happier, Francisco isn't latent homosexual at least:rofl:

The image of catholic church is kinda wierd. They're anti gay but it seems that there is lot of gaynes within the church. And talk about the pedo stuff. I mean they have their views and values, but their current image doesn't really support their views. With all that money they have, I mean who's doing their PR?:rofl: We could totally joint the church and politics, cause both seem to be saying the other, while doing the exact opposite at the same time. Power really does corrupt...

 

[mophost]

A change is as good as a rest ...

 

[bigsal]

The Vatican of the poor is an oxymoron.

Bank accounts, real estate, riches of every kind are not cleared with some good purpose. Not just the white dress or a shrewd image on a bus or at the desk of a hotel, to make of a man of power a poor man of God.

As always, we are in the presence of a yearning desire to believe in fairy tales media, provided that they have some symbolic handle, decorated with high-sounding phrases and slogans

So we have a Francis in the Vatican. But he did not come out of nowhere, and not walking barefoot.

Was in Buenos Aires, contemptuous of all the figures that have been victims of the Argentine dictatorship. It seems in bad taste to evoke the closed doors in the faces of mothers and grandmothers of the Plaza de Mayo, and the cirstantial evidence of a proximity to a regime that tortured opponents. But it is not allowed to set aside with a shrug what a man has done during a dictatorship. Although the new pope has nothing to do with the crimes against the unarmed Argentine, certain silences are heavier boulders.

There are moments in the lives, in which men, women, are put to the test; moments when life is to say about us. who has lived through a dictatorship has been the most difficult of proof, and it is important to know who is is on the side of the persecutors and who with that of the victims.

It is not only to respect and give credit to the words of a journalist who, as Horacio Verbitsky, has spent his life to reconstruct in detail the testimonies of those years, but to look at the work in his bishopric of Buenos Aires, a man who has made no secret of its ideal location: God, country, family. The ideals of the Argentine dictatorship. Of all dictatorships.

On the other hand, the Apostolic Nuncio Archbishop Pio Laghi - Three months after the 1976 coup blessed the military saying that the love of country is equated with love for God - was appointed by the Vatican "prefect of the Congregation for ' religious education in the world "and was on the verge of becoming pope. Not to mention the blessing of Wojtyla from the balcony Pinochet. Not to mention of cardinal Sodano, apostolic nuncio in Pinochet's Chile.

With the appointment of this new pope, I fear that the power of the Vatican has decided to curb the extraordinary experience of freedom of countries, who in different ways, have gained autonomy from the dominant thought.

Almost all the current Latin American presidents, from Mujica to Kirchner, during the dictatorships supported by the United States and openly tolerated by the Vatican, have sided with the freedom fighters, and with real St. Francis, priests who lived in the slums with the poorest. Of the opposing side, were part the regimes of the torturers, the accomplices and those who did nothing to oppose it.

Those same people who, in later years, have not felt the need of a word of truth and embrace for the victims.

I apologize in advance with the believers, if this post may seem crude and hostile, but unfortunately this is the sad story current, doented, of recent decades in Latin America, including Argentina.

 

[tonka]

I certainly respect your opinion, Sal, and the knowledge that is behind it.

The church simply cannot act in the shadows anymore, with power and corruption. The last decade has shown that. It has been a disaster for them. They have lost their traditional base in the first world. Their new base (Latin America and elsewhere) will melt away as the young look at them with hard eyes.
They will change, or fade away. I hope they do survive. The church of St Francis has much to give the world.

 

[Mardo]

The Roman Catholic Church has been around for THOUSANDS of years, literally. Talk about *staying power*. When everyone posting here is dead and gone, the Roman Catholic Church will remain. Does anyone disagree? I ask only to get us thinking and contribute to debate.

I am impressed with the new Pope. Let us see what he achieves as the years roll by... change cannot happen over-night. It takes time.

Also, I hope that people will not dismiss him, or discriminate, simply because he is from South America. Especially in the West and the USA, there is a build-up of prejudice again Latin-Americans. Why so much negativity in the thread already? After he's only a few days in office?:thinking:

When Obama was elected, two things:
-some (many?) were prejudiced, thinking only of skin colour, or where he came from.
-some had unrealistic expectations, expecting change to happen quickly -again it takes years to achieve change, and Rome was not built in a day.

So, I compare the new pope to Obama. I hope that people will allow time for change (instead of going on the attack within mere days), and mostly I hope that prejudice against Latin Americans will not taint feelings -we should be open and give the new pope time to achieve change.

 

[sunandmoon]

Francis may have a great personality and be very pro-reform - but the institution he was elected to head is not the easiest one to reform.
He probably will have to do a lot of damage control - a bit more transparency in the Vatican finances (also because the EU seems to be determined to put the shady dealings of the Vatican bank into some kind of compliance), a bit more responsibility dealing with internal scandals - child abuse cases are far from over, etc etc.
But I am skeptical about the likelihood of any significant changes in RCC.
One thing that is already evident - is that yes, he is much more likeable and capable of implementing a PR charm campaign. As to a poor church for the poor - let me know when/if you see the Vatican annual budget - I am curious about how much they spend and how.

 

[Otage]

The Roman Catholic Church has been around for THOUSANDS of years, literally. Talk about *staying power*. When everyone posting here is dead and gone, the Roman Catholic Church will remain. Does anyone disagree? I ask only to get us thinking and contribute to debate.

I am impressed with the new Pope. Let us see what he achieves as the years roll by... change cannot happen over-night. It takes time.

Also, I hope that people will not dismiss him, or discriminate, simply because he is from South America. Especially in the West and the USA, there is a build-up of prejudice again Latin-Americans. Why so much negativity in the thread already? After he's only a few days in office?:thinking:

When Obama was elected, two things:
-some (many?) were prejudiced, thinking only of skin colour, or where he came from.
-some had unrealistic expectations, expecting change to happen quickly -again it takes years to achieve change, and Rome was not built in a day.

So, I compare the new pope to Obama. I hope that people will allow time for change (instead of going on the attack within mere days), and mostly I hope that prejudice against Latin Americans will not taint feelings -we should be open and give the new pope time to achieve change.

Roman catholic church has been here for thousands of years, but it's influence has started to drop. It hasn't influencend much on many countries since christianity is now more split that ever. Hard to imagine, that catholic churchs power would increase. Ofcourse I'm not psychic
And RCC for me, well doesn't really mean much to me. In here most people are "namely" in lutheranism and about 1.1% orthodoxy. Catholics are in the gategory others 0.5%.
And what would the pope change? Their image? And yes again, RCC has been here for thousands of years, and it's really starting to show...

 

[Bo69]

He's an Italian Jesuit from Argentina and was definitely aware of the disappearances--same old same old from a church that never lives up to its founder. And I am an Italian-American taught by the Jesuits and am quite familiar with Argentina, so I think I have a hint of from where I speak.

 

[bigsal]

He's an Italian Jesuit from Argentina and was definitely aware of the disappearances--same old same old from a church that never lives up to its founder. And I am an Italian-American taught by the Jesuits and am quite familiar with Argentina, so I think I have a hint of from where I speak.

I agree with you, only those who thoroughly know times and places of these tragic events, is aware of uncomfortable truths and brutal.

To be clear, no one ever said it was actively complicit in torture and disappearances. It has been said, however, that he was a member of the Church subservient to a dictatorship, where some are in the corridors of power. Others, however, at the risk of his own personal safety, have sided with the resistance, with the tortured and the disappeared.

Military chaplains have confessed and absolved the soldiers returning from death flights, after throwing prisoners into the sea. Bergoglio has not been convicted by any court, but according to some witnesses was blamed for the reporting as subversive priests Yorio and Jalics, and responding to relatives of a girl who had been taken away her son not to worry, that the baby was fine, it was in a family for good.

In Argentina, the prisoners were pregnant give birth in a room Esma, and then thrown into the sea. The children were given in secret to the military and accomplices of the dictatorship, many of them still do not know anything about their true origins.

This is not to accuse or exonerate Pope Bergoglio of criminal behavior, but it is certain that dictatorships establish a "gray zone", a complicity of silence, indifference, small and large cowardice.

What happened in Argentina is impossible to forget, there are well-doented evidence that the ecclesiastical hierarchy discussed the extent to which it was permissible to torture a "subversive", and the limit beyond which the torture constitutes sin.

The high clerical hierarchy Argentina, present in that long period of dictatorship, carries a responsibility for their silence and, once democracy is restored, has not spoken a single word of complaint.

That's what is being discussed, if one looks at the name of Francesco claiming to want to open my arms to receive the latest, must first take responsibility for the heavy silence of those years.

But maybe, who knows, it will be to invite the Pope Bergoglio Madres de Plaza de Mayo, after a long silence, he will be the pope who will speak words of humanity.

Until then, the ghost of the disappeared hovers on the papal throne.

The Church is the only mother who did not ask justice for their children disappeared, because so far nothing is known about the end of 150 priests who have disappeared during the dictatorship.

 

[Cerno]

Nah, he's not my type! Too old and not to mention too homophobic (although not as severe as Pope Nazi so far). I'm sorry but I can not type the previous pope's name coz I despise him after hearing he called us gays as not complete humans, extinction harbinger. So I call him Pope Nazi.

Gay-friendly popes only existed in the far past when they took boys and mens into their bedrooms. Like Pope Sixtus which is currently being featured as a character in Da Vinci's Demons tv series. But I think he's a hypocrite gay pope.

If you want handsome, Georg Gänswein is handsome. He's Pope Nazi's right hand. He even appeared in a magazine as cover model!

 

[lunita]

Since he's only been the Pope for about a month it's hard to tell where he really stands on things but I love his humility. Since more than half of the College of Cardinals were installed by John Paul II during his term I am not surprised to see a Pope like Francesco come out of it. I'm so glad John Paul had the opportunity to "stack the deck" with Cardinals that were of his thinking. He's a Jesuit so we might be surprised how he handles things. He has already announced sizeable staff cuts in Vatican City as a cost cutting measure and has said that he wants to see some accountability of the Vatican budget. Hey, it's a start.

As an aside, I would not be surprised to see the American RCC make a complete break from Rome while he is Pope. We have finally had our fill of the molestations, the cover ups and the deceptions. I have several friends who are hard core Roman Catholic and when I hear them railing on Rome I know that something is afoot...

 

[puckinla]

He sits atop a decaying corrupt enterprise that seems to survive whoever is pope.

 

[tonka]

The RCC changes slowly. It is an ancient institution.
A change that takes a year will take them a decade.
A change that takes a decade will take them... a long time.

That said, I have a good feeling about this pope. I will not look at him through a modern prism. He is the pope, not Anderson Cooper.

Let's give him a chance, and see what unfolds.

 

[Cerno]

The RCC changes slowly. It is an ancient institution.
A change that takes a year will take them a decade.
A change that takes a decade will take them... a long time.

That said, I have a good feeling about this pope. I will not look at him through a modern prism. He is the pope, not Anderson Cooper.

Let's give him a chance, and see what unfolds.

Honestly, I DOUBT it!

It seems some gay people have illusion as if Pope is Jesus Christ, the savior. Well, it's not going to happen. Indeed, Catholic doctrines have changed, like the earth-is-flat and no-alien. But gay-is-sin will continue to endure until armageddon. Mark my words.