Porn movies - real or fakes

[Shelter]

At first just to prevent any misunderstandings: I'm not uptight, I like gay-porn very much and that in every form. Every form? - Here comes now my "but":

a short time ago I've watched some porns from Prague and the story in all of these clips was: a young straight boy is living in a small flat with poor furnishing and is visited by a guy who obviously has advertised in a paper, that he could help young guys which have massive debts to solve their personal distress. He shows the boys the money and than .... yes then he will his interests. He asked the young guys to make themselves naked, they must suck his dick, they must open their mouth for his jizz and they will be fucked by him.
And they all do that for the money.

What do you think - are these clips for real? If yes - it is my opinion that this is criminal - totally indifferent if these guys will do it voluntary only to get the money.

And if these clips are only another form of porn-movies with "actors" I can't laugh about it and they don't turn me on, because it shows a terrible exploitation of guys in financial distress. And that should not be a theme for a porn-movie.

I don't hope to earn now a shitstorm from you because of my opinion in this case. Am I so wrong?

 

[prickles]

Short answer, no, they aren't real. But technically true in a way, they are earning money by stripping. But like Ba1tBus you do see established pornstars from time to time. Noah Matous, off the top of my head, and I'm sure there was an ex Belam1 star in one.

I kind of like it. Because we get a close look at the guy's body. There's also a lot of touching which I'm into.

 

[jeansGuyOZ]

There is a market for this sort of porn - almost as much about a power trip as about the sex. It's not what does it for me, but it obviously does it for some people.

 

[Stonecold]

Shelter

And if these clips are only another form of porn-movies with "actors" I can't laugh about it and they don't turn me on, because it shows a terrible exploitation of guys in financial distress. And that should not be a theme for a porn-movie.

I agree

 

[yoyo888]

I think it is also the first time the Dude is on camera, sort of a "tester" video to see how the Dude performs, as someone mentioned above, we sometimes see the Dude appearing with different production companies a few months later after we see them in this case

 

[brmstn69]

I remember reading an interview with a porn director, don't remember what studio, but he said he would not hire models that actually wanted to do porn. He would only hire guys that were broke and desperate and had no alternatives. He claimed this was because guys who were interested in doing porn for the thrill of it usually ended up regretting their choice and sought to have their videos removed, while the desperate dudes have nothing to loose. Of coarse to me, that kind of makes it sound like he's kicking them while they're down...

 

[Shelter]

I remember reading an interview with a porn director, don't remember what studio, but he said he would not hire models that actually wanted to do porn. He would only hire guys that were broke and desperate and had no alternatives. He claimed this was because guys who were interested in doing porn for the thrill of it usually ended up regretting their choice and sought to have their videos removed, while the desperate dudes have nothing to loose. Of coarse to me, that kind of makes it sound like he's kicking them while they're down...

:agree::agree::agree:
Isn't that as well inhuman and a modern form of slavery? It is my opinion that everyone shall choose the job he feels fit for. It may be a banker, or a porn actor as well as a prostitute - but it must be from their own will and not forced to do so.

 

[Stonecold]

Shelter

Isn't that as well inhuman and a modern form of slavery? It is my opinion that everyone shall choose the job he feels fit for. It may be a banker, or a porn actor as well as a prostitute - but it must be from their own will and not forced to do so.

I think a lot of people have to do jobs they don't like to survive, however using people this way is inhuman and a form of slavery and the people that can do it to another human are disgusting and vile. I can't imagine how they sleep at night.

 

[Shelter]

Shelter

I think a lot of people have to do jobs they don't like to survive, however using people this way is inhuman and a form of slavery and the people that can do it to another human are disgusting and vile. I can't imagine how they sleep at night.

Thank you Stonecold for this encouraging answer. :agree::agree::agree:

 

[mxccdd]

Your description sounds like Cz3chHunter
These are fake scripted porn.
All porn is required to keep copies of ID's & signed releases.
(18 U.S.C. 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements)
The exception is personal porn (ig: xtube, PornHub)

 

[Shelter]

No it isn't this site. In a special way it is the same - but only in a special way. Here young guys asked to do sexual things with themselves or the photographer. But if that would be "for real" these guys will do that only from their free will AND for the money.

I think what I mean is called D3bt.Dandy

 

[Otage]

Somebody needs money, somebody pays to do smth, I think it's okay. I mean I've been desperate for money, but still haven't done anything for it. But we valuate things differently. To some doing short porn clip may sound better than doing some crappy part-time job they hate.

But personally I wouldn't pay for sex. Brolly wouldn't sell it either, but I'm more open to that. But would never be allowed it to be filmed. It's all about choices. And are they really desperate for money? Are all porn actors desperate for money? But in my defence, we have one of the best social securities in the whole world, so one will never be left without any income, so it's never really that bad.

 

[Shelter]

Somebody needs money, somebody pays to do smth, I think it's okay. I mean I've been desperate for money, but still haven't done anything for it. But we valuate things differently. To some doing short porn clip may sound better than doing some crappy part-time job they hate.

But personally I wouldn't pay for sex. Brolly wouldn't sell it either, but I'm more open to that. But would never be allowed it to be filmed. It's all about choices. And are they really desperate for money? Are all porn actors desperate for money? But in my defence, we have one of the best social securities in the whole world, so one will never be left without any income, so it's never really that bad.

Hello Otage - thank you for your input. You are right all of us have to do a job to earn the money we need to live a good life. Sure porn-actors are doing it to our fulfillment of lust. And they will get money for it - if their payroll is big or small - it is their choice. And if the models in these special clips are doing it voluntarily: ok as well.

But what I don't like here is to reveal a scenario which will show you the sexual exploitation of a young person in a financial distress. May it be true or not - for my opinion this is a bad example.

As I have said before: I like porn and I'm watching many porn movies or clips which will show me every kind of sex between gay-couples - but only these ones I can't go for. Sorry!

 

[Otage]

We all have our thing in porn we don't like, or don't except the scenario. What gets me off in porn, usually doesn't do it in real life. Like love in porn I find boring, but in real life romanticly loving sex is one of the bests.

 

[Stonecold]

Shelter

But what I don't like here is to reveal a scenario which will show you the sexual exploitation of a young person in a financial distress. May it be true or not - for my opinion this is a bad example.

As I have said before: I like porn and I'm watching many porn movies or clips which will show me every kind of sex between gay-couples - but only these ones I can't go for. Sorry!

I agree 100 percent.

This type of porn real or not promotes human trafficking.This type of porn is going to be causing the porn industry a lot of problems. 15 American states are working on laws against this. The SCOTUS has protected porn but with the new conservative slant I wouldn't bet that it may do so in the future. There are so many ways for porn stories to go without promoting human trafficking.

 

[Otage]

I don't understand how it promotes human trafficking? I mean it's quite usual setting = othet dominates, other submits. And people want more beliavable settings. I mean that's why those poor quality cam vids are popular, where some young naiive dude full of himself nibbles his dick for forty min with bad sound quality for money. Many bondage vids have theme of forcing etc. At least that DD guy has decent camera with proper mic, and he edits them. Yeah, the theme is quite sleazy, but just go to fetish section. Humilation, rape etc. And many people like it. It's still consensual, no matter the theme. Don't like it, don't support it. There are allready laws concerning porn, and DD for my understanding isn't breaking them.

And since people get porn for free from sites, it's really not worth to do it in studios etc. It's cheap and effective concept. And I bet they get better money by it then just prostituting, which is according to studies quite common in czechs.

And for abuse etc. banning these vids is no solution to anything. The broplems are in the society of their country. What are the cirstances that drive people to be desparate, if that even really is the case.

 

[jeansGuyOZ]

This thread makes me understand why, in so much of the porn I see, judging from their expressions the actors appear to be either totally bored or actually finding the acts unpleasant. "You keep your mind on the money and your eyes on the wall", as famously sung by Tina Turner.

 

[jeansGuyOZ]

Your description sounds like Cz3chHunter
These are fake scripted porn.
All porn is required to keep copies of ID's & signed releases.
(18 U.S.C. 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements)
The exception is personal porn (ig: xtube, PornHub)

Even when I upload to XTube I have to tick a box that says I am overr 18, have the right to display this video, blah blah blah. I wonder if there is any case where someone uploading to XTube has actually been approached by a government agency and required to show proof?

 

[PNPFag]

Until I got to the thread and started reading, I wasn't sure what you were talking about. I'm looking for party porn. In the wrong place, but enjoyed the question and replies. That kind of porn turns me on as well.

 

[RazzmaTazz]

Though I've found some of the guys in that type of porn cute enough to watch the scene (or the good parts of it at least), I'd believe that it is somehow staged. I would have to assume that even though it is from a foreign country that may not enforce as tight as the U.S. that the guys in the scenes are signing some sort of consent to the sex and that it will be displayed online.

The part that I don't like, and the reason I don't go out and actively search for this sort of porn, is because it is depicting sexual coercion. The scenes are that the boys are coearsed into having sex with this guy in order to receive a certain amount of money to pay for rent or food, or whatever. That is like the basis for prostitution.

As one that has given sex for money in the past, I think that what I call "prostitution for cause" (meaning doing it for monetary reasons when you don't want to) is something that society needs to work harder on. There was a show on TV just a few nights ago about girls on the street and how they are abused by their pimps and not getting most of the money when they are doing the most work. 100% totally against that.

But how many shows do you see telling the story of the boys that are in the same position? The show the other night was talking about girls as young as 12 being out there, but not one even hinted suggestion that there are probably just as many boys out there doing the same thing. Why don't we ever hear about them?

I hustled because I wanted to. I wanted to make extra money on top of my other part time jobs. I lived in a nice middle class house with a loving mom and dad, graduated from high school, and have a full time job now at a nice store. I fully believe that if someone wants to make money by having sex, that as long as they are consenting to it, society should back off. What I do at my apartment or someone's house is none of your business.

I don't believe in "pimps", but if you wanted to hire a "manager" and they get a low finders fee, that is another thing. There were several times when I was working that someone I knew would hook me up with someone else. I usually gave about 15% of what I made to the person that hooked me up, and that's as much as they would get. One friend of mine that did that I had to tell him to slow down so I could have a few days in between.

The show the other night said that the girls would normally have sex sometimes up to 10 times a day and would get punished if they did not meet a certain dollar quota for the day. I'm sorry, I've been in a few group parties where you're working with quite a few guys in a short time, but that is ridiculous. When I was working it was one a night, two only if the first one was very short, or unsatisfying.

OK, I'm going to stop for now or I'm going to write all night long. But that is my high horse for the night.