slimjim
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Well the good news is that the disturbances seem to have come to an end... but I wonder what the weekend may bring? Hopefully no re-occurrences as 5 deaths, many jobless & 100+ people homeless due to properties being burnt-out and damage in excess of £200 million is more than enough.
As to the lively discussions here regarding the cause of the trouble - well we all have strong opinions moulded by our own background; upbringing; politics; viewpoints etc. etc. and after robust arguement it's good to be able to agree to dissagree.
As to my thoughts on the subject well the fact that we have had 11 & 12 yr olds; teenagers, 20+ and all the way up to the mid 40's and students, employed & unemployed; black, white & asian says it's simply greed and lawlessness. Determining the reason behind that lawlessness is another matter. Poverty and deprivation? well they might play a part with some of those involved but there are parts of Scotland, Sth Wales and the North East of England that are suffering terribly from high unemployment and lack of investment - but there were no riots or looting there, and as stated before some looters were using expensive smart phones to organise. Anti-establishment? well unlike the recent protests at the G12 and G20 meetings and in Greece against the cuts there was no specific targeting of buildings or corporate symbols, yes some police stations and banks were attacked... but so were carpet stores, restaurants and clothes shops! Some are blaming a lack of discipline within the family and schools resulting in kids with no self-esteem or respect for others and property, and some are blaming the EU policy banning the slapping of children and the reduction of teachers powers for that. Others go for lack of father-figures, or social exclusion, and the get rich quick/famous for 15 mins culture as portrayed by the XFactor/Britains Got Talent... I've even seen Gangsta Rap culture sited as a factor along with the "obscenely high salaries paid to prima-donna footballers"
Who knows for sure, certainly not me but I guess that sociologists, criminologists and psychologists will write essays and books about it and make a small fortune on the lecture circuits.
And whatever we decide and whatever changes we make my guess is that sadly at some time in the future it will all happen again
. I just wish I was wrong.
I read on the BBC that some european countries are wondering if they are going to be next.
Got some more :
Strategic Emergency Management Enclosure N
Facilities Ante Room T
Parliamentary Response Initiatives Chamber K
As to the lively discussions here regarding the cause of the trouble - well we all have strong opinions moulded by our own background; upbringing; politics; viewpoints etc. etc. and after robust arguement it's good to be able to agree to dissagree.
As to my thoughts on the subject well the fact that we have had 11 & 12 yr olds; teenagers, 20+ and all the way up to the mid 40's and students, employed & unemployed; black, white & asian says it's simply greed and lawlessness. Determining the reason behind that lawlessness is another matter. Poverty and deprivation? well they might play a part with some of those involved but there are parts of Scotland, Sth Wales and the North East of England that are suffering terribly from high unemployment and lack of investment - but there were no riots or looting there, and as stated before some looters were using expensive smart phones to organise. Anti-establishment? well unlike the recent protests at the G12 and G20 meetings and in Greece against the cuts there was no specific targeting of buildings or corporate symbols, yes some police stations and banks were attacked... but so were carpet stores, restaurants and clothes shops! Some are blaming a lack of discipline within the family and schools resulting in kids with no self-esteem or respect for others and property, and some are blaming the EU policy banning the slapping of children and the reduction of teachers powers for that. Others go for lack of father-figures, or social exclusion, and the get rich quick/famous for 15 mins culture as portrayed by the XFactor/Britains Got Talent... I've even seen Gangsta Rap culture sited as a factor along with the "obscenely high salaries paid to prima-donna footballers"
Who knows for sure, certainly not me but I guess that sociologists, criminologists and psychologists will write essays and books about it and make a small fortune on the lecture circuits.
And whatever we decide and whatever changes we make my guess is that sadly at some time in the future it will all happen again
. I just wish I was wrong.I read on the BBC that some european countries are wondering if they are going to be next.
Got some more :
Strategic Emergency Management Enclosure N
Facilities Ante Room T
Parliamentary Response Initiatives Chamber K
