Stopping CNN in Russia

[W!nston]

Stopping CNN in Russia
The Atlantic | By Adam Chandler | 6:45 pm November 10 2014

Citing new laws that place limits on media companies’ foreign ownership, CNN announced that it would be suspending its broadcast in Russia on Monday.

Dramatic as that sounds, it seems the channel might not have had much of a choice: As Bloomberg notes, in October, Russian President Vladimir Putin "signed a law that requires Russian media with foreign owners to reduce non-Russian ownership to 20 percent by the end of 2016."

In a statement, Turner explained the decision:

Turner International is assessing its distribution options for CNN in Russia in light of recent changes in Russian media legislation. We are bringing our existing distribution relationships to an end while we do that.
The company, which is expected to end its broadcasts at the end of the year, added that they hope to return to Russia someday.

The shock and nostalgia began almost immediately. Following the news, USA Today relayed sentiments from Michael McFaul, former American Ambassador to Russia, who tweeted: "I remember the day when you could first watch CNN in the USSR. Now the clocks turn backward. So short-sided & anti-modern & sign of fear."

Much like McDonald's, which arrived in Russia in the early 1990s and is currently falling out of flavor amid the heightened tensions, CNN's debut was seen as part of a general easing of a rigid Soviet posture. CNN's exit seems to represent a recalcifying of that posture.

As AFP reports, CNN's Moscow Bureau will not be impacted. This seems fitting; word from Russia will get out to the rest of the world, but the word from the rest of the world will no longer reach Russia.

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[gb2000ie]

It scares me how much that man is putting in place the tools of a dictatorship

 

[W!nston]

As in Nazi Germany no one dares challenge Putin or The Kremlin or any authority. This reminds me of the descriptions of Nazi Germany during the 1930s. The pieces are all falling into place. The build up to a world wide conflagration included.

We are watching history repeat before our own eyes.

 

[Shelter]

As in Nazi Germany no one dares challenge Putin or The Kremlin or any authority. This reminds me of the descriptions of Nazi Germany during the 1930s. The pieces are all falling into place. The build up to a world wide conflagration included.

We are watching history repeat before our own eyes.

You are totally right Sniff! But isn't that really terrifying???!!! We have seen that in the past when Hitler and his Nazi-Party arose from the dark. The whole world looked, was indignant and was going again to their normal pursuit! Look at Neville Chamberlain and his Appeasement-Policy! I've the impression that this "Chamberlain-Virus" has afflicted again our today politicans.
And if everything will be destroyed again - no one will have known anything! And YOU and ME and ALL OF US will bearing the blame!

 

[trencherman]

That's taking a disaster specialist from a disaster that's just waiting to happen.

 

[gorgik9]

As in Nazi Germany no one dares challenge Putin or The Kremlin or any authority. This reminds me of the descriptions of Nazi Germany during the 1930s. The pieces are all falling into place. The build up to a world wide conflagration included.

We are watching history repeat before our own eyes.

Please stop hitlerizing Putin. Hitler never lived in the Kremlin. There was this other guy, Iosif Vissionariovitch Djzugashvili, better known as STALIN.

No the real problem is, that while we get 100 new books every fucking year on Hitler and his Third Reich, we get at most a single one every fifth year on Lenin, Stalin and the Sovjet communist society.

And how many movies and TV-series on the GULAG Archipelago and the Jezjovstjina have y'all watched? Probably not a fuckin' single one, while at the same time the American and Western European entertainment industries churns out movie after movie after movie, TV-series after TV-series after TV-series on Hitler and the Holocaust. You know Göring and Goebbels and Heydrich and Himmler and Ribbentropp and Streicher and fuckin' even Seyss-Inquart, Jodl and Dönitz, but what about Djzersjinskij, Jagoda, Jezjov and Berija?

You know Gestapo and the SS, but have you even heard the names Tjeka, NKVD, GRU and KGB? Please stop nagging about Dachau and Bergen-Belsen, and let's please talk about the Lubjanka Prison in Moscow, and then get on with Kolyma and Bodaibo.

Vladimir Putin is a bloody creature bread by the KGB, but NOT by SS or Gestapo.

Read Solsjenitsyn and listen to the songs of Vladimir Vysotskij, that's the least you can do

 

[Shelter]

Please stop hitlerizing Putin. Hitler never lived in the Kremlin. There was this other guy, Iosif Vissionariovitch Djzugashvili, better known as STALIN.

No the real problem is, that while we get 100 new books every fucking year on Hitler and his Third Reich, we get at most a single one every fifth year on Lenin, Stalin and the Sovjet communist society.

And how many movies and TV-series on the GULAG Archipelago and the Jezjovstjina have y'all watched? Probably not a fuckin' single one, while at the same time the American and Western European entertainment industries churns out movie after movie after movie, TV-series after TV-series after TV-series on Hitler and the Holocaust. You know Göring and Goebbels and Heydrich and Himmler and Ribbentropp and Streicher and fuckin' even Seyss-Inquart, Jodl and Dönitz, but what about Djzersjinskij, Jagoda, Jezjov and Berija?

You know Gestapo and the SS, but have you even heard the names Tjeka, NKVD, GRU and KGB? Please stop nagging about Dachau and Bergen-Belsen, and let's please talk about the Lubjanka Prison in Moscow, and then get on with Kolyma and Bodaibo.

Vladimir Putin is a bloody creature bread by the KGB, but NOT by SS or Gestapo.

Read Solsjenitsyn and listen to the songs of Vladimir Vysotskij, that's the least you can do

Oh my dear God Gorgig9, I've clapped my hands while I've read your post! That's what I will say so very often. The Entertainment-Industry (movies, books, TV-shows, newspapers and so on...) must every day thanks to the Lord that Hitler and his band has lived. He procured until today for many thousands of people an activity area! These men are not allowed to die and to disappear in the underworld.

What makes me very angry here in Germany for instance is - we chase until today Nazi-criminals (which will be today, if they are still living, over their 90s) but what we have done after the reunification with the STASI-criminals. NOTHING. Or better the punishment for these communist criminals has been only cosmesis!

But tell me what was the difference to be killed in a KZ by a Nazi or to be killed in a East German prison by a STASI-criminal? Both are dead - but our interpretation says the first dead is a major crime and has to be pursued until the death of the Nazi and the other - well, hard luck!

I don't know if this was right here on this thread or if it has been better on a special thread - but your post gave me the courage to say this!!!!! :angry:

 

[bigsal]

It scares me how much that man is putting in place the tools of a dictatorship

Those who have to worry seriously are the Russians, because drop by drop democracy is running out, hard-won in the post-communist era.

We know that in the long run, drop by drop, also the rock do splits.

It is only a matter of time, Russia will implode as soon as people begin to impoversi.

When you are hungry, even nationalism is put aside.

 

[Shelter]

Let's hope you will end up being right Bigsal! Let us honestly hope. But I believe that a "normal" Democracy as we know this in the West, will never ever been established in Russia. The Russians are not used to Democracy and I think they never will be!

 

[bigsal]

Well, a popular uprising has already taken place at the time of Yeltsin. The mistake was to give power to a man who was part of the KGB.

Only time will provide the answers.

 

[W!nston]

Point taken gorgik my friend

There is a reason why Hollywood has focused on Hitler and the Nazis more than Russian monsters. America never invaded, conquered and occupied Russia. Germany with all it's history and faults helped populate America in a big way. At one time even up until recent years German immigration was the largest group of immigrants all across America. My mother's grandmother's family immigrated through Ellis Island. Great clans of Germans moved here in huge numbers. America has a very strong German connection. Russia? Not so much.

There were some military leaders, Patton for instance, who tried to convince the allies to liberate Russia from the monsters like Stalin and those other guys you named. History would be much different if we had 'finished the job' that needed to be done at the end of WWII.

As you were saying I compare Putin to Hitler because Hitler is the monster I know something of, probably not enough but something at least. I know little to nothing of Stalin. So why don't you enlighten all of us? Please? Not some academic text book material but something written by your hand. I love to read your posts. I never tire of them.

Don't be angry with me for my ignorance. Enlighten me as you have so many times before

 

[Shelter]

Sniff I'll support you in your request! Please Gorgik9 don't ignore our request - you will be the right man to tell us about this time.

 

[gorgik9]

I'm honoured that you think highly about my intellectual and writerly capacities, but when it comes to subjects such as Russian / Sovjet history, Lenin, Stalin, bolshevism etc, I'm really nothing more than a newbie student myself.

So I really don't think I feel confident to do more than pass on a few tips on some important books. As I said in my post above, first and last there's Alexander Solsjenitsyn's monumental novel, "The GULAG Archipelago". You'll probably have to get thee to a public library to get hold of it...

Much more recent are the books of Simon Sebag Montefiore: "Stalin: The court of the red Tsar", "Young Stalin" and "One night in Winter".

And then there's the books by the great american historian Robert Conquest. All this to begin with...

 

[Shelter]

A good start Gorgik9 - I'll look for the books you have told from.

 

[gb2000ie]

Those who have to worry seriously are the Russians, because drop by drop democracy is running out, hard-won in the post-communist era.

We know that in the long run, drop by drop, also the rock do splits.

It is only a matter of time, Russia will implode as soon as people begin to impoversi.

When you are hungry, even nationalism is put aside.

The FIRST to have to worry are the Russians, second is the Europeans, we're all in his back yard should he feel he needs bit more room to stretch his dictatorial legs

 

[bigsal]

The FIRST to have to worry are the Russians, second is the Europeans, we're all in his back yard should he feel he needs bit more room to stretch his dictatorial legs

If you refer to the threat of dictatorship of the banks and financial lobbies, I agree with you.

The idea of "Community" was born with the European sound principles and aimed at the welfare of all citizens.
Now you have created a chasm between the "Policy" European and the real needs of the people.

If the parliament rimmarrà blind to the obvious social injustice and poverty increasingly rampant, the whole house of cards will collapse first of the external threats of a dictatorship.

 

[Shelter]

If you refer to the threat of dictatorship of the banks and financial lobbies, I agree with you.

The idea of "Community" was born with the European sound principles and aimed at the welfare of all citizens.
Now you have created a chasm between the "Policy" European and the real needs of the people.

If the parliament rimmarrà blind to the obvious social injustice and poverty increasingly rampant, the whole house of cards will collapse first of the external threats of a dictatorship.

Hi Bigsal - I'm like you too obviously not a big fan of the EU in the form it is happening now and today! But nonetheless I think as well we cannot make the decision at that time retrogressive. As every things which will grow up in democracies there will be good and bad ones. I think you are judging a little bit too hard if you say we have now "created a chasm between the "Politically" Europe and the real needs of the people".

I would say there is a downgrade between the so called "rich" European countries and the so called "poor" ones. But to overcome this downgrade will be a hard work. The ordinary people can do nothing or better nearly nothing. The governments of the "poorer" countries are suffering very often under corruption - and that is the real evil. So that is a very big problem which honestly can lead to a breakdown if there wouldn't be counteracted. And I hope they will do!

 

[bigsal]

The speech is a bit complex and should be viewed with perspective from below, through the eyes of ordinary people.

You're right, corruption is one of the causes of lack of development, and how Italian are involved up to their necks.

Brussels (EU) has taken action against my country ever to penalize the pockets of lower middle class by imposing increasingly restrictive economic measures.

But before a question:

you, would business with corrupt people or the underworld? I think not!

Brussels (EU) knows the degree of corruption and crime that exists between Italian politicians, it is not a mystery, just update almost daily scandals.
But neither Brussels nor Strasbourg, much less the European Commission, interested in this because the EU policy and lobbying we wallow in our quagmire (dog no eat dog).

If there are no policy instruments to combat this bad habit, you need to create and enforce strict rules, no ifs or buts. If your state does not work well, you are out of the game.

If European summits continue to ignore this phenomenon, it will lose more and more credit, and is doomed to fail.

But unfortunately, the European Union is "governed" from the ECB, which does not interest the moral issue, the mportant is bailing out banks and enrich the speculators.

There is much more to say, but I'm tired and go to sleep.

 

[Shelter]

Dear Bigsal the same with me - I'll go to bed as well now.
But gladly I would discuss with you this theme - perhaps in another thread.
What will be your opinion? Please let me know. But at first: have a good night and perhaps a little bit of love. I hope for it now?! -

 

[dargelos]

You may like this cartoon to bring a little humour to the very serious point you make, Bigsal. The creature with the money stuffed in his pants is our chancellor.