Suggestion please.

[BigBenni]

About that quotes from Genesis 1:28, you mean that God chose Man cause He want Man to fill earth with their seed rather than His own son? You know, Nephilim. Mmm....Im not quite understand the connection between my question with Genesis 1:28.

Yeah I know about Nephilim and I just read something intersting about it:

"Whether Nephilim is just a term for "Giants" or whether these creatures are really these beings conceived by the Sons of God is finally not clear."

What do think about that?

And to your question with Genesis 1:28. Well I guess you find the answer already in 1:27 - this was the beginning of mankind (Adam & Eve)

Wouldn't be easy just to tell Man that this is right or this is wrong rather than let us in dark and be Sinned?

Of course it would be easier but in my opinion that's the term of faith-test which you mentioned already. God maybe was disappointed at all but look, if Adam and Eve wouldn't have tasted the "forbidden fruit" where would mankind be now? And finally I'm sure God was kinda jealous because Adam & Eve now had knowledge and they finally won't need him any longer.

But finally he accepted it and here you have the sense of Genesis 1:28

Because why should he say this and even more that they shall rule the world?

I think the final acceptance you find in Genesis 1:29 when he finally comitted Adam & Eve to the following time because he cares about nourishment so I think he thought about the situation in the future and this was the begin of mankind

What do you think?

 

[BigBenni]

Knowing that can you tell that it still a mistake not a Sin?

I agree and I think there is nothing more to add by me

At that time does He condemned Devil to leave Heaven? Or He still forgive the Devil? If He condemned the Devil than how can the Devil go back to Heaven to seduce Adam and Eve?

Well you know Satan is in general the prosecutor who questions the sins and tests people but Satan doesn't have his own will but acts in the will of God.

Satan revolted against God and there is the point of view that it was Stan himself who "talked" in figure of the snake who seduced Eve to sin.

God can't forgive Satan and this was after the seduction of Eve when God banned Satan from heaven.

If the Devil is God agent then why He let war started?

Well I think after banning Satan one can't say that he finally acts in will of God because he revolted against him. I'm not sure at all but I think Satan did a way of transformation and the thought of hell becomes more realistic and logical. What do you think?

And I guess this war was the final reaction of being banned, don't you think?

I'm curious on your opinion...

 

[RefixnarcisM]

About Nephilim, I think your question is reasonable since there still no authentic proof about it. But one thing for sure that giant is different with Nephilim. Nephilim taken words from Hebrew 'Naphal' which mean 'to fall', then we have this Biblical translation from Latin Vulgate that the words became 'giant'. There are other thing as well that Nephilim different from giant, like mentioned in Genesis 2, Nephilim is not mentioned there as a giant. So who or what Nephilim is? Still a mystery, but I would rather think them as a halfbreed of Fallen Angel and daughter of Man. About Adam and Eve, through your perspective view, this can also be called God sacrifice? Like what your mentioned before right? But I dont think that God jealous for Adam and Eve, Im not so sure what it is but maybe this is God's way. To make His creation have a free will rather than God pet.

 

[RefixnarcisM]

I see, so Satan banned as well as Adam and Eve. At that time Earth had been created right? Is it create a day before Adam and Eve get banned or way long before just like the day He create Adam? Do you know Lilith, she known as Adam first wives, that also been banned because she refuse to obey Adam which that makes her obey God also. Knowing this she can be known as the first Evil right than Satan or Lucifer...hmm there so many names of Satan, do you think they are different? Satan and Lucifer. And about Lilith, where is she if the World havent been created a day before God banned Adam and Eve.
About that Spiritual War I think there some ordeal behind it, like a contest who get more soul in Heaven or Hell same like The Devil try to proofs that He wrong to creates Man or to let Him disappointed that Man which is He loves most sucb in Sin and abandoned Him. What do you think? I dont understand what do you mean by transformations, is it Satan free will?

 

[RefixnarcisM]

I would like to talk about this phenomenon that been increasing rapidly. Lost in faith.
As long as I live, I see that many people has lost their faith. Its quite bizarre since it grow rapidly till this year. Im not intended to insult someone or anyone, cause its their own decision. I just want to discuss it. Just like any other family, when we were child mostly our parents introduce us to what they believe, a religion. They introduce us with God, religious story, prayers even Heaven and Hell, life after death and many things. But as we older we get to forget about those thing and rather believe in more realistic and science rather than believe it was God way. Then at the end, they lost their faith, questioning His way in our life, or what I said before in our discussion, blasphemy against God.
The question is why? Why they put science and realistic thoughts above God? I surely know that realistic and science is important too, but thats not a reason to doubting God or even leave Him.

 

[RefixnarcisM]

Continue from my previous post. I have a quote like this: If God still have faith in you, then why you lost your faith in Him?
Thats all. Sorry if somehow my post before too sensitive. But I think we really need this, either to open our mind or keep our faith.

 

[BigBenni]

Im not so sure what it is but maybe this is God's way

Wow, that I really couldn't have formulate better and concerning my answer this was just my thesis and finally only God himself knew what he did and we never will find out.

To make His creation have a free will rather than God pet.

I think this is also the early beginning of democracy, don't you think?
Especially your part of the "free will"

I guess you agree maybe...

 

[BigBenni]

Well like I know God created Earth and the Garden of Eden at the same time and Adam and Eve were kinda experiment to find out how long people can tolerate the paradise.

Earth was from the beginning on created as a general habitat for people and when God "banned" Adam and Eve it was not only a punishment but also a kind of resettlement because the "experiment" finished when Adam and Eve were seduced...

Yes, I heard about Lilith and it's kinda funny because we talked about it with some friends. Don't ask me how we came on this theme but a friend told me he read about this and he continued that Lilith is no longer mentioned because it gave too many discussions about Lilith, Adam & Eva and the question who was first etc...

To your question with the names of Satan.
Well I think it depends where the Devil appears, every place means another name and I also think that these names can be seen as metamorphoses because if you have a look, the devil doesn't look the same way and there are different ways of showing him.

With my phrase I meant finally that there happened a transformation in general and the hell became the hell as we know it. I didn't mean Satan in general. I hope I found better words now. If not, just ask me

And to your thesis of Spiritual War I just can say that I'm sure this kind of contest always existed and never will end. I think here we have also the term of salvation and redemption again - don't you think?

 

[BigBenni]

Lost in faith

Well you talk about a theme where I have maybe a special opinion:

I agree totally with you that the base of any belief comes from the early childhood and surely was introduced by our parents or even grandparents.

I can tell you why so many people lost the trust in God.
It is because reality shows many good examples to doubt and finally lost their faith in God

I'm sure you ready about my family situation in another thread here where I wrote about that my dad had to die when he was just 51 old. If there was a God, why he let my dad die and not helped him? My dad had a severe heart-attack and died within 7 hours. So please, where is the justice here and on the other side a criminal who was a murderer can live??

What I want to express is that such situations really can proof your belief. You know I'm not religious and therefore my question is maybe not objective but I'm sure you got me and the general thing I wanted to talk about

This is of course the worst case maybe which can happen but there are many other examples too. Just take the worldwide financial crisis or the terrorism. Where is God now? Why doesn't he help all the people?

I'm curious on your opinion

 

[BigBenni]

Continue from my previous post. I have a quote like this: If God still have faith in you, then why you lost your faith in Him?
Thats all. Sorry if somehow my post before too sensitive. But I think we really need this, either to open our mind or keep our faith.

No need to apologize, I don't mind to hit sensitive things or talk about them and I think my point of view surely could express how I see this and that.

I absolutely agree with you because if we stop to open our mind I think we'll get lost and life would be boring. What do you think?

 

[RefixnarcisM]

About the free will and start of democracy, I think you are right. But not a really free anyway since there is this Sacred Text which provide a guidance and rules to keep believe in Him. Heaven and Hell. Follow the rules then you got Heaven, unfollow the rules then you got Hell. Is that really a free will? More like death sentence to me, since mostly what we like are forbidden.
About the Devil looks you are right, just like my picture post of Fallen Angel in other thread, its human tradition and vision of it which make what the Devil looks like. But I do like more in what Bible said that the Devil looks like a handsome and charming men, well speak and clever.

 

[RefixnarcisM]

About Spiritual War, some say that Satan will come back and make a war against Angels and in that time Earth will in big catastrophe...ok that sound like a bed time story. But if that really happen, why Satan keep trying to make a war since he know that he cant win. Or is he? He seems like know it all just like God, just like in Hollywood movie, he can predict the future too. Then He surely know well about the end.

 

[RefixnarcisM]

About that lost in faith, yes I read about it in some thread and other thread about do you trust or believe in God, you got my condolences, may he rest in peace. But dont you just think its some kinda test of faith? God curious how Men act after they faced with problems. Will they accept it and still keep the faith or not. Sometimes life seems not fair to some people, as a religious-in learn-person, I think that God have destined that and as you know well that Earth is more like realm to test faith. If Men success then Heaven would be the end of the road, if not...well you know. Then you get this redemption when you finally accept the way God destined to your life. Accept and keep on living in God's way. Thats my opinion.

 

[RefixnarcisM]

War

Hello there, how are you doing?
This is a random question that I want to ask. What does 'War' meant to you?
Some say war is a hard way to get a one agreement, hard but its work. Some say war is a cycle of hate and death. Some say war is needed to protect our love most or protect our ideology. Some say war is a proof to find who the strongest, either by brain or brawls. So what does war meant for you? Is it bad to have a war? Good or bad is just a perspective view....then again how about you?
Thank you.

 

[BigBenni]

Heaven and Hell. Follow the rules then you got Heaven, unfollow the rules then you got Hell. Is that really a free will?

Not at all and I think here we go already in a more philosophical theme.
And I think here we have also the thought of curiosity and even seduction to try "forbidden" things and finally there is the question for me: Is it already a mistake or even a sin because you are just curious?

How do you feel about that?

Well I think if somebody makes his experiences including those which are supposed to make sure to be a mistake but you make them in case of curiosity, can this be a real mistake?

But I do like more in what Bible said that the Devil looks like a handsome and charming men, well speak and clever

Well, I think that's the way most people want to "meet" him
I'm sure you got me right

 

[BigBenni]

Your second answer is reall interesting and really good too and I will try to explain this with the help of another big name - Oscar Wilde and his saga about Salome. She shall dance for the king and as a reward she demands the head of John the Baptist

Just shortly - well I try not becoming too long :rofl:

I don't tell you the whole story because that could be too long.
King Herod got a crush on Salome, the daughter of Herodias.
Salome is the stepchild of Herod and she is at least 17 years old

It continues that Herod is bored and wants Salome to dance for him. She doesn't want at first but when Herod promises that she can have all she wants she finally does it. This is the famous "Dance of the Seven Veils"

Which role does John the Baptist plays?
He is in prison in Herods castle and they all don't know that he is really John the Baptist. They only know that he is a holy man who maybe was sent by God

Salome hears his voice when he speaks about sacred things out from the prison and she gets interested in and she wants to see him. Finally she gets a big crush on him and tells him she love him etc... But John the Baptist has no sense for this of course and when he finds out who Salome is he only has pity and tells her that she shal beg for merci etc...

Rendy, you know already how this continues and Salome demands the head of John the Baptist as a reward to dance for herod. She wants the head for her own lust and because John didn't want to kiss her. The final end is that Salome gets a really crazy way of passion and starts to kiss the lips of the beheaded John

What I want to express is similar to your phrase because Salome knows from the beginning on that this what she does only ends with her own deth which finally happens wehn Herod gives the order to kill her

And this is the way the devil makes it too. I think he knows already that he will loose but any crazy "voice" in his head tells him to do it!

By the way, my mentioned stuff of Oscar Wilde was uses by one of the greatest composers to create one of the most wonderful and of course dramatic operas in music history: Richard Strauss' "Salome"

I guess this could be interesting for you and therfore I wrote about the stuff of Oscar Wilde. Maybe you heard already about the "Dance of the Seven Veils"

I hope I could express the right things and I'm sure my mentioned story about Salome could make clear the way the devil acts in case of the Spiritual War.

 

[Shadow]

Nephilim skeletons. Goliath was supposed to be of the Nephilim.

 

[RefixnarcisM]

About curiosity, mistake and sin, I think I got the simplest example. Beer, long time ago I have a curiosity about beer. All my friend say that beer is good, tasty, etc although I know that it was forbidden in my religion. Im really curious and want it really bad. Then maybe God answered my curiosity, my father brought a dozen of beer. At night when my family sleep, I go to the kitchen and open one and I sip it. My reaction was 'ewww' then I spit it out. It was disgusting and I promise would never drink that thing again. From that story, I know that beer is forbidden but because of curiosity, I drink but then I felt guilt. That consider a mistake because I have felt a guilt and never want to sip it again. If I just continue to drink it, then it will considered as a sin.
So curiosity can lead to mistake and a sin depends on how people do after they knew or their curiosity full filled. If they felt deeply guilt and promise to not do it again, it become a mistake. If not it become a sin.

 

[RefixnarcisM]

Thank you about mentioning The Dance of Seven Veils, I never heard that but it got my curiosity when I read your post. She reminds me of one of my character. Women in hate, jealousy and crazy in love surely can change them into a serpent or The Devil...FYI its a Japanese quote.
I would say that the 'voice' your mentioned about is Pride it self. Pride has shrouded his eyes, mind and heart, doubting the simplest truth that he could never positioning himself above God All Mighty. Such a poor soul....

 

[BigBenni]

Your example with your beer experience is wonderful and shows really well the case of what we are talking about

Pity for you that it was kinda uncomfortable but you see that it was fate that you shall not like it and even more because it's forbidden in you religion.

Hell yeah, Salome is absolutely a she-devil becasue this acting can't be decribed as normal there are many more examples e.g. Elektra who even killed her own mum to find revenge when her mum and the new boyfriend killed Elektra's father but that's another story...Feel free to ask for more details if you like. I guess it could be interesting for you

It is absolutely Pride what tells people kinda crazy thoughts and especially for Salome and Elektra!

I'm curious on your thoughts