teabagging....... yes or no ?

[treblex635]

Would you like to swing on a star
carry moonbeams home in a jar
and be better off than you are :blushing:
Or would you rather be a :angry: Republican ? :devil:
tea bags are for fondling and suckling P
:thumbs up:
not for rubbing in other peoples faces

what is conservative about replacing democracy with corporate privatization
what is conservative about the destruction of the middle class

unless by conservative we are talking about a feudal plutocracy c.1066AD

:hypnotized:suck more teabag ! :hypnotized::drooling:

 

[gb2000ie]

I soooo didn't think this would be a politics post

Be prepared to take some flack for this post from Fox-news fans, but I find it hard to disagree with the point you're making.

I find the tea party fascinating, because the rich have managed to convince the poor to fight for their right to pocket more money and widen the gold between rich and poor even further. Getting people to fight against their own best interest is noteworthy, even if it's scary.

B.

 

[hawtsean]

what is conservative about the destruction of the middle class

unless by conservative we are talking about a feudal plutocracy c.1066AD

:hypnotized:suck more teabag ! :hypnotized::drooling:

In the USA (and beginning in other nations as well), the rush to ship many jobs offshore where cheap labor and non-union establishments reward the home-based enterprises with higher profits, there is the distinct dwindling and loss of the essential middle class. Corporations are cutting their own throats and killing the middle class wage earners by using offshore labor. I read an interesting monologue written by a friend who's a graduate student in economics (Harvard 2010). He asserts that the very middle class who comprises the vast majority of shoppers and purchasers of products are being killed off due to job cuts and layoffs, caused by the very manufacturers (now producing offshore) who want to sell those products to the middle class.

Basically it's killing the goose that laid the golden eggs. You get one fantastic dinner and then starve forever after. Yeah, a simplistic summation, but essentially true. For the first time ever in the history of UPS (the parcel delivery company), they had massive layoffs last Christmas - typically their busiest season. No one is buying, selling and shipping much anymore. That, apparently, is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Behrluvr]

what is conservative about replacing democracy with corporate privatization
what is conservative about the destruction of the middle class

unless by conservative we are talking about a feudal plutocracy c.1066AD

Do you have any evidence whatsoever to support your position that the above are stated goals of the tea party movement, the conservative platform, or the Republican party?

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tea bags are for fondling and suckling

not for rubbing in other peoples faces

First of all if you expect to be taken seriously, you need to drop the petty name calling. That is a standard tactic of the left and the liberal controlled media when faced with a formidable opponent like the Tea Party. Its clear how much the TP is feared by how much the left has tried to demonize the movement.

You post is filled with prejudice, intolerance and ignorance. It shows no evidence of ever having read a TP position paper, or having any knowledge whatsoever of conservatism, or the TP platform . Your post is indicative of the thorough brain washing job the liberal controlled media has performed on its audience.

 

[hawtsean]

Do you have any evidence whatsoever to support your position that the above are stated goals of the tea party movement, the conservative platform, or the Republican party?

A goal need not be stated outright, it's the observed actions and responses from a movement, party or individual that are the telling of the tale. From what I observe, the Repubs are totally committed to overturning gay marriage laws in the States that have passed them, and preventing such laws everywhere else in the USA. As well, the very actions and behaviors of the previous Repub President and his supporters clearly indicates an acceptance and fostering of major corporations chopping hundreds of thousands of jobs away and sending them to offshore nations where labor is cheap. This is a direct action without any counter moves by the government in power. One can rightly assume that such actions are supported, without having the party or government say so in the media.

First of all if you expect to be taken seriously, you need to drop the petty name calling. That is a standard tactic of the left and the liberal controlled media when faced with a formidable opponent like the Tea Party. Its clear how much the TP is feared by how much the left has tried to demonize the movement.

One can only demonize that which is already beset by its own demons. I find it typical that any criticism of the TP or Republican Party is characterized as left-wing propaganda and brainwashing. To be left is not necessarily to be communist or to advocate overthrow of the American way of life. Major enterprises in the USA were founded by left-thinking individuals who ran counter to conservative thinking. I can only presume that the fear you speak of is really within yourself; and the psychological habit of transference causes you to accuse others of what is present within your own emotive state.

You post is filled with prejudice, intolerance and ignorance.

Behrluvr, I continue to be astounded at your dichotomy of rationale. You and I are both kink players in various aspects of gay BDSM. The very party and movments you espouse and support are totally dedicated to outlawing your very sexual preferences and even wish to jail you as a perverted man. This thought and other positions like it have appeared so often in the Congressional Record and in statements given the media by various conservative right-wing and registered Repubs, that it's very old news.

I am unable to understand how you can support those who wish to terminate your freedom to live as you wish, and to take away your liberty. So, I haven't called you any names, nor have I debased you in any way, but I HAVE called you out on what appears to be a 180 degree bias, based on your own posts here on GH. Can you help me understand how a gay man into kink can support movements that are diametrically opposed to him and his lifestyle, and his freedom?:thinking:

 

[gb2000ie]

It's interesting to be told that something isn't official tea-party policy while also being told the teaparty is a grass roots movement. If it really is grass roots then it has no official stated policy, and if it does have one it's not grass roots!

From what I can gather the Tea Party is faux-grass roots, orchestrated by rich interest groups and run by conservative pros, but presenting a folksey face at events. I think it's fair to say they have no official stated policy because there is no such thing as the tea party. There are many competing groups clamouring for the label, but there is no clear winner, so you can't judge the tea party by stated policy, at least not without choosing sides in their internal battles.

What you can judge the tea party movement by is the things they are campaigning on. The strongest goal I see expressed is to reduce taxes and reduce the debt. The only realistic way to do that is to slash military spending massively, but that notion is an anathema to most of the teaparty types except for the Ron Paul wing, which has been consistently anti-war and isolationist.

What I see from the tea party is a bunch of rhetoric that can't possibly be combined into a coherent plan. Massive tax-give-aways to mega-corporations and the rich are incompatible with reducing the deficit. Wars around the world are incompatible with reducing the deficit. Maintaining defence spending at current levels is incompatible with reducing the deficit. Tax cuts are incompatible with reducing the deficit.

Either you want responsible fiscal policies, or you want to keep giving billions in subsidies to the oil companies, and you want to keep giving billions in un-paid-for deficit spending tax cuts to the rich, you really can't have it both ways!

It's hilarious to see Behrluvr call everyone who dares to say a word against his benighted opinion brain-washed, when the group he supports espouse to mutually contradictory aims which can't possibly be held within one brain without brain washing to iron over the gaping gaps in logic and reason.

Until you can explain to me how you can rationally both be fiscally conservative, and support corporate welfare for the most profitable companies in the history of civilisation as well as deficit-spending on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, I'm left with no option but to conclude that it's you who's brain washed. The teaparty goals evidenced by their activities are logically irreconcilable with the realities of the country they exist in.

B.

 

[Behrluvr]

. From what I observe, the Repubs are totally committed to overturning gay marriage laws in the States that have passed them, and preventing such laws everywhere else in the USA.

If you recall it was the very same voters who elected Obama who simultaneously passed Prop 8 in California in '08. Whether the Repubs are committed to overturning is debatable. What is not debatable is the Democrats already did overturn it.

the very actions and behaviors of the previous Repub President and his supporters clearly indicates an acceptance and fostering of major corporations chopping hundreds of thousands of jobs away and sending them to offshore nations where labor is cheap. This is a direct action without any counter moves by the government in power. One can rightly assume that such actions are supported, without having the party or government say so in the media

Jobs are sailing offshore due to misguided government policy. In particular crushing tax policy, onerous enviro regs, and in many states a hostile business climate. Ever wonder why most corps are headquartered in places like South Dakota?

Most retirees in my state head to places like Florida or New Hampshire or Arizona or Costa Rica or Thailand. Why? The weather? Nope, because of the onerous and punitive tax laws which decimates a retiree's pocketbook just as badly as a business's.

One can only demonize that which is already beset by its own demons. I find it typical that any criticism of the TP or Republican Party is characterized as left-wing propaganda and brainwashing.

That is exactly what the left wing controlled media has been drilling into people heads. The left and its handmaiden, the media is shytting their pants over the emergence of grass roots organizations which cannot be controlled, which are wild cards. The only weapon they have is to ridicule, to pick apart, to destroy. We saw them attempt this with Sarah Palin, with the Tea Party, and now with Michelle Bachman.

The very party and movments you espouse and support are totally dedicated to outlawing your very sexual preferences and even wish to jail you as a perverted man. This thought and other positions like it have appeared so often in the Congressional Record and in statements given the media by various conservative right-wing and registered Repubs, that it's very old news.

None of these items, nor anything else you've listed is on the Tea Party platform. These are scare tactics that the left uses to demonize those who oppose them and threaten their stranglehold. As a quick run down the major tenets of the Tea Party are.

1 Adherence to the US Constitution
2 Small and limited Federal Government with power centered in the states
3 Free market economy with limited government interference
4 Reliance on the individual to make the right choice
5 Expansion of personal freedom

 

[gb2000ie]

If you recall it was the very same voters who elected Obama who simultaneously passed Prop 8 in California in '08. Whether the Repubs are committed to overturning is debatable. What is not debatable is the Democrats already did overturn it.

I'm sorry - what? Do you think republicans in CA didn't vote for Prop8? I don't have the numbers to hand, so I'm open to correction if someone has the numbers, but as I remember it, the vast majority of Republicans in CA voted for P8, while a minority of Democrats did - the result was that it passed, just.

You can't somehow absolve the Republicans of that vote while condemning the Dems - that is frankly insane!

Jobs are sailing offshore due to misguided government policy. In particular crushing tax policy, onerous enviro regs, and in many states a hostile business climate. Ever wonder why most corps are headquartered in places like South Dakota?

If the tea-party are so job-friendly, why did they oppose Obama in his attempts to close tax loopholes that make it cheaper to off-shore jobs than to keep them at home? Obama was attacked hard for being anti-business for trying to remove the tax incentives that drive jobs overseas.

As for companies being over-taxed, if that's true, why do most mega-corps pay little to no tax because of all the loopholes and credits that are there to relieve them of their burden? GE Paid ZERO tax last year, yet they are shipping jobs overseas like everyone else!

Finally, if the reason really was that there is too much regulation, then why is Ireland jam-packed full of US companies giving us all the formerly American jobs? The EU, and Ireland, have WAY more regulation than the US does, so the regulation argument is BS too.

Companies ship jobs overseas because you can pay the workers an absolute pittance, and because US tax law allows American companies to funnel money from all over the world through tax-havens.

Most retirees in my state head to places like Florida or New Hampshire or Arizona or Costa Rica or Thailand. Why? The weather? Nope, because of the onerous and punitive tax laws which decimates a retiree's pocketbook just as badly as a business's.

What extra taxes are retirees charged?

And I call BS on weahter having nothing to do with it. Irish people retire to Spain where there is more tax.

That is exactly what the left wing controlled media has been drilling into people heads. The left and its handmaiden, the media is shytting their pants over the emergence of grass roots organizations which cannot be controlled, which are wild cards. The only weapon they have is to ridicule, to pick apart, to destroy. We saw them attempt this with Sarah Palin, with the Tea Party, and now with Michelle Bachman.

Calling out idiotic idea for being idiotic is not a sign of fear or brian washing, but of thinking, logic, honesty, and brains!

When you really do have a better point, you argue the point, people only resort to personal insults when they can't win the real argument. Just look at all the threads you participate in WRT politics, the 'leftists' make arguments based on events, facts, and logic, and you call us all names for not agreeing with you. Fight for your arguments, not against our character! If you can't, we're left with no option but to assume that you don't have any cogent policy arguments!

None of these items, nor anything else you've listed is on the Tea Party platform. These are scare tactics that the left uses to demonize those who oppose them and threaten their stranglehold. As a quick run down the major tenets of the Tea Party are.

1 Adherence to the US Constitution
2 Small and limited Federal Government with power centered in the states
3 Free market economy with limited government interference
4 Reliance on the individual to make the right choice
5 Expansion of personal freedom

No one disagrees with point 1 - no one! Neither the democratic nor the liberal platform is pro-breaking the law or the constitution! The arrogance with which conservatives declare themselves the only true patriots never ceases to amaze and infuriate me.

The second point should be a point that separates the Dem and Reps, but that's only true when it suits the Reps, and utterly ignored when it doesn't.

How is DOMA compatible with your states point 2? How is forcing doctors to read patients a script when they go for an abortion compatible with point2? Why are the Tea Party not campaigining for the abolition of the massive federal over-reach that is DOMA? Why are repuclicans, including teaparty republicans voting for introducing government into doctors offices all over the country with these insane abortion laws? How is interfering with people's medical treatment small government?

Teaparty types proclaim to support point 2, but their actions directly contradict point 2 - so it's a fib.

Point 3 is one that is undisputed Rep and teaparty only. Democrats and liberals are against the kind of un-restricted capitalism that caused the great depression and our current crisis. You can have that point all to yourself, and I'll argue against it based on logic and reason till the cows come home.

Point 4 is just like point 2. All talk but actions that go directly contrary to it. If the republicans and tea party really believed that, then none of them would vote to make it mandatory that the government interfere with a woman's legally protected right to choose. The round-about bans of abortion through building codes and other dirty tricks also fly against point 1 actually, but that's a discussion for another day.

Point 5 is at the heart of liberalism, and although the reps and the tea party love to say they are for personal freedoms, they constantly act against all personal freedoms they disagree with. If the tea party really believe this, then they would be pro-choice, they would be pro-gay marriage, and the would be pro the legalisation of pot. As it happens a small wing of the tea party do in fact stand for these things, the Ron Paul libertarian wing again, but they are a minority, and utterly out-numbered in terms of elected representatives from the right.

I don't judge the tea party by their words, but by their deeds, and that's how I think ALL politicians should be judged.

I'm grumpy at Obama for talking the talk, but only walking half the walk. He did abolish DADT, so that's a plus, but he also failed to prosecute torture and war crimes, failed to end illegal detention and kidnapping, failed to end the Bush wars, and worse still, started one of his own! He also caved to Republicans and extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich, adding massively to the deficit and the debt. Contrary to what Fox News might lead you to believe, the left are angry at Obama for giving in to REALLY FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE REPUBLICAN DEMANDS. That republicans get to call themselves fiscally conservative while ballooning the debt with tax cuts for millionaires on the nations credit card, after having turned the surplus Bill Clinton left Bush into a massive deficit is disgraceful.

Bottom line, we can see through the words of the tea party, and we judge them instead on their ACTIONS, which tell a very different story. Is believing words over deeds not the perfect example of brain-washing?

B.

 

[hawtsean]

First off, Behrluvr, thank you sincerely for continuing the dialogue. It's totally obvious that we will not agree on too many political issues, but I am content to see a discussion and a debate on all of these. I propose to use sarcasm occasionally, strong rhetoric, and direct (but courteous) confrontation.

If you recall it was the very same voters who elected Obama who simultaneously passed Prop 8 in California in '08. Whether the Repubs are committed to overturning is debatable. What is not debatable is the Democrats already did overturn it.

I have to point out that voting for President Obama as a change agent to produce betterment is not the same as voting against gay marriage, even if some of those voters were the same in both instances. Sounds like you have grasped at a straw in order to validate a losing assertion. That's like saying "100 people purchased milk at the supermarket; the same 100 people beat their spouses; ergo people who buy milk at supermarkets beat their spouses". It's not a valid presumption based on fact.

According to both media and a host of various blogs, most people who overturned gay marriage legislation (or prevented it) self-identified as Republicans and/or right wing conservatives. If they call themselves that, how can you blithely re-label them as Democrats, unless you are the one engaged in tarring that party with a specific brush? I hold for neither party as being the total answer, but you seem to have a drastically polarized view of the USA - a status that is non-existent in reality.

Jobs are sailing offshore due to misguided government policy.

INDEED!! And the Republican party and their leader, the former President, is responsible for this mess. They have never repudiated their policies, so why should they now be trusted and turned to, simply because you (or they) dislike Obama? A Republican government allowed big business (much of it their cronies and contributors) to screw the American middle class tax paying public. I cannot imagine that anyone would ask them to repeat this practice - yet here you are admitting to this and enthusiastically trumpeting support for some of their more questionable candidates. Once again, I am mystified at your duality of thought.

That is exactly what the left wing controlled media

Awww, c'mon Behluvr, about half of the media is very right wing. You have asserted the wonders of Fox News and other outlets and pretty much every American and other viewer regards them as right wing. So, you cannot have it both ways............not all the media is left wing. Apparently this is a commonality of accusation, when someone dislikes what a reporter or editor puts out - they accuse them of left-wing smearing, etc. etc. etc. That horse manure died with Senator McCarthy - a proven eccentric and paranoid regarding supposed Communist membership of anyone who disagreed with him. He was disavowed by his own peers and party, and so the left-wing accusation thing is really very old and tiresome.

Your listing of the so-called platform of the TP enthusiasts is weak, simply because none of them have coalesced together to create a unified organization. Small little groups are cute, but have little power until they truly become a grass-roots movement ---- and that involves wide public acceptance. When that occurs (wide-spread acceptance), then we can talk of a platform.

 

[Behrluvr]

I have to point out that voting for President Obama as a change agent to produce betterment is not the same as voting against gay marriage, even if some of those voters were the same in both instances. Sounds like you have grasped at a straw in order to validate a losing assertion.

Losing or winning the assertion is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is the very same voters who elected Obama pulled the lever for Prop 8 while in the booth. Else Obama would not have carried California. Its difficult to admit I realize, but the Prop 8 results are staring you in the face like a big ugly zit. Its also a good assumption that a large number of those voters were black, a demographic which presumably knows something about discrimination, intolerance and prejudice. Looks like their memories are short.

As for companies being over-taxed, if that's true, why do most mega-corps pay little to no tax because of all the loopholes and credits that are there to relieve them of their burden? GE Paid ZERO tax last year, yet they are shipping jobs overseas like everyone else!

Err, I have a little news for you, corporations pay no tax, you the consumer do. Any taxes collected from corporations ultimately comes from the taxpayer in the form of pass through on sales. What we need to do in this country is to eliminate all corporate income taxes. This would immediately make the US the single most attractive business power in the world and shift tons of business here.

That's like saying "100 people purchased milk at the supermarket; the same 100 people beat their spouses; ergo people who buy milk at supermarkets beat their spouses". It's not a valid presumption based on fact.

Thats a flawed argument. A majority of the people who walked in the CA voting booth pulled the lever for Obama. A majority in those same booths pulled the lever for Prop 8. It is clear that since Obama supporters were a majority in CA , the same majority supported Prop 8. The majority voting bloc (Obama supporters) had the numbers to reject Prop 8. Voting results shows the opposite. Obama voters did not support gay marriage in CA.

 

[Behrluvr]

First off, Behrluvr, thank you sincerely for continuing the dialogue. It's totally obvious that we will not agree on too many political issues, but I am content to see a discussion and a debate on all of these. I propose to use sarcasm occasionally, strong rhetoric, and direct (but courteous) confrontation.

I did not want to get into a political discussion. I was responding to the OP and his post which amounted to little more than flame bait. Nonetheless I simply couldn't stand by meekly and have what I consider the greatest hope for the survival of the US , the Tea Party movement , once again childishly derided by someone with what? 2 posts? Notice the OP hasn't contributed to this discussion? Thats called 'dump and run'.

 

[treblex635]

Little Lulu : Reprise

Well, I must say you did warn me gb2000ie, and now Behrluvr is sniffing around to find where I dump........ :butslap:

You and hawtsean have more patience :heart: for this than I do, and you are both excellent in presenting a reasoned discussion.

:cheers:


I just thought Little Lulu should be allowed to address da :dancing: fun da mentals, and as usual they have raised their hackles.

I really do :thinking: enjoy a little mutual teabag snogging.................

My brother, who has not worked in fifteen years, and is now on The Dole from Our Mum, has apparently spent his entire redundancy listening to The Rush of Oxycontin and his All-Day-Hate-Radio posse. He considers himself to be a True Defender of Truth, Liberty, Justice, The-America-As-It-Used-To-Be, Egalitarianism, Self Reliance, Hard Work, Family Values, Basic Values, The True Cross, The White Jesus........................etc, etc, etc..........................

Their usual delusional P drivel and diatribe.................

I have not said one unnecessary word to him in ten years.

I rejoice at your stoic stamina in the face of bilious blindness....................

Remember :

you can lead a horticulture...................
but you can't make him think. :angry:

 

[Behrluvr]

Have you anything substantial to post ?

 

[hawtsean]

Losing or winning the assertion is irrelevant................... Its also a good assumption that a large number of those voters were black, a demographic which presumably knows something about discrimination, intolerance and prejudice. Looks like their memories are short.........................Err, I have a little news for you, corporations pay no tax,

Well, I totally disagree. Everything is relevant to what you claim the issues to be. And your 'good assumption' is your own, not necessarily shared by others. Remember the old joke..."never assume, since it makes an ASS of U and maybe ME". Still holds true. You're projecting your wish upon voters of whom you neither know, nor have you info on their voting habits. Again, a very weak response IMO. If you really have data, please present that and I will be ready to change my mind and opinion in the face of validated fact.

Taxes from corps - well the IRS has public records of what is paid, and that is quite aside from the markup to cover those taxes. If no tax were paid at all, the Treasury would have a tough time making ends meet. The fact that some big biz can escape taxes by claiming one loophole or another, is simply more proof that your much-vaunted Repubs allowed their big-biz cronies to get away with financial murder. Seems to me that you have proven MY assertions rather than yours, by admitting that your favored party has screwed the American public left, right and center. The Democrats under Obama tried to limit some of those loopholes and were shot down. So who is really making Americans pay more for less?

I suppose that we could sling this back and forth forever, Behrluvr. I am not interested in merely taking up space on the board and seeing my name on a thread. I ask you to bring forward actual data, not supposition, not assumptions, not innuendo, not repeats of editorial diatribes on various media outlets ----- just plain facts that can be verified from public knowledge. Both gb200ie and I have called you out on specifics, and you have failed to respond. Does this mean you have nothing to say when facts or specifics are presented...........or are you researching and gathering info to post shortly...........or are you, perhaps, a victim of the very brain-washing that you accuse others of perpetrating. C'mon man , smell the coffee and put forth what you claim to have as facts, or just retreat with dignity and admit that these are your opinions (to which you are surely entitled), but NOT validated facts.

 

[hawtsean]

Have you anything substantial to post ?

Behrluvr, I think that treblex's post was just as relevant as all the rest of ours in this thread. I'm waiting for YOUR substantial factual input.

 

[gb2000ie]

Err, I have a little news for you, corporations pay no tax, you the consumer do. Any taxes collected from corporations ultimately comes from the taxpayer in the form of pass through on sales. What we need to do in this country is to eliminate all corporate income taxes. This would immediately make the US the single most attractive business power in the world and shift tons of business here.

And how exactly would you pay for the running of the country if you did that? Already, corporate taxes are so LOW in the US that it's beneficial for rich people to INCORPORATE THEMSELVES. If you just take all taxes of all businesses then everyone will do that, and the country will collapse in a heap of rubble.

I know it's fashionable to blame government for everything, and to say that taxes are evil, but it's taxes that pay for all the vital infrastructure that holds a country together, not to mention education, and basic services for the sick, disabled, and elderly. And of course - no taxes means no US millitary.

If tax is the problem, then why did the economy boom under Clinton who RAISED taxes, and crash under Bush who lowered them? And why have the historically very low tax rates of the last few years not fixed the economy?

It is a religious belief among conservatives that taxes are bad, and lowering them is a panacea that cures all ills, but reality, and the study of economics, show that's bollox. Even Bush senior thought this insane theory was "voo doo economics".

Thats a flawed argument. A majority of the people who walked in the CA voting booth pulled the lever for Obama. A majority in those same booths pulled the lever for Prop 8. It is clear that since Obama supporters were a majority in CA , the same majority supported Prop 8. The majority voting bloc (Obama supporters) had the numbers to reject Prop 8. Voting results shows the opposite. Obama voters did not support gay marriage in CA.

The same ELECTORATE voted for both things, but the fact that there were two majorities does NOT mean the same people voted for both things! Yes, there MUST have been an overlap, but that does NOT mean it was mostly democrats who pulled the lever for Prop8. This is elementary logic we are dealing with!

Maybe I need to pretend you're a child and dumb things down to managable numbers and an example? Say we have 11 voters, 6 Dems, and 5 Reps. The 6 dems all voted for Obama, and none of the Reps did, hence, Obama wins CA by a little over half. Then, all 5 Reps voted for Prop 8, and only 1 Dem did, hey presto, prop 8 passes by just over half. With this simple little example we have demonstrated very clearly that you CANNOT assume that because Obama won, all Dems must have noted Pro8, and the reps are off the hook. Short of drawing a picture I can't think of a better way to dumb down this unbelievably obvious point.

B.

 

[gb2000ie]

Behrluvr, I think that treblex's post was just as relevant as all the rest of ours in this thread. I'm waiting for YOUR substantial factual input.

So am I - and not just in this thread!

You run into any thread that disagrees with your politics - call everyone names, insist the whole world is biased against you and your views, insist we're brainwashed and repeat.

You cherry pick which points you'll address. I gave a detailed response to the 5 points you claim the Tea Party are for, and showed the massive gaping chasm between their rhetoric and their actions, and what do I get in reply? Not a peep! That's the core substance in this thread, but you run away from the discussion because the facts are not on your side, only the words.

B.

 

[Behrluvr]

So am I - and not just in this thread!

You run into any thread that disagrees with your politics - call everyone names, insist the whole world is biased against you and your views...

B.

I never said any such thing , those are your words please refrain putting words in my mouth and claiming I said them.

 

[Behrluvr]

And how exactly would you pay for the running of the country if you did that? Already, corporate taxes are so LOW in the US that it's beneficial for rich people to INCORPORATE THEMSELVES. If you just take all taxes of all businesses then everyone will do that, and the country will collapse in a heap of rubble.

In case you haven't noticed, the country is already collapsing. The US has what is now an insurmountable debt almost completely incurred in the last 2 1/2 years. Unemployment is in the stratosphere, and there is no hope of a recovery.

As for running the country, the states which had high growth (until the Obama era that is) are those which have either no income tax, or no sales tax , or were business friendly. AZ, TX, NV,NH. My own socialist state is in death spasm as it only welcomes welfare cheats and illegal border jumpers while being distinctly unfriendly to business, chasing away entreprenneurs.

The federal government has few legitamite reasons to exist. Guard the coast, deliver the mail and such. It has become a huge greedy monster devouring every last dollar available with the consequence that there are now no dollars available to devour.

 

[Behrluvr]

You cherry pick which points you'll address.

I am only interested in one point and I addressed it. That is that the liberals and Democrat majority in California voted in favor of Proposition 8, the very same people who were in the booth electing Obama were simultaneously defeating gay marriage in CA.