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Tumblr is Turning Off Porn
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taurus2904
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Tumblr did a terrible job communicating the change to their platform -- like most of their communications. Currently, and by that I mean minutes ago, anything their algorithms or bots or real people deemed "adult" or "sexually explicit" or "genitalia" or "female-presenting breasts" (their terrible term) has now been "hidden from public view" and is only visible to the blog owner. At first, they said they would delete the offensive blog. This has the same effect.
The real reason -- which Tumblr, and likely more sites will soon face/implement -- took some fortuitous stumbling and thesis-level searching to discern is: The US Congress. On August 1, 2017, Rob Portman (R-OH), introduced Senate Bill 1693. It passed in the House on February 27, 2018, and the Senate on March 21, 2018. It was signed by Trump on April 11, 2018. The combined laws are Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act (SESTA) and Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA). They make it illegal to knowingly assist, facilitate, or support sex trafficking, and amend the Section 230 safe harbors of the Communications Decency Act (which make online services immune from civil liability for the actions of their users) to exclude enforcement of federal or state sex trafficking laws from its immunity.
As a result, websites and ISPs can now be held liable for the actions of their users. Many, like the personals section of Craigslist, either ceased or have taken actions similar to Tumblr. Furry personals website Pounced voluntarily shut down, citing increased liability under the bill, and the difficulty of monitoring all the listings on the site for a small organization. (Full disclosure: I'm not a furry, just citing example from a well known wiki source.) None, as far as I know, have given the real reason as stated above.
Cue the unintended consequences. These laws will actually make prosecution of actual human traffickers less possible, because it now goes back underground. Sex workers now have to move either partially into or fully into shadow, again, making them more susceptible to pimps and criminal organizations, or onto streets where they are susceptible to crime or violence by johns. Artists and authors who make erotic works have fewer outlets or places to promote/display their endeavors. LGBTQ folks have less places online to connect, meaning fewer safe places to congregate, discuss, or network.
Places like Tumblr were -- I'm using the past tense, sense it seems unlikely to be reversed in the near-term -- a safe place for many LGBTQ, especially youth or those in rural areas or differently-abled, to meet and to explore their sexuality/gender. In recent years, there has been a marked increase in targeted censorship of LGBTQ communities online, including Facebook.
The US Department of Justice expressed concerns about the bills/laws which would make prosecution more difficult and that it was possibly unconstitutional under the Ex Post Facto Clause. Senators Ron Wyden and Rand Paul opposed it under similar terms. SESTA has been criticized by pro-free speech and pro-Internet groups including the Center for Democracy and Technology, Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU, Engine Advocacy, the Sex Workers Outreach Project (which described SESTA as a "disguised internet censorship bill"), and the Wikimedia Foundation, who argue that the bill weakens the section 230 safe harbors, and places an unnecessary burden on internet companies and intermediaries that handle user-generated content or communications.
The laws tend to favor big-tech and trial lawyers, since it would require teams of lawyers to consider all possible scenarios when any online service could theoretically be used to "facilitate" sex trafficking. The Senate voted down a proposed amendment by Ron Wyden that stipulated website moderation is not the same as nor contributes to liability.
There you have it folks -- Welcome to the United States of America, please turn your calendars back 60 years. The time is now 1952.
The real reason -- which Tumblr, and likely more sites will soon face/implement -- took some fortuitous stumbling and thesis-level searching to discern is: The US Congress. On August 1, 2017, Rob Portman (R-OH), introduced Senate Bill 1693. It passed in the House on February 27, 2018, and the Senate on March 21, 2018. It was signed by Trump on April 11, 2018. The combined laws are Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act (SESTA) and Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA). They make it illegal to knowingly assist, facilitate, or support sex trafficking, and amend the Section 230 safe harbors of the Communications Decency Act (which make online services immune from civil liability for the actions of their users) to exclude enforcement of federal or state sex trafficking laws from its immunity.
As a result, websites and ISPs can now be held liable for the actions of their users. Many, like the personals section of Craigslist, either ceased or have taken actions similar to Tumblr. Furry personals website Pounced voluntarily shut down, citing increased liability under the bill, and the difficulty of monitoring all the listings on the site for a small organization. (Full disclosure: I'm not a furry, just citing example from a well known wiki source.) None, as far as I know, have given the real reason as stated above.
Cue the unintended consequences. These laws will actually make prosecution of actual human traffickers less possible, because it now goes back underground. Sex workers now have to move either partially into or fully into shadow, again, making them more susceptible to pimps and criminal organizations, or onto streets where they are susceptible to crime or violence by johns. Artists and authors who make erotic works have fewer outlets or places to promote/display their endeavors. LGBTQ folks have less places online to connect, meaning fewer safe places to congregate, discuss, or network.
Places like Tumblr were -- I'm using the past tense, sense it seems unlikely to be reversed in the near-term -- a safe place for many LGBTQ, especially youth or those in rural areas or differently-abled, to meet and to explore their sexuality/gender. In recent years, there has been a marked increase in targeted censorship of LGBTQ communities online, including Facebook.
The US Department of Justice expressed concerns about the bills/laws which would make prosecution more difficult and that it was possibly unconstitutional under the Ex Post Facto Clause. Senators Ron Wyden and Rand Paul opposed it under similar terms. SESTA has been criticized by pro-free speech and pro-Internet groups including the Center for Democracy and Technology, Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU, Engine Advocacy, the Sex Workers Outreach Project (which described SESTA as a "disguised internet censorship bill"), and the Wikimedia Foundation, who argue that the bill weakens the section 230 safe harbors, and places an unnecessary burden on internet companies and intermediaries that handle user-generated content or communications.
The laws tend to favor big-tech and trial lawyers, since it would require teams of lawyers to consider all possible scenarios when any online service could theoretically be used to "facilitate" sex trafficking. The Senate voted down a proposed amendment by Ron Wyden that stipulated website moderation is not the same as nor contributes to liability.
There you have it folks -- Welcome to the United States of America, please turn your calendars back 60 years. The time is now 1952.
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lhardwick69
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theres been sites disappear offline last few months I liked going to a lot--one site was x-adult.org--so now I miss this site it posted a lot of porn clips and movies and had a ton of twink pornand now its gone--id like to find more sites like it but hard to find so message me pm or here lets share sites go to get porn
Don't think this is the real reason. Tumblr never indicated or hinted that these laws were the reason for blocking porn from its platform. And that would have been better for the media image of Tumblr because then the U. S. politicians who approved these laws would have gotten the blame for banning porn from Tumblr and not Tumblr itself.
The real reason for blocking porn from Tumblr is much simpler: MONEY. The problem is that mainstream companies do not want to be associated with porn (whether straight or gay). So Tumblr cannot put ads of these companies with adult content. A substantial part of the Tumblr platform is dedicated to adult content which does not generate any money, only cost them money.
Last year Tumblr prescribed that adult content could not be hosted on its servers (but could be hosted on third party servers and then posted on Tumblr). This was a clear sign that Tumblr wanted to get rid of the adult content.
Twitter hosts much porn on its platform but in the last few weeks never indicated (to my knowledge) that SESTA and FOSTA will force Twitter to get rid of the adult content. But Twitter will face the same problem as Tumblr: it is very hard to make money of adult content. So the questions follows: how long will Twitter allow porn on its platform?
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I can see the two reasons going hand-in-hand. Money would have two seats at the table: both advertising dollars and the potential fiscal liability should they be sued or prosecuted. Tumblr has never been very good or clear in their communications, especially with their new CEO.
Tumblr was purchased by Yahoo some time back. Way back when, Yahoo hosted lots of adult groups, went through some leadership changes, then restricted and deleted those adult groups. It could be Yahoo corporate level squeamishness over adult content. In both cases, there were some blogs that had questionable or illegal content. However, a search on Tumblr for "titty" gets few, if any, returns but a search for "nazi" gets scads. I have no problems with the former and many with the latter.
Sadly, companies have fewer concerns over hate than human bodies. Why none of them point out the legislation as reason for restriction, I have yet to figure out. They certainly don't want to openly state money as the reason; that could bite the hand that feeds.
Yes, more internet content will face this issue soon.
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For bloggers who haven't abandoned tumblr, there is still (for some, but not all, blogs) a NFSW 'view' available through tumbex (for which you don't even need a login, although you do have to agree to their privacy settings), e.g.
(this actually provides a superior view to the logged-in tumblr view, as the content is covers most of the screen, rather than just the right-hand side and, for the most part, tumbex doesn't 'waste space' with posts now deemed by tumblr to contain adult content)
PHP:
https://www.tumbex.com/mmmmmatthewcamp.tumblr/postsI liked tumbr for their thumbnail archive section -- scrolling reduced by 1/6th or more! And once you found a blog (should i call them tumblrs?) you liked it was very easy to find dozens of blogs with similar taste all linked together.
What's particularly awful is that they didn't allow anyone to keep some sort of simple page where they could tell regular viewers where they have moved their new site to -- even if only for a month. That would have been a nice courtesy (to posters AND viewers) after dumping content. It reads like a "fuck you get out" Who knows where all those wonderful sites went? Now you just get a "tumblr may contain sensitive data" page with a link to dashboard that says nothing. And everything is now dispersed all over the place.
As someone mentioned they could have had another branch that handled adult content with a different name -- like "family friendly" Disney who apparently own a chunk of VICE which is kind-of funny.
I'm not sure why i typed this its all old news now. Ho Hum.
What's particularly awful is that they didn't allow anyone to keep some sort of simple page where they could tell regular viewers where they have moved their new site to -- even if only for a month. That would have been a nice courtesy (to posters AND viewers) after dumping content. It reads like a "fuck you get out" Who knows where all those wonderful sites went? Now you just get a "tumblr may contain sensitive data" page with a link to dashboard that says nothing. And everything is now dispersed all over the place.
As someone mentioned they could have had another branch that handled adult content with a different name -- like "family friendly" Disney who apparently own a chunk of VICE which is kind-of funny.
I'm not sure why i typed this its all old news now. Ho Hum.
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