Unconventional Theories

[W!nston]

Feel free to add unconventional theories to this thread. I will be adding others as they come up.

Some theories about the history of mankind's existence on earth and the possible existence of life elsewhere in our solar system and beyond are not only entertaining they challenge the rigid dogma of the established official 'theories'. They are ridiculed the same as the theory earth is round and the earth is not the center of the universe but orbits the sun. Science should be less dogmatic.

A lot of these unconventional theories are flawed but there are some that should be investigated with an open mind.

Today I saw an interesting photo from the Mars Curiosity rover. In it's tenth year of exploration and still going it continues to look for clues to the history of Mars. This photo shows a symbol etched into a rock on Mars. It is an Irish Cross inside of a perfect circle. It is identical to Irish Crosses found on earth. It raises some very interesting questions. It also fuels my imagination and I want to know more.

I know there will be some who scoff at any speculation that this find is anything other than a natural occurrence. It's good to have doubt but it's also good to be willing to consider possibilities.

 

[W!nston]

Today I saw an interesting photo from the Mars Curiosity rover. In it's tenth year of exploration and still going it continues to look for clues to the history of Mars. This photo shows a symbol etched into a rock on Mars. It is an Irish Cross inside of a perfect circle. It is identical to Irish Crosses found on earth. It raises some very interesting questions. It also fuels my imagination and I want to know more.

Irish cross embedded on Mars? Opportunity rover photos ancient symbol
Examiner,com | By Norman Byrd | October 14, 2014 6:39 PM MST

In one of the strangest photographic finds during the exploration of Mars, what looks like an Irish cross has been revealed in a NASA photo of the rust-red surface. Not only what appears to an Irish cross, actually, but an enclosing circle as well. It is a familiar symbol known worldwide on planet Earth. So what is it doing on Mars?

UFO Sightings Daily reported Oct. 12 that the image resembling an Irish cross was picked up in a photograph taken by NASA's Opportunity rover, which has now been on Mars for more than a decade, in July. The cross-inside-a-circle imprint on the Martian surface was captured by the rover's Microscopic Imager camera.

Scott C. Waring of UFOSightingsDaily.com, suggests that the image can be one of three things: A tiny fossil creature, a unique crystal formation, or micro technology. He then explains why the first two possibilities are unlikely.

"It may be a fossil of a micro creature, but the ring around it makes it unlikely," Waring posts. It has very few similarities to crystal, but again the ring causes me to rule that one out, however micro technology might be the most likely. Ancient tech, especially small would be very useful to regulate plants, animals and other ecosystems to create a controlled environment. Sure Mars is dry and barren, however NASA Chief Charles Bolden said in the UK this week that Mars did have life on it and may still. Ancient micro tech would explain such an advanced world, far beyond our own."

(Bolden's actual quote was: "It is the most likely planet in our solar system, um, that had life at one time… may have life now, and we feel can definitely sustain life.” The operative term in his statement was "most likely," which in no way definitively marks a position. Waring made the case in an earlier posting that the NASA chief's hesitation and mannerisms indicate that he was hiding the truth -- which was, he surmised, that NASA has already discovered evidence of life on Mars but has yet to announce their findings. Waring could very well be correct, or he could be reading more into Bolden's comments than what was actually there.)

Of course, the image just might be a mechanical imprint of some kind. The cross-in-circle just might be the imprint of the passage of the Opportunity rover itself.

NASA has yet to comment on the latest bizarre image discovered in one of their photos taken on the Red Planet. Among those bizarre photographed images have been what looks like a statue carved out of a Martian hillside, a small rock formation that resembles a gun (or naval cannon, as one observer pointed out), and even a descending UFO. Like the odd doughnut the Curiosity rover uncovered, though, NASA appears to have had an answer for them all. (Except for the hillside statue image, which was only recently discovered -- like the Irish cross.)

Regardless, it pulls at the imagination. And if the Irish cross-like symbol is an indigenous artifact of some kind, or perhaps even some marking of an ancient bygone species, it certainly places Carl Jung's theories of universal archetypes in a more -- well, universal -- light. As was pointed out by UFO Sightings Hotspot, "The Celtic cross and Irish cross shape itself has been widely used by many ancient peoples, long before the arrival of Christianity. Its four arms were perfect for denoting the four elements, the four directions of the compass, and the four parts of man - mind, body, soul and heart. The addition of the ring around the cross has had many explanations, everything from sun worship and symbolism, to creating a shape with the cross that was well contained and aesthetically pleasing."[

Ancient Aliens On Mars: Cross Slabs Caught By Opportunity NASA, The Same Clonenagh Ireland

 

[theseeker]

A while back I was introduced this idea called the Fermi Paradox. It basically ponders this apparent contradiction in given that:

• Our Sun is a typical star, and relatively young. There are billions of stars in the galaxy that are billions of years older.
• Almost surely, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets. Assuming the Earth is typical, some of these planets may develop intelligent life.
• Some of these civilizations may develop interstellar travel, a technology Earth is investigating even now (such as the 100 Year Starship).
• Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the galaxy can be completely colonized in a few tens of millions of years.

So why hasn't anyone conquered, colonized, or even visited us yet? :? (of course according to reputable sources, not tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists )

And it turns out, if you ask many scientists about this, you will get MANY different theories, and none substantial enough to be more plausible than the others. This interesting article (a rather long read) lists most of the more popular theories/explanations regarding the Fermi Paradox, some of them being more supportive of humanity's existence, others predicting future events that are extremely detrimental to mankind and have very little possibility of overcoming. It's a great read, and I recommend you guys to read if you're interested!

AND one more thing...... This is a science fiction short story that I came across many, many years back, and stuck with me ever since...... Just throwing it out there since it's related to what I said above....

 

[dargelos]

I must have read the Meat story somewhere else, it seems familiar.
It's a space exploration tale but I read it as a parable about irrational predudice. The explorers are of something like animatronic construction so from their own point of view the biological bodies of the humans are dirty, inefficient, disease ridden things so they dont want to meet them. If they did make contact with human society they might learn something but since they won't do that they'll never know what they're missing.
Reminds me of some humans attitude to their fellow humans.

 

[garth33]

Try this one on for size boys:big hug: Hope I'm not showing my age but go back and find an old episode of the Twilight Zone series titled "To Serve Man". I think this was done in 1962 which (SUPRISE) predates even me by many years but I remember seeing this episode in reruns and it FREAKING ME THE F*CK OUT!

And this was from 52 YEARS ago - WOW!!!!

peace I hope:worried:
g33

 

[W!nston]

The 'Fermi Paradox' article was a great read. One line was very quotable: “the silence of the night sky is golden” referring to the idea we are alone therefore we are not in danger of a more advanced species of life finding us a potential threat to be eliminated or a resource they might use. No bad alien predators in other words.

I read somewhere that it might be easier to travel through time than space. The closer to the speed of light we travel our perception of time is altered. It isn't a giant leap to theorize that some earth civilization in the future or past might have been advanced enough to travel into their future or past.

Periods of cooling known as 'glacial periods' and warming known as 'interglacials' occur in between Ice Ages. The glacial and interglacial periods occur in cycles of 12,000 to 50,000 years. This cycle brings about rises and falls in sea level and the advance and retreat of glaciers. The world's greatest urban areas are vulnerable to changes in sea level and always have been. The movement of glaciers carve the continents and crush everything in their path. Any evidence of previous human civilizations in the distant past would be erased by these forces and others. In 50,000 years there will be no trace of our existence.

There are those who will scoff at theories that challenge conventional ones. If evidence exists of advanced ancient civilizations maybe we'll find it on the moon or Mars or maybe an asteroid or comet they landed on - as we are doing today. In 50,000 years there may be no trace of the Smithsonian Air & Space museum but relics from the Apollo missions will still be parked where we left them on the moon. Any surviving humans may be living in a primitive society that evolves to an advanced society that develops technology and begins to explore the solar system as we are doing. They may find the Moon Buggies from the 1970s. Maybe their scientists and philosophers will be willing to entertain theories about mankind's history and maybe they will share the information with the public.

I'm just sayin'...

 

[brmstn69]

So why hasn't anyone conquered, colonized, or even visited us yet? :? (of course according to reputable sources, not tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists )

Because the Prime Directive forbids contact with non-warp capable species...

 

[dargelos]

Here is the tv show that garth33 recommended.
Aliens were so much nicer in those days, they even let you smoke on their spaceships. And not even Emirates can offer that much legroom.

 

[ihno]

If you see aliens with a book "how to serve humans", don't think they're friendly, guys!

edit: shit - or funny...
When I saw the preview of the youtube-video the episode of the "twilight zone" popped into my mind. Hhhm, Lloyd Bochner, I always loved the guy. When I was a kid I watched Dynasty and he was Blake's attorney.

edit: No, he was Alexis' husband Cecil Colby. Blake's attorney was Peter Mark Richman, whom I liked him just as much.

 

[W!nston]

Yeah, yeah. Funny stuff

The TZ episode "To Serve Man" is about an alien race who come to earth, promising peace and sharing technology. A linguist and his team set out to translate the alien's language, using a book whose title they deduce is "To Serve Man". The alien race call themselves the Kanamit.

It's even funnier that Stephen Hawking warned us we should not be so eager to invite extra terrestrials to our cozy little planet for the same reason revealed in that TZ episode.

Of course Hawking is just another one of your garden variety conspiracy theorists so what does he know anyway? ROFL

 

[W!nston]

Was Roswell UFO Crash A Secret Nazi Aircraft?

Was Roswell UFO Crash A Secret Nazi Aircraft?
Huffington Post Weird News | 10/30/2014 8:01 am EDT

The Roswell, New Mexico, UFO crash of 1947 was the result of -- here it comes, wait for it -- top secret Nazi technology. No alien spacecraft, no alien bodies, but an aircraft called the "Bell" (depicted above from a 2008 Discovery Channel doentary).

At least that's what a new German film seems to suggest, according to OpenMinds.tv.

To be sure, it's questionable what actually happened in the outskirts of that small town 67 years ago. But it's also questionable if this film will ever see the light of day.

At least, here's the most truthful thing known about the incident: Something came out of the sky in July 1947 and crashed on a ranch near Roswell. But what that "something" was has become a nearly 70-year-old legend.

Everything from extraterrestrial spacecraft to weather balloon to military high altitude device for spying on Soviet nuclear testing has been offered for the identity of the crashed object.

And now, the film, supposedly called "UFOs and the Third Reich," is promoting another theory: A 10-foot-wide, 12-foot-high, anti-gravity, bell-shaped craft, combining rocket and helicopter technology, created by Nazi Germany, fell into the hands of the U.S. in 1943, who further developed the project. An alleged test of the Bell resulted in its crash, which became the event that started the Roswell UFO saga.

Stories about the Nazi Bell have cropped up in the UFO literature for many years, including Discovery Channel's 2008 "Nazi UFO Conspiracy."

Watch Discovery Channel's "Nazi UFO Conspiracy" below:

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"This is what I saw, with my own eyes -- a Nazi UFO," German aeronautical engineer Georg Klein is reputed to say in "UFOs and the Third Reich." "I don't consider myself a crackpot or eccentric or someone given to fantasies."

The new film is also rumored to focus on German engineer, Joseph Andreas Epp, who reportedly worked on a UFO project which resulted in several saucer-shaped vehicles that supposedly included dome-shaped cabins and a rotating rim.

"The wing blades would be allowed to rotate freely as the saucer moved forward, as in an auto-gyrocopter," Epp said. "In all probability, the wing blades speed -- and so, their lifting value -- could also be increased by directing the adjustable horizontal jets slightly upwards to engage the blades, thus spinning them faster at the digression of the pilot."

If the so-called Bell UFO is what actually crashed outside of Roswell in 1947, it would contradict the many military eyewitnesses who eventually came forward and described the physical appearance and otherworldy characteristics of the object that fell out of the New Mexico sky -- not to mention their descriptions of several small humanoid occupants of the craft.

This isn't the first time we've looked at the so-called Nazi-UFO-Alien connection.

Back in 2011, investigative reporter Annie Jacobsen raised a controversial question in her book about the top secret Nevada military base, known as Area 51: Did former Soviet leader Joseph Stalin recruit Josef Mengele, the Nazi "Angel of Death," to surgically alter children to look like aliens in 1947, and did they place these malformed adolescents on board a Soviet spy plane to be part of the Roswell UFO crash?

At the beginning of 2014, we examined a wild story that suggested the U.S. government has been under the control of a shadow government overseen by extraterrestrials who helped Nazi Germany's rise in the 1930s.

The current German doentary certainly won't bring more answers to the Roswell debate. At the very least, it offers further questions about who and what to believe of the biggest UFO controversy in history.

And, oh, there's one other thing about this "new" film. Whoever the producers of it are, they don't seem too interested in releasing any promotional clips, trailers or still images from it. An extensive Internet search hasn't turned up anything -- yet.

 

[theseeker]

At the beginning of 2014, we examined a wild story that suggested the U.S. government has been under the control of a shadow government overseen by extraterrestrials who helped Nazi Germany's rise in the 1930s.

Not extraterrestrials, but the First Civilization. And the shadow government in question? The Templars!

I'm just kidding, of course though that does sound like something Giorgio A. Tsoukalos would say.

 

[Shelter]

Until today I have not heard anything or any word from such a "film" here in Germany. I believe all of these things are pure nonsense.

And again the Nazis! Whow what all they have done in the past and perhaps in the future!!!??? - Let these Nazis be where they are: in the underworld of history!!!!

 

[garth33]

somewhere...Richard C Hoagland just got a fucking ROCK HARD ERECTION!

 

[Shelter]

Well Garth33 in our world it must give such Hoaglands - if not, about what will you laugh! These conspiracy theorists will never die out.

 

[fkboy1]

So why hasn't anyone conquered, colonized, or even visited us yet? :?

Maybe they have! Maybe We....ARE the 'Colony'!!

 

[Shelter]

Maybe they have! Maybe We....ARE the 'Colony'!!

GREAT Fkboy1 you opened my eyes! Perhaps we are living here like in the TRUMAN SHOW. Let's stand up and fight! :big hug:

 

[fkboy1]

GREAT Fkboy1 you opened my eyes! Perhaps we are living here like in the TRUMAN SHOW. Let's stand up and fight! :big hug:

Why fight when you can make LOVE!! p

 

[Shelter]

I must change my mind! Making love is really much more better! -

 

[W!nston]

Minister of Defense of Canada: 2 living ETs_working with US government

Published on May 7, 2013
Paul Hellyer, former Minister of Defense of Canada reveals:

- Some ETs Species who have visited and still visit Earth: Zeta Reticuli , Pleiadians, Orions ETs,

- Tall Whites living on US Airforce Property

- CABAL: Military Industrial Complex, Builderbergs, Cartels

- Shadow Governments, Ruling Elite, Rockerfellers, Bush etc.

This was given as part of the UFO Citizen Hearings on Disclosures that took place between 4/29/2013 and 5/3/2013

The Disclosure Project and the ET phenomena is one big con designed to push humanity into accepting global government. If you can't work how much this lends itself to manipulation by a global elite, then you need to start thinking about it.

Watch the excellent doentary "Ancient Aliens Debunked" (available on YouTube) to see the blatant lies being foisted on an unsuspecting public.
You David Icke fans should know better. He's right about the conspiracy, but wrong, oh so wrong, about the ET's.

Wake up people... you are going to be tripping over yourselves to blindly obey any "ET" that presents itself to the public.

I included the info the uploader added to this Youtube video because it made me laugh

I do wonder what Paul Hellyer's motivation would be to make such wild claims on camera in front of so many witnesses.

If he has lost some of his marbles and has gone of the reservation a little why is he so calm and rational sounding (as rational as some one making such claims in public can sound)?

I posted this one because I don't know what to think about it. I think he may know something we don't. He may have more to tell but didn't for whatever reason.

He may be nuts but I don't think so. Just IMHO.

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