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I hope instead of sitting around thinking about how you will vote for the evil of endless war and corporate power through Obama, at least some of you are joining the Occupy Wall Street movement sprouting up across the country to take on the power center at it's root. We have the power to change the system now, to stop the war profiteers, oil companies, and large corporations that work to deny us all peace, jobs, healthcare, and a clean environment. We won't get anywhere with voting for D or R; but standing up with our fellow 99% gives us a real chance. Many members of the gay community are out there, and so should we all. Unless you're happy being evil and letting the powerful bulldoze you forever.
 
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I hope instead of sitting around thinking about how you will vote for the evil of endless war and corporate power through Obama, at least some of you are joining the Occupy Wall Street movement sprouting up across the country to take on the power center at it's root. We have the power to change the system now, to stop the war profiteers, oil companies, and large corporations that work to deny us all peace, jobs, healthcare, and a clean environment. We won't get anywhere with voting for D or R; but standing up with our fellow 99% gives us a real chance. Many members of the gay community are out there, and so should we all. Unless you're happy being evil and letting the powerful bulldoze you forever.

You can join the Occupy Wall St. movement and still do your civic duty and vote. There is no dichotomy here.

In the real world, the sad fact is that it really matters in all our lives who is running our countries. Yes, politicians are in general shit-heads, but the policies they are pushing are not all the same, there are massive differences, and not voting doesn't take ANY power way from them, it does the exact opposite, it frees them from accountability.

The surest thing you can do to ensure that the most powerful offices in the land continue to be used for corporate interests over the public interest is to not vote.

Bad politicians count on a combination of apathy, distain, and a reliable fired up base.

If you must, vote for the least-bad candidate with a cloths peg on your nose like the French did en-mass a few years ago. That made a very powerful statement, while still being sure the least shitty man came to power.

Life sucks, and have to bring yourself to vote for the least shitty candidate, if you don't you are part of the problem.

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Oh Please...regardless of your politics, or who the candidates are, if you need to ask someone who you should vote for, then something is wrong with you. Educate yourself and decide for yourself who offers the best policies according to what you believe in.
 

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You generalize severely, but no, there are NOT massive differences between what the democrats and republicans are offering in the US (there is a real world beyond MSNBC right wing partisan democrats); just look at the "bipartisan deficit commission" and the DOD and you'll find a consensus on the matters that effect most people. A vote for R or D is a vote for more of the same, they both are enslaved to the same monied interests. The corporations and casino capitalists are the ones running the United States, that is the point of Occupy Wall Street, and my point was you can occupy it and change the system now; you won't be able to vote today even if you believe it's your duty to; the election is a year away, and the political landscape at that point can be radically changed by an uprising NOW. We can hold all the politicians accountable for their actions NOW; sitting around and thinking of how you'll vote in Obama despite his betrayals and otherwise doing nothing until then is not accountability. It is my civic duty to overthrow the system and the old scumbags that prop it up; subversion is the solution, not passively following the rules. It is the duty of the younger generations to throw off the bondage of broken democracies and make something new.

I envy Egypt, not France in today's world; but I'm sure the 75% of eligible voters in the US who didn't vote for Obama in 2008 appreciate you labeling them as the problem. I'm sure they'd come back by stating that you're obviously not aware of what the problem is in the first place. We have a world of options, and we are the ones who have the authority to decide what they are, it isn't up to anyone else. I find the tone of your post to be unbelievably pompous and condescending; you insult me by bringing this down to the lowest common denominator of "should we vote or not vote" when I didn't even comment on that topic in my post. I won't bother reading it next time, that's a promise.
 
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though obama continues to evolve over gay marriage, the things he's done to advance equal rights for LGBT's is amazing. on that alone, he's got my vote. the only reason I wouldn't vote for him, is that I cannot stand to hear the racist undertones whenever the anti-obama people talk about him. it's getting really old.
 

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You generalize severely, but no, there are NOT massive differences between what the democrats and republicans are offering in the US (there is a real world beyond MSNBC right wing partisan democrats); just look at the "bipartisan deficit commission" and the DOD and you'll find a consensus on the matters that effect most people. A vote for R or D is a vote for more of the same, they both are enslaved to the same monied interests. The corporations and casino capitalists are the ones running the United States, that is the point of Occupy Wall Street, and my point was you can occupy it and change the system now; you won't be able to vote today even if you believe it's your duty to; the election is a year away, and the political landscape at that point can be radically changed by an uprising NOW. We can hold all the politicians accountable for their actions NOW; sitting around and thinking of how you'll vote in Obama despite his betrayals and otherwise doing nothing until then is not accountability. It is my civic duty to overthrow the system and the old scumbags that prop it up; subversion is the solution, not passively following the rules. It is the duty of the younger generations to throw off the bondage of broken democracies and make something new.

I envy Egypt, not France in today's world; but I'm sure the 75% of eligible voters in the US who didn't vote for Obama in 2008 appreciate you labeling them as the problem. I'm sure they'd come back by stating that you're obviously not aware of what the problem is in the first place. We have a world of options, and we are the ones who have the authority to decide what they are, it isn't up to anyone else. I find the tone of your post to be unbelievably pompous and condescending; you insult me by bringing this down to the lowest common denominator of "should we vote or not vote" when I didn't even comment on that topic in my post. I won't bother reading it next time, that's a promise.

No differences?

Really?

I can understand that the argument can be made that there is not as much difference as some people would like, but reality makes a mockery of those who insist the two parties are the same.

The world the democrats strive for:
1) universal healthcare
2) reduce deficits by increasing taxes on those who can afford it rather than cutting from the poorest people
3) reduce the gap between rich and poor
4) regulate the free market to protect consumers and prevent a relapse of this recession/depression
5) a clean energy future
6) a future where political donations are open and transparent (since the supreme court has ruled money as speech)

The democrats have no achieved all of this, but they are inching in that direction, being obstructed at every turn.

By contrast, the Republicans are pushing to move the country in a very different direction
1) end as many entitlement programs as possible
2) privatise programs that can't be ended
3) protect the rich from paying a cent more than they do now
4) remove as much regulation as possible
5) shrink government so it can't effectively regulate business
6) cripple or kill the Dod Frank act
7) protect big oil (and all big business really)
8) shift the balance of power towards corporations by busting unions and stripping union rights, and removing as much control over the funding of political parties and campaigns as possible

Yes there are similarities, but they are not the same, and pretending they are is as brain-dead as the tea partyers demanding that Obama keep his government hands off their medicare.

As for bi-partisan stuff - that is how you run a country! If no one compromised NOTHING WOULD GET DONE. You can't get everything you want, no one can. So if you are prepared to give up nothing, then no one gets anything. You get things done by giving and getting. That's how democracy works! The only places you don't need to compromise are dictatorships and fantasy worlds.

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As for bi-partisan stuff - that is how you run a country! If no one compromised NOTHING WOULD GET DONE. You can't get everything you want, no one can. So if you are prepared to give up nothing, then no one gets anything. You get things done by giving and getting. That's how democracy works! The only places you don't need to compromise are dictatorships and fantasy worlds.
yeah, I agree with that. I guess some of the other posts here are from guys still living in fantasy..............sorta like jacking off and pretending you have a hot model from one of the studios in bed with you.
 
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I hope instead of sitting around thinking about how you will vote for the evil of endless war and corporate power through Obama

you really are hung up on that bullshit that Obama started all that mess and wants it to continue. in a country as big as the USA, pulling the plug on any major defense activity is not an overnight thing.you really need a serious case of reality kicking you in the butt if you actually believe what you wrote. nobody's perfect, least of all Obama, but he's way better than the rest of the fools who want his job.
 

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you really are hung up on that bullshit that Obama started all that mess and wants it to continue. in a country as big as the USA, pulling the plug on any major defense activity is not an overnight thing.

Not only am I going to agree with this, but I'm going to add to it a little.

Not even the US, with all it's advanced technology, has a time machine. As much as it is reasonable to wish that Bush had never started one or both of his wars, it's not reasonable to pretend that you can just un-do that in an instant. Just like you can't un-scramble an egg, you can't just un-do a war on a whim. Ctrl+z does not work on the Universe :)

If America were to just pull out, the result would be to make things even worse. The power vacuum left would be filled, but I promise it would not be filled by peace-loving hippies happy to have everyone live and let live how ever they please!

Chaos is bad for everyone, the Afghans themselves, America, the world. Everyone except terror networks I should say. Al Queda needs places that are lawless to provide sanctuary and to train their murderers.

If you want a recent and relevant historical example of why you can't just pull out mid-fight, you need look no further than the first gulf war, and how America abandoned the Kurds.

Obama has reasonably successfully with drawn from Iraq, and the local authorities there are now in command, with some US support. It's great to see the US playing second fiddle to the Iraqis in Iraq.

Obama's trying to repeat that reasonable success in Afghanistan, but just like in Iraq, it's a case of slowly slowly catchy monkey.

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"sandcastle" by boo junfeng

but i wish i could find his previous gay-themed movies like "keluar baris"
 

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You don't really have a choice; it's him or some right-winger associated with baptists and the teahaddists who hates gays etc. It's useless to talk about alternative greens etc. as they haven't a hope of ever winning and each vote for them is really a vote for the Republicans.
 

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"Love and Pain and the Whole Damn Thing". Old, but good. Hollywood rarely makes films of that quality.
 

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P.S I Love You.
Why do I always cry watching this movie hiks-hiks. Some tear-jerker movie it is.
 

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You don't really have a choice; it's him or some right-winger associated with baptists and the teahaddists who hates gays etc. It's useless to talk about alternative greens etc. as they haven't a hope of ever winning and each vote for them is really a vote for the Republicans.

I have a feeling you actually might have an oportunuty to vote green without voting for the republicans this time around. This is obviously just a theory, but I think Romney will get the nomination, and then I think the tea-partiers will run their own candidate, notice how Palin did not say she was not running for President, but that she would "not seek the republican party's nomination for president". If it's going to be a three party race anyway, why not vote for a green?

Pure speculation I know, and perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but when I hear words that have clearly been carefully chosen, and that clearly leave a loop-hole, spoken by a politician, I take notice.

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