... I have no wish to force somebody to do something they don't want to. It may be a porn fantasy, but if it was real life I would consider it a form of oppression. ...
Whoa! This discussion got way more interesting.
I think in one post you cut right into the middle of the basic human contradiction.
- We are animal, instinctual, creatures - adapted for a kill or be killed world where everything is stacked against us.
- We are civilized, social beings with a sense of morality and justice that has allowed us to swell in numbers but work and live cooperatively.
Freud called it the ego and the superego. St. Paul called it the fleshly nature and the godly nature.
Whatever you call it, we have a part of us that is wild, and wants what it wants. But another side of us keeps the wild side in check by adding a layer of reason, empathy, and morality.
I don't think that anyone can argue against needing "our better angels" (as Shakespeare called them) informing our actions and decisions and as we learn to treat people better.
But... that doesn't make the animal go away - it's still there and it manages to sneak out. The most obvious example is dreams - there the primal nature can run free. There are no "shoulds" and "shouldn'ts" as the imagination spins and twists and pokes into all the dark corners we keep locked away during the day.
I don't think many people would judge someone for their dreams. You can't control that.
Sex is an area that also seems to slice right into that uncontrollable primal nature.
My personal theory: Just like in music and art, I think the people who do sex best are the ones that have the ability to let go and free fall into some of that messy wildness. They don't completely abandon control - there are boundarys and love and safe words and a sense for what is appropriate at what time. But they know how to tap into that animal pulse in themselves and in their partners.
So, back to jeansGuyOZ's point, should we ever really let the tiger out of the cage? We know that rape is wrong - but what if we really just want [insert name of porn star here] to grab us and tie us up and just treat us like the sluts we know we are?
(Oops... did I just say that out loud?)
Is that just feeding the beast that we should really be taming? Have we evolved beyond that?