Age difference?

[gb2000ie]

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I'm only getting warmed up, I got a million more if you want me to post 'em. So to answer your question. Yes , compared to the barbaric practices still common throughout the rest of the world (including the UK now as it becomes more Islamic) the US is a shining light and bastion of women's freedom.

Let me guess, you believe in American Exceptionalism?

The fact that there are places outside the US that have very bad records on gender equality does NOT mean that EVERYWHERE outside the US is bad for gender equality!

You seem to think that because there are Muslims in Europe the place has become Afghanistan - the only word I can think of to describe that is Bullshit.

Actually - do you listen to Glen Beck? You seem to have as much understanding of the world as he does - NONE!

You are being unbelievably racist and insulting, and you just don't get it. Americans are not better than other people!

B.

 

[Behrluvr]

So you think everyone goes to night clubs? All the things you describe do happen, but that does not mean there is not a silent majority trying to find Mr. or Mrs. right and built a life together.

I think you live a very blinkered life, and extrapolate far too much from your life and your direct surroundings.

Love is not dead, and everyone is not out for a one night stand.

Lets see, I travel a whole lot. One of the things to do for entertainment while traveling is to go to gay bars and nightclubs and resorts. What I've discovered is that bar culture is one big nationwide community. If I'm in Seattle for example, the guys at the bars there have all been to the NYC or Boston or Provincetown or Miami/Orlando clubs. They are familiar with the place, the neighborhood, they club's format (leather, dance, etc). And even know some of the customers.

Isn't this somehow astounding? One spends so much time in bars 3000 miles away, that you know the names of the bartenders? :cheers: I'm guilty too. I live 500 miles from Montreal yet I know the bars intimately, as well as those in Tampa,NYC, LA, Denver, Portland,and Seattle. And when visiting those places the folks there know my local watering holes.

Thats a whole lot of time spent in bars, finding addresses of bars, looking for them and sometimes using them as a vacation destination (the Parliment House in Orlando :thumbs up

Maybe not everyone goes to bars but the 'vocal' 'visible' minority sure does. I don't know if thats what you mean by a blinkered life, but if you mean getting out there and interacting with live gay men then I suppose thats blinkered.

 

[gb2000ie]

Lets see, I travel a whole lot. One of the things to do for entertainment while traveling is to go to gay bars and nightclubs and resorts. What I've discovered is that bar culture is one big nationwide community. If I'm in Seattle for example, the guys at the bars there have all been to the NYC or Boston or Provincetown or Miami/Orlando clubs. They are familiar with the place, the neighborhood, they club's format (leather, dance, etc). And even know some of the customers.

Isn't this somehow astounding? One spends so much time in bars 3000 miles away, that you know the names of the bartenders? :cheers: I'm guilty too. I live 500 miles from Montreal yet I know the bars intimately, as well as those in Tampa,NYC, LA, Denver, Portland,and Seattle. And when visiting those places the folks there know my local watering holes.

Thats a whole lot of time spent in bars, finding addresses of bars, looking for them and sometimes using them as a vacation destination (the Parliment House in Orlando :thumbs up

Maybe not everyone goes to bars but the 'vocal' 'visible' minority sure does. I don't know if thats what you mean by a blinkered life, but if you mean getting out there and interacting with live gay men then I suppose thats blinkered.

What I mean is that I know the club life exists, I know there are lots of people there who have no interest in LTRs, but I also know that there are MANY MANY MANY people who are just not in that scene at all. Who have no interests in hookups or one night stands or fuck buddies. The fact that the clubs are there does not mean everyone uses them.

You literally scoffed at the idea that there are people out there who care about growing old together, that's a very blinkered view. True, people like me don't go to bars, but we do exist, and there are a lot of us!

B.

 

[Behrluvr]

Let me guess, you believe in American Exceptionalism?

I don't know what that term means but as soon as we rid ourselves of the current occupant of the White House, we will be on the road to a much nicer place.

The fact that there are places outside the US that have very bad records on gender equality does NOT mean that EVERYWHERE outside the US is bad for gender equality!

Your right, why just the other day I spoke to a woman who can't wait to emmigrate to the middle east. She's already bought a nice burqa!

You seem to think that because there are Muslims in Europe the place has become Afghanistan - the only word I can think of to describe that is Bullshit.

Your right, Theo Van Gogh deserved what he got for what he did dishonoring the prophet. And the Parisian Arrondissments ought to go up in flames each summer.

Actually - do you listen to Glen Beck? You seem to have as much understanding of the world as he does - NONE!

I listen to him each day, as well as Limbaugh, Hannity, Levine, Bohannon, Savage, Mark Stein, Jeff Kuhner, Laura Ingraham, and Quinn & Rose. How else does one expect to find out the truth about what goes on in the world? Certainly not from the leftist controlled national media. I sleep with the radio on so as not to miss anything.

You are being unbelievably racist and insulting, and you just don't get it. Americans are not better than other people!

I never said we Americans are better, those are your words. I'm stating facts which anyone can glean from any web reference source. I'm sorry it upsets you that women in many parts of the world are chattel, little more than slaves with a hole between their legs, while they are free spirits here in the US. Nonetheless that is how it is. I don't like it but I accept reality, you don't.

 

[AkiBones86]

19 and LOVE older men. sexier and more mature.

 

[gb2000ie]

I don't know what that term means but as soon as we rid ourselves of the current occupant of the White House, we will be on the road to a much nicer place.



Your right, why just the other day I spoke to a woman who can't wait to emmigrate to the middle east. She's already bought a nice burqa!



Your right, Theo Van Gogh deserved what he got for what he did dishonoring the prophet. And the Parisian Arrondissments ought to go up in flames each summer.



I listen to him each day, as well as Limbaugh, Hannity, Levine, Bohannon, Savage, Mark Stein, Jeff Kuhner, Laura Ingraham, and Quinn & Rose. How else does one expect to find out the truth about what goes on in the world? Certainly not from the leftist controlled national media. I sleep with the radio on so as not to miss anything.



I never said we Americans are better, those are your words. I'm stating facts which anyone can glean from any web reference source. I'm sorry it upsets you that women in many parts of the world are chattel, little more than slaves with a hole between their legs, while they are free spirits here in the US. Nonetheless that is how it is. I don't like it but I accept reality, you don't.

I see this is a conversation that is bound to utter failure.

You prefer to believe what Glen Beck and his compatriots say about Europe than what those who actually live there say, so this is pointless.

Your mind is made up, you have your anecdotes pre-fed to you, and no matter what I say, you will just list them off. The plural of anecdote is not data!

I could go through US news and cherry-pick incidents to prove any point I want. You can't take isolated incidents out of context and hence assume that Europe is oppressed by Muslim extremists and our women are chained to the sink.

You think America is the only place to have gender equality, and you list off some random things in some random countries as if that is some kind of proof of your point, it is not! There are places outside the US that are very bad, that does not mean the whole world outside your borders is a hell-hole!

Bad shit happens in America too, I could list off more racist incidents than I could shake a stick at, but I would not dream to use that kind of meaningless anecdote to prove that Europe is a bastion of race equality, and that the whole world sucks at race relations because there are racists in the US.

Anyhow - I think we've drifted off topic ever so slightly. I said that you should not be blind to the fact that there are issues with long term relationships with large age gaps, including the fact that you can't grow old together and retire together, and that the young partner is more likely to be widowed young. I stand by those points. I do not think that means all such relationships are bad, but that I think people need to have their eyes open when they commit to such a relationship.

You scoffed at me because apparently long term relationships are a thing of the past or some such.

B.

P.S. - as a gay man, how can you listen to so many homophobes day-in-and-day-out?

P.P.S - to REALLY stay informed you need information from all points of view, not just from one. You are every bit as ill-informed as someone who only listens to MSNBC!

 

[jaxfltop]

I have dated plenty of guys 18+ years younger than me. My only rule is they have to be legal.

 

[XMan101]

Had to laugh about those comments on the UK , good heavens, you ever been outside the USA ?? ) )

Then I read you get your information from a bunch of right wing shock jocks - paid to act like that for ratings. I stopped taking you seriously then, you're obviously winding us up, Behrluvr

 

[hawtsean]

.I'm only getting warmed up, I got a million more if you want me to post 'em..

Actually you shouldn't bother posting more. All those anecdotal happenings prove that in some regions, radical Muslims have usurped control of the true religion. I am not Muslim nor intend to convert, but I have read and studied a fair bit about that brand of faith and it is quite gentle and peaceful without gender hate - if one follows the exact teachings. It's the morons who label themselves as holy warriors who defile their own religion. Of course that is equally true of both Protestants and Catholics in Christianity, and those who profess Judaism as well. Humans tend to corrupt their own stuff.

Without dissing you personally Behrluvr, I feel that you are isolating yourself from a true world view, and depending on heavily censored and slanderous material from which you draw false conclusions. Just like they teach in computer programming classes: garbage in, garbage out.

 

[Behrluvr]

I see that no one disputes the facts I've laid out concerning the treatment of women in some other countries. An inconvenient thing there - facts. A couple of posters simply choose to pooh-pooh my opinions . Since my opinions are firmly conservative, and are not in agreement with the liberal party line, my opinions are thus inconsequential.

Same sort of thing happens when discussing conservative talk media personalities like Beck. Since his POV is in opposition to the liberal party line, and its not easy to pose counter arguments, folks like him must be marginalized with name calling behavior. If you call someone names enough times in the liberal controlled print/broadcast media, the audience will start to believe it.

The thing with the liberal mindset is they welcome all opinions as long as they are in agreement with liberal dogma.

 

[Behrluvr]

Had to laugh about those comments on the UK , good heavens, you ever been outside the USA ?? ) )

Well, yeah, I've been hanging in Quebec since my teen years, so much so I somehow picked up speaking French. My old job required trips to Brazil, Paraquay and Argentina - got fairly functional at speaking Portuguese there over time (but Spanish still eludes me). Ive been into London, several trips into Paris and all over northern France.

I used to bop into Mexico when down in that area. Unfortunately Mexico is simply too dangerous to go into now. There is an undeclared war going on there now. I get stopped by US Border Patrol all the time in Arizona, New Mexico, and southern California, and searched for possible human trafficking - I fit the profile of a coyote.

I live in a Portuguese immigrant community here in the northeast, the language and culture here is Azorean. When you go into a bank, market, liquor store, or coffee shop, its like you've teleported to Sao Miguel.

Two of my buds want me to move to Bangkok to partner in a business. I'm seriously thinking of doing it. Unfortunately asian guys just don't do it for me - I may wind up celibate in Asia unless there is some hunky Aussie expate to meet up with in Thailand.

Then I read you get your information from a bunch of right wing shock jocks - paid to act like that for ratings.

Got any evidence to back that statement up? And if true, how is that any different from left wing jocks and media pundits? Are not people like Rachel Maddow also paid to get ratings?

 

[Behrluvr]

I see this is a conversation that is bound to utter failure.

You prefer to believe what Glen Beck and his compatriots say about Europe than what those who actually live there say, so this is pointless.

I never said any such thing, those are your thoughts not mine. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Your mind is made up, you have your anecdotes pre-fed to you, and no matter what I say, you will just list them off. The plural of anecdote is not data!

I see, so my opinions have no value simply because they don't agree with the liberal viewpoint....I also don't see you offering any refutations, only pooh-poohing of my opinions because they are not liberal. No matter , I'm used to it, I encounter the same attitude all the time in discussions with liberals.

 

[Behrluvr]

You scoffed at me because apparently long term relationships are a thing of the past or some such.

I did no such thing, those are your words. I pointed out that the bars, cruise sites and web hook up places are doing a booming business. I never once said anything disparaging about you. Can you make that same claim?

P.S. - as a gay man, how can you listen to so many homophobes day-in-and-day-out?

Must you always call people names who you don't agree with? The fact of the matter is conservative talk media are anything but homophobic. They get accused of that old canard all the time. The true racists and homophobes are found in the ranks of the left.

Remember, Martin Luther King was a registered Republican while it was the Democrats who stood in the school house door in the '60s.

 

[gb2000ie]

I see that no one disputes the facts I've laid out concerning the treatment of women in some other countries. An inconvenient thing there - facts. A couple of posters simply choose to pooh-pooh my opinions . Since my opinions are firmly conservative, and are not in agreement with the liberal party line, my opinions are thus inconsequential.

Same sort of thing happens when discussing conservative talk media personalities like Beck. Since his POV is in opposition to the liberal party line, and its not easy to pose counter arguments, folks like him must be marginalized with name calling behavior. If you call someone names enough times in the liberal controlled print/broadcast media, the audience will start to believe it.

The thing with the liberal mindset is they welcome all opinions as long as they are in agreement with liberal dogma.

Are you reading a different thread or something?

I am not disputing the existence of your anecdotes, I am disputing the un-related conclusions you draw from them. This has nothing to do with party lines, but with a total lack of logic, and a clear lack of understanding of what the world outside the US is really like.

By refusing to accept anything other than far-right commentators as sources you are seeing a filtered world - that view you have does not match up to the real world we all live in.

I do not criticise Glen Beck because he is politically on the right, I criticise him because when he speaks about Europe, the place I live, I can see that he if flat-out-wrong. He is presenting a false reality which he creates by selectively choosing what to tell you and what not. The result is that those who take his perversions as gospel are utterly ignorant of the realities of the world outside the US.

No one who intentionally blinkers themselves by choosing to only listen to partisan sources can claim to be well informed about anything, except perhaps the talking points of their side.

How well informed do you think someone is who only watches MSNBC? I'd say they're pretty poorly informed, about as poorly as you are, though a mirror image of you.

I've been asking myself if you are serious, or if this is a fantastically executed parody - if it is parody it's masterfully done!

B.

 

[gb2000ie]

I did no such thing, those are your words. I pointed out that the bars, cruise sites and web hook up places are doing a booming business. I never once said anything disparaging about you. Can you make that same claim?

I didn't say you said anything disparaging against me, I said you scoffed at my point. I can tell the difference between a disagreement with my opinions and views and a personal slight.

The dictionary on my computer defines scoff as:

verb - to speak to someone or about something in a scornful or derisive way.

I gotta chuckle there. What's the divorce rate in the str8 world? 50%? 75%?
What is the average relationship length in the gay world? 6 months? 1 year? How many gay guys stay together 5 years?

I wouldn't worry about growing old together. I'd worry more about staying together 'till the end of the summer.

Ha! We used to chuckle over folks like Gsa Gsa Gabor and 'Liz Taylor with their 6 or 7 or 8 or more marriages. In reality they were just pioneers. Compared to modern lifestyles, Henry the 8th was a hacker. I'm going to my sis's wedding this July, its her 4th. Heyheyhey...:rofl:

Seems pretty derisive to me. You scoffed at my point. That is not a slight against your person, it is a comment on your point.

Must you always call people names who you don't agree with? The fact of the matter is conservative talk media are anything but homophobic. They get accused of that old canard all the time. The true racists and homophobes are found in the ranks of the left.

I don't listen to all of the right wing shows in the US - no one can, but I do follow American politics, because the sad reality is that who ever gets elected over there will have a big effect on my life, even though I can't vote for them.

I pay particular attention to sexual equality issues, and I see who lines up on what side.

I did not see Glen Beck or Rush Limbough etc speaking in favour of the repeal of DADT - the right wing lined up one after the other to speak out against it. Bringing up inane drivel like showers, or ankle grabbing as Rush is so fond of saying.

I see so many of these shock jocks try to make Americans scared of 'the gay agenda', and crusade against gay rights as if letting gay people have the same rights as straight people will be the end of freedom.

These are not people who are striving for a more inclusive America. They want a Christian America where Christian teachings are the foundation of law and society, and where gays have no rights.

When the right wing say they are 'protecting the family', what they actually mean is that their narrow definition of family is the only one that should be allowed to exist, and gays can go fuck themselves.

I have seen this with my own eyes. It is possible that I have been very unlucky, and by some fluke of luck or perhaps filters of one form or another, I have missed all the times Rush and Glen have defended gay people from the attacks of the homophobes. I'm prepared to change my mind if you can show me these people standing up for gays against the right-wing mainstream.

I don't speak out against Glen Beck's pseudo-intellectualism because of his political affiliations or convictions, I speak out against them because I have seen them to be flat-out wrong. When ever Glen describes Europe to Americans his lack of honesty and completeness is glaringly obvious. He seldom out-right lies, but instead picks and chooses a sub-set of the complex reality of the place to paint a misleading picture. The problems are often not with what he does say, but with what he doesn't. When I see how he misleads Americans about Europe, I have to assume he treats the other subjects I know less about in the same way, and hence, I don't consider him a credible source. It's not because I was told to hate Glen Beck by Kieth Olbermann or some such, it's because I've seen him in action talking about things I know about, and have seen how he operates.

Remember, Martin Luther King was a registered Republican while it was the Democrats who stood in the school house door in the '60s.

Indeed he was - the two parties have done a flip in terms of race relations. Much has changed about both the republican and democratic parties in the last 50 years. There was a time that republicans were for states rights, and democrats for centralised power, now, it's republicans pushing for federal bans on gay marriage, and pushing to prevent the gay marriages performed by the states who have decided themselves to allow it, from being recognised for federal taxes etc.. A lot changes.

I don't give a fig what party people belong to, I care about what they say, and in the case of politicians, how they vote. Actions speak louder than words, I don't want to hear politicians say they right things, I want to see them vote the right way, and I will form my opinions based only on those actions, and not on the letter they have after their name!

B.

 

[hawtsean]

I never said any such thing, those are your thoughts not mine. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I see, so my opinions have no value simply because they don't agree with the liberal viewpoint....I also don't see you offering any refutations, only pooh-poohing of my opinions because they are not liberal. No matter , I'm used to it, I encounter the same attitude all the time in discussions with liberals.

It seems that Behrluvr came looking for a dispute on several issues. Well, he got that. I am not going to parlay further on this issue, since I too hold pronounced and well-formulated opinions. I'd rather not descend into a flame war thinly disguised as opposing opinion rhetoric. I'll just view and chuckle on this one.

 

[sanfordpnpcurious]

Age is a state if mind plain and simple!

 

[gb2000ie]

Age is a state if mind plain and simple!

That's a lovely platitude, very romantic, but alas not at all relaistic.

Yes, age is somewhat fungible, but no, it is not JUST a state of mind, it's a mix of mind and body, and the fungibility is most certainly limited! No matter how old a 5 year old feels, they are young and inexperienced, and no matter how young a 90 year old feels, they can't do the limbo any more!

B.

 

[jw4833]

My first bf was 38 yrs old and I was 19 at the time and we were together for about five years. Therefore, it really doesn't matter, I kind of prefer it....

 

[freeice]

world is so diversed!