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Not too interesting. I still sit next to him. Pretty much after the week from hell something must have happened and I think he may have got talking to one of the girls who must have told him about my feelings (pre-kissgate). The next week he's as sweet as pie. However I don't care. I hate the bastard. I don't look at it, I don't talk to it. I try to erase my feelings, try not to think about it and I bully it at every opportunity and i admit I'm being a total bitch. Somehow I was hoping it would drive him away but no, he keeps coming back for more. Tomorrow its Burrito Friday and ill invite everyone else out for lunch except him.

Now, just one thought, Does that make you feel happy inside? ;)

I can't hold a grudge for very long, it makes me more happy to talk and , not necessarily forget, but at least to be pleasant again. It can really upset the ohther person more sometimes, but if not then all are friends again. It shows a mature example, doesn't mean you have to be close buddies, but bullying is only hurting yourself because you can't let go!

Think about it :)
 

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Now, just one thought, Does that make you feel happy inside? ;)

I can't hold a grudge for very long, it makes me more happy to talk and , not necessarily forget, but at least to be pleasant again. It can really upset the ohther person more sometimes, but if not then all are friends again. It shows a mature example, doesn't mean you have to be close buddies, but bullying is only hurting yourself because you can't let go!

Think about it :)

I'm not such a monster. He has his friends, I have mine. I am making a conscious effort to avoid talking to him about anything other than work. He however won't stop initiating small talk conversation. It's like that week from hell never happened. Neither of us will touch that topic. My problem is that as soon as I let my guard down I will fall for him again. We can't cant be buddies because we have nothing in common and we are opposites. However, we have a chemistry like no other and I could sit through a chick flick just because I'm spending time with him. That's the kind of connection we have. He likes fashion. I like sports. Before the fall out I felt this is someone I could see myself spending the rest of my life with and here is someone whose every flaw I'm prepared to put up with. Then we had the incident. The reaction. Now I feel I don't know him and I can't be that vulnerable again. His mood changes like a traffic light. Mine don't.
 

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I've got to agree with Xman here dude! Although I wrote earlier that he deserved a good cold shoulder, that doesn't means it has to be forever. It takes more energy to hold a grudge at someone than forgiving someone for their cowardice. If I was holding a grudge for all those little things Alex and I went through I'd hate its guts for the rest of my life. But somehow, deep inside you do not hate him as much as you believe you do, since you still want him to notice that you were hurt by giving him the silent treatment while he's trying to reach out to you. The problem with this situation Alex is that it will go around and turns against you... where everyone were on your side for having been played, you will lose those supporters now that you turned the table and becoming the persecutor.

I have explained at some point the psychological view on drama triangle and you are soaking RIGHT in it my friend. At the top you have - "The Victim" on the left lower peak you find "The rescuer" and finally the bottom right there's the "Persecutor". Just like the infamous love triangle, the drama triangle suggests that you can occupy any role at anytime. So you were the victim, turned into the persecutor and now your coworkers are the rescuer and the dude is now victim of your sentimental bullying. Do you see how this shit will keep going in circle until it reach a point of no-return.

The drama triangle is a diagram used in behavioral psychology to explain modes of behavior that people relate from, often unconsciously, in order to avoid feeling shame the shame isn't usually related to the actual event at hand, when the roles are being played. Instead, the roles themselves become like a pattern set up to avoid feelings of shame for some deep-rooted historical event.

Alex be the better man and forgive him, don't want to talk to him... fine but at least give yourself an emotional break by knowing that you won't be the bully that all gay detests.:cheers:

You're right. I'm going to stop being mean to him. I am very hurt though. We seemed so meant for each other. It was like I knew his thoughts and he knew mine. We didn't even need words. That's what lead to the kiss. It felt like it was so coming. Then disaster. We had that week where I questioned everything I felt and thought I knew. I never realised something I thought he wanted so bad would seem to cause him so much upset. That's the last thing I ever wanted.

Even today, he was teasing me and trying to make me laugh despite my meanness and bullying. Whatever I do to him, however grumpy i am he just tries to make me smile.

As soon as I let my guard down I feel he will hurt me again. Maybe he does just want to be friends but I just can't deal with that.

Before, during and after, to this day, at every moment, I can honestly say my feelings have been that he's a great guy and all I ever want is for him to be happy either with me or with someone else.
 

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You're right. I'm going to stop being mean to him. I am very hurt though. We seemed so meant for each other. It was like I knew his thoughts and he knew mine. We didn't even need words. That's what lead to the kiss. It felt like it was so coming. Then disaster. We had that week where I questioned everything I felt and thought I knew. I never realised something I thought he wanted so bad would seem to cause him so much upset. That's the last thing I ever wanted.

Even today, he was teasing me and trying to make me laugh despite my meanness and bullying. Whatever I do to him, however grumpy i am he just tries to make me smile.

As soon as I let my guard down I feel he will hurt me again. Maybe he does just want to be friends but I just can't deal with that.

Before, during and after, to this day, at every moment, I can honestly say my feelings have been that he's a great guy and all I ever want is for him to be happy either with me or with someone else.

Hey Alexxx:

Yeah...stop being mean to him...it seems that he is going out of his way to repair what went wrong between you two and for someone to do that means that they do have care and concern about you. Remember all the things that you've written to me about my situation and I am forever grateful to you for that..in fact, I still go back from time to time read them again. Therefore, I do think you are a great guy and with that being said, you should meet your friend half way because he is trying to make an effort...and I totally understand you mentioning about protecting yourself in order not to get hurt again...so, my opinion would be for you to take one day at a time until you began to feel comfortable around him..Peace, JW :big hug:
 
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I take all this as a warning.

I'm in a similar situation, but BEFORE any kiss, but I hope I'm now old enough and clued up enough to see enough signs before anything happens.

We will be spending time together alone in the not too distant future I'm sure of that. He wants to come for dinner! We will drink wine & whisky and he's too far away to go home afterwards.

I have no idea if he feels the same way but there are some signs you can't ignore. I'm probably walking into a trap of my own making, I hate complications, I don't date, I like my life as it is.

Why do we still do this ?? Why are we so weak to those sexy eyes !

Perhaps next year I'll be starting a similar thread :p
 

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Hey Alexxx:

Yeah...stop being mean to him...it seems that he is going out of his way to repair what went wrong between you two and for someone to do that means that they do have care and concern about you. Remember all the things that you've written to me about my situation and I am forever grateful to you for that..in fact, I still go back from time to time read them again. Therefore, I do think you are a great guy and with that being said, you should meet your friend half way because he is trying to make an effort...and I totally understand you mentioning about protecting yourself in order not to get hurt again...so, my opinion would be for you to take one day at a time until you began to feel comfortable around him..Peace, JW :big hug:

Well we didn't speak the first week and there was a lot of silence and hostility on his side. My reaction was hurt, pain and then I went into 'The Mode' which is pretty much where I become super-defensive and in a flight or flight scenario I always turn to fight. And boy do I fight. So now, for the last two weeks he's being nice. Taking everything I throw at him and still smiles. After I give him a ton of shit he just acts like toning has happened and gives me a silly compliment. He's like Teflon. If I stop being mean now it's because he's successfully managed to wear me out. I'm just scared as hell because I know I'll fall for him again right away.
 

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Dude..if your friend trying to make amend give him a chance., its good for you both after all, sitting next to each other working in the same environment. For how long do you see yourself dragging the emotion and stuffs about what happened that already passed week. Lighten up man, give a fresh breath to it all even if just friendship., its far better than bitterness and nothing.

It's not that simple. We have a chemistry. I will fall for him again and he will hurt me again because....he is not ready. I've got to learn to move on and find other fish.
 

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I take all this as a warning.

I'm in a similar situation, but BEFORE any kiss, but I hope I'm now old enough and clued up enough to see enough signs before anything happens.

We will be spending time together alone in the not too distant future I'm sure of that. He wants to come for dinner! We will drink wine & whisky and he's too far away to go home afterwards.

I have no idea if he feels the same way but there are some signs you can't ignore. I'm probably walking into a trap of my own making, I hate complications, I don't date, I like my life as it is.

Why do we still do this ?? Why are we so weak to those sexy eyes !

Perhaps next year I'll be starting a similar thread :p

We can fall in love with the most unlikeliest of people in the most unfavourable of circumstances. I would have a much greater regret staying silent and missing that opportunity and watch him hook up with someone else. If I want someone I go for it. Sometimes it ends up in happiness sometimes it ends in pain. At the end of the day t least he knows how I feel and the ball was in his court.
 

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We can fall in love with the most unlikeliest of people in the most unfavourable of circumstances. I would have a much greater regret staying silent and missing that opportunity and watch him hook up with someone else. If I want someone I go for it. Sometimes it ends up in happiness sometimes it ends in pain. At the end of the day t least he knows how I feel and the ball was in his court.

And you know what??? He may end up being the love of your life. Sometimes relationships that starts off rocky sometimes end up being an incredible situation. But I like your change of attitude towards the situation. I have to say that I am proud of you for that. :thumbs up:
 

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Well we didn't speak the first week and there was a lot of silence and hostility on his side. My reaction was hurt, pain and then I went into 'The Mode' which is pretty much where I become super-defensive and in a flight or flight scenario I always turn to fight. And boy do I fight. So now, for the last two weeks he's being nice. Taking everything I throw at him and still smiles. After I give him a ton of shit he just acts like toning has happened and gives me a silly compliment. He's like Teflon. If I stop being mean now it's because he's successfully managed to wear me out. I'm just scared as hell because I know I'll fall for him again right away.

Just take it one step at a time with your guards up in order to protect yourself. However, just my opinion...but the actions that you have shown have seemed to compel him to have more of an interest in you because he could have easily gave up. But like you've mentioned, the ball is in his court, now..let him take the lead and if its in your favor...play along until you feel its safe to let your guards down if that's the case...
 

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I admire you, Alex. You go for it. But this guy" is not ready". Maybe you freaked this guy out. Some guys haven't had this before, and take charge Alex was a little scary when the moment happened.

So now what? He's had some time to think. Maybe he's more ready now. Maybe he's just being nice because he needs his job.

Understand that your feelings are half the picture. What does he think? What does he feel? It's not just you, Alex. It's obvious you really like this boy. So stop bullying him. Start... what?

You work with him every day. Monday..there he is. At some point, you boys have to talk. Tell him how you feel. Say you are REALLY sorry for being bully Alex. You can both learn from this, whatever the outcome.
 

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And you know what??? He may end up being the love of your life. Sometimes relationships that starts off rocky sometimes end up being an incredible situation. But I like your change of attitude towards the situation. I have to say that I am proud of you for that. :thumbs up:

I thought he was the love of my life a month ago. It's weird. We've been working together for almost a year and got closer and closer until one day it hit me.
I don't know whether he's just playing hard to get or he's genuinely confused. If it was anyone else about anything else I would just confront them and we'd discuss it out, come to a conclusion and deal with it but this time it's too painful. It's this horrible feeling of seeing something you want so bad slip out of your hands and there is nothing you can do about it.i go back to my memories as a kid when I'd lost something precious to me and I'd cry. It feels like that. As an adult I'm mature enough to bury my feelings on this. The less I think about it, the less I want it. I'm sure someone else will come along. Right now, I'm thinking this just wasn't meant to be. I'm moving on, I'm being more civil and my old feelings are becoming just a memory. Like falling out of love with an ex. It's sad but you don't always get a happy ever after.
 

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Just take it one step at a time with your guards up in order to protect yourself. However, just my opinion...but the actions that you have shown have seemed to compel him to have more of an interest in you because he could have easily gave up. But like you've mentioned, the ball is in his court, now..let him take the lead and if its in your favor...play along until you feel its safe to let your guards down if that's the case...

My guard is definitely up. If he was being mean to me now it would be so easy but he's being nice. That hurts. If I'm being mean, he responds by being even nicer. I wish he would stop being nice so I could carry on hating him for hurting me. So now im stuck in a confusing limbo. I will let my guard down when i can be 100% sure I won't be hurt again.
 

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I admire you, Alex. You go for it. But this guy" is not ready". Maybe you freaked this guy out. Some guys haven't had this before, and take charge Alex was a little scary when the moment happened.

So now what? He's had some time to think. Maybe he's more ready now. Maybe he's just being nice because he needs his job.

Understand that your feelings are half the picture. What does he think? What does he feel? It's not just you, Alex. It's obvious you really like this boy. So stop bullying him. Start... what?

You work with him every day. Monday..there he is. At some point, you boys have to talk. Tell him how you feel. Say you are REALLY sorry for being bully Alex. You can both learn from this, whatever the outcome.

He's in his 20s I'm in my 30s. I always figured that had a part to play. I used to party and live care free a few years ago. I've grown up since. He still likes his fun, freedom fancy dress parties. Good for him. I want him to enjoy his life. I think I'm in a place in my life where I'm ready to settle whereas he's still where I was 5 yrs ago. I don't think being 26 is too young to be in a serious relationship. We've talked about marriage and kids in the future so I know he has that on the cards and is serious relationship material. His maturity has surprised me sometimes. He's definitely had time to think. I'm not sure where he is. He is entitled to a happy working environment so I don't want to cross the line and make him address issues he's not comfortable with. So we have a"working " relationship. I just haven't said or done anything out of line since. The problem is I'm so detached from him that even if he was interested I'm not sure it would be a good idea to pursue it. We are at work and we are supposed to be working so that should always come first.

Anyways I'm not sorry for being a bully and no I won't talk to him about it. The nicest I can be is let him be. I don't wanna know about his weekends or his evenings. He can do what he likes, ill do what I like
 

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My guard is definitely up. If he was being mean to me now it would be so easy but he's being nice. That hurts. If I'm being mean, he responds by being even nicer. I wish he would stop being nice so I could carry on hating him for hurting me. So now im stuck in a confusing limbo. I will let my guard down when i can be 100% sure I won't be hurt again.

Alexxx: I really believe that he is being nice to you because I think he is genuinely confused or was about his feelings earlier. And now that you've shown him that he has really hurt you by not reciprocating the way you would have liked him to. Honestly, I think your reaction has helped him come to terms with his feelings because now, he may realize that you feel the same way he has probably felt about you secretly but was afraid to display them. Just give the guy a little lead way and see where it goes because I think you still have feelings for him and if this can work out for the better even if it may result to you establishing some kind of a friendship, then give him a chance to show his "true colors" before you close the chapter on him for good...Just my suggestion/advice...think about it..
 

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My guard is definitely up. If he was being mean to me now it would be so easy but he's being nice. That hurts. If I'm being mean, he responds by being even nicer. I wish he would stop being nice so I could carry on hating him for hurting me. So now im stuck in a confusing limbo. I will let my guard down when i can be 100% sure I won't be hurt again.

Alexxx:

For him to start being nice towards you after you've been so mean to him lately is a confirmed sign that he does care about you and he is also feeling bad about hurting your feelings. To me, that says a lot because I feel that if he wanted a way out to avoid you altogether, your being mean would have been the perfect segue for him to do so. However, he is making an effort to mend the situation. Just sit back and let him take the lead to show you. By letting him take the lead on the situation will give you the opportunity to see what is genuine first hand. This way, you will not get hurt again because the stage is his and you are letting him perform solo..get it...
 

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Alexxx: I really believe that he is being nice to you because I think he is genuinely confused or was about his feelings earlier. And now that you've shown him that he has really hurt you by not reciprocating the way you would have liked him to. Honestly, I think your reaction has helped him come to terms with his feelings because now, he may realize that you feel the same way he has probably felt about you secretly but was afraid to display them. Just give the guy a little lead way and see where it goes because I think you still have feelings for him and if this can work out for the better even if it may result to you establishing some kind of a friendship, then give him a chance to show his "true colors" before you close the chapter on him for good...Just my suggestion/advice...think about it..

He's being nice to me because he knows everything. He knows I like him. He knows he likes me. He knows I'm being mean because I'm mad at him. His being 'nice' to me is just him playing. He knows he melts my heart and he knows my reaction is pretty much all for show. He knows I'm behaving the opposite to how I feel to deflect my true feelings. He is enjoying being a tease. He knows he's in control. He knows he has a hold over me. I can't change how I feel about him. He knows that and I know that. He also knows I hate the fact that I feel the way I do about him and he knows there is nothing I can do about it.
 

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Alexxx:

For him to start being nice towards you after you've been so mean to him lately is a confirmed sign that he does care about you and he is also feeling bad about hurting your feelings. To me, that says a lot because I feel that if he wanted a way out to avoid you altogether, your being mean would have been the perfect segue for him to do so. However, he is making an effort to mend the situation. Just sit back and let him take the lead to show you. By letting him take the lead on the situation will give you the opportunity to see what is genuine first hand. This way, you will not get hurt again because the stage is his and you are letting him perform solo..get it...

No. Imagine someone hot, who knows they're hot, who knows they turn you on. What are they experts at? Teasing. Enjoying the attention. Enjoying the power and control. Acting coy. Sweet, innocent and peachy. Knowing they're safe. That is he to a tee.
 

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No. Imagine someone hot, who knows they're hot, who knows they turn you on. What are they experts at? Teasing. Enjoying the attention. Enjoying the power and control. Acting coy. Sweet, innocent and peachy. Knowing they're safe. That is he to a tee.

AleXXX:

WOW...my perspective would have been different if you had shared this piece of information earlier. Now, I totally understand why you responded the way you did. Actually, I knew someone like that. You've described the guy who had raped me that I've written on the forum about. You see, he too was extremely handsome and in his late 20's and like the attention that he got from both sexes. However, once he found out that I was gay, he found it very difficult to comprehend with the fact that I was not coming on to him. My behavior of treating him like a respectable individual made him pursue me even more. In fact, the first time that he visited my home alone over Christmas Eve of that year, we were drinking and having a pleasant conversation and he excused himself to go to the bathroom and when he came back, he was totally naked and trying to persuade me to have some form of sexual contact with him which at that time, he was into frottage and oral and kissing. What made him confused about me was that I turned him down and he was so dumbfounded that I actually did that to him. I remember he would question me about my sexuality once I came out to him because he could not understand why I did not make advances towards him. You see, I am not a fan of conceited, arrogant people and although I treat everyone with respect, I keep the relationship at that level. However, I'm full-blooded man and if this hot man wants to come on to me aggressively with constant nudity whenever he's in my presence with all of his cocky talk, I figured I will let him have the platform just to see if he can back up his talk.

Therefore, the more he was around me alone, the more he would try to push the envelope with teasing and coyness just to see if I would finally react the way he had been accustomed to. What I found intriguing about him was that he would come by my place every single day which involved him wanting to cuddle and laying on top of me in bed which evolved into him wanting to take me out to meet his male friends and when he saw that I got along great with them, it made him begin to have feelings for me that he was not expecting to happen. His game had gotten so transparent whenever he was around me that a couple of his friends could see the chemistry from him that made them curious of our relationship. You see, they knew I was gay, but they were not sure of his sexuality because he was always seen in public with beautiful women.

What I don't think I shared with you when I had initially told the forum about him was that one time, we did actually got sexual with each other a month prior to him sexually abusing me. And I have to tell you that like your guy, he just knew that once we got busy, he would have power over me. However, the situation reversed because what he failed to realize that because I was in my middle 30's and have had a few seasoned relationships with older men, I knew my way around the sex arena pretty well. Man, I had him yelling and squirming all over the bed and that was just with foreplay and oral sex. He began to tell me how much he loved me and how he has been dreaming and waiting for this moment to happen. What really got me after that night was that I had assumed that because of the confusion that appeared on his face the next morning, he would keep his distance and stop visiting me altogether. To my surprise, he started acting as if we were boyfriends especially out of the public's eye. There were many times though that when he and his buddies would invite me out, he would sit next to me and grab my hand and hold it tight under the table. When I would look up, he would be mouthing "I am falling in love with you" or "I Love You So Much". He also began to talk in private about us becoming a couple. I declined to pursue it because I felt that he needed to some self-exploring because I knew that he was confused about the gay scene as well as embracing it, and I did not want to be a part of that or better yet, be accused of being the person to bring out into the gay scene even though I knew of him messing around in the closet with a couple of other guys.

Now that you've shared this little tidbit about your friend...my advice to you has changed. BE CAREFUL!!! I still think you should be nice and cordial to him and I do believe that he does like you but I fail to think now with this new information that he does not like you the way you like him. He loves the attention that not only you are giving, but everyone else around him. And yes, he is very much aware of your interest in him. With that being said, if anything does evolve from this situation, would probably be just a sexual situation but not boyfriend material. In all honesty, he will hurt you more than what he has done already if you do not keep your guards up with him at all times. I hope I have not caused you any anger with what I am writing, but because I like you, I think I should be honest and have your back.
 

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Than let him grow up! Being hot is one thing, but he'll learn fast enough that being cute and dandy isn't the only thing... when he'll be ready to settle he would have built himself a very bad reputation already... and although he'll want to fix it it would be too late. Sometimes they just need to suffer a little bit more. So I'd say that you're well positioned to know what game he's playing and thus I have to say let him play... your moment of glory will come but play right and don't be mean or a bully to him. You are 10 years older... show it:cheers:

Hey Jake:

I totally agree with you. In my recent response to this topic, I had mentioned that this guy is not boyfriend material. However, what you've mentioned makes a lot of sense. Let him grow up...he is still in that fascination stage and later on, he will be able to look for something solid. Like you said, he's going to have to go through something in order to wake him up or have is epiphany so to speak before he actually gets it..Great advice, Jake:thumbs up:
 
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