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Enough of the Islamophobia already

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Then again, you have to wonder if the extremists really believe in the religion they progress to love or do they use it to try to produce more evil? I'm going more with the latter.

As am I.

The problem is extremists - all of them. Not Christianity, not Judaism, not Islam.

Don't make billions of good people 'the enemy' when you need their help to fight the extremism that makes EVERYONE's lives worse.

B.
 

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hi guys, this is my first post in this forum and i m the newbie here. i m from Turkey. and Turkey is most free country in islamic world, secular and modern laws system builted by Ataturk revulations.( by the way, i m sorry i couldnt read it all this topic messages and some of idioms or english is hard to me to understand, i couldnt got it all easy)

i want to say, i m not fre and someone kill me by just one reason "gay" ! here is at leats hundreds records samples like this. and no any law defends your life right here. i m well educated a few universties i graduated here i couldnt go anywhere. i stuck here no jobs no life... believe me iran or syria or any muslim country worst than here. so i m thankfull to Allah at least i could hiding by "normal" mask.. but no love affair! impossiable to can feel somethings man to man. i keep myself as be asocial and asexual

mostly you can find a sex budy here, everywhere everytime. sex is easy and %50 man dosent say no if you offer sex.. as if all turkish guys or all muslims are need sex all the time..

BUT never forget you are under the very big deal risk.. its very easy to way you lost...

one of friend was i knew face to face and he had a protest soul to this 2faced life game! he could do sex at least half of city finally someone killed him may be after 3some! and i know big names, famous names here doing everytime if they can find chance but they are maestro or strongly to keep this gay life secret.

anyway i m older enough and all my life i saw real stories around me. i m in this hell and keep living vithout love and sex. its protect me!
islamfoiba yes you very right to feel this but trust me every books says same things dosent matter talmut or bible or quran...
i m belive gays are came from very diffrent point. dosent matter muslim chris or jews we are the same.. just you are western gays are lucky or better fighter than us.

i believe Allah but i dont believe human thats the my point. please pray about me i can find a real love before killed! i need to feel touch by my gay
 

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hi guys, this is my first post in this forum and i m the newbie here. i m from Turkey. and Turkey is most free country in islamic world, secular and modern laws system builted by Ataturk revulations.( by the way, i m sorry i couldnt read it all this topic messages and some of idioms or english is hard to me to understand, i couldnt got it all easy)

i want to say, i m not fre and someone kill me by just one reason "gay" ! here is at leats hundreds records samples like this. and no any law defends your life right here. i m well educated a few universties i graduated here i couldnt go anywhere. i stuck here no jobs no life... believe me iran or syria or any muslim country worst than here. so i m thankfull to Allah at least i could hiding by "normal" mask.. but no love affair! impossiable to can feel somethings man to man. i keep myself as be asocial and asexual

mostly you can find a sex budy here, everywhere everytime. sex is easy and %50 man dosent say no if you offer sex.. as if all turkish guys or all muslims are need sex all the time..

BUT never forget you are under the very big deal risk.. its very easy to way you lost...

one of friend was i knew face to face and he had a protest soul to this 2faced life game! he could do sex at least half of city finally someone killed him may be after 3some! and i know big names, famous names here doing everytime if they can find chance but they are maestro or strongly to keep this gay life secret.

anyway i m older enough and all my life i saw real stories around me. i m in this hell and keep living vithout love and sex. its protect me!
islamfoiba yes you very right to feel this but trust me every books says same things dosent matter talmut or bible or quran...
i m belive gays are came from very diffrent point. dosent matter muslim chris or jews we are the same.. just you are western gays are lucky or better fighter than us.

i believe Allah but i dont believe human thats the my point. please pray about me i can find a real love before killed! i need to feel touch by my gay

Ottosultan ... your post is the most genuinely heartfelt thing I've read for a long time. I cannot imagine the fear you must live with. You must be so very strong. Your survival depends on your ability to hide your feelings and desires.

You are right about all religions being homophobic. There are also places that have no religious prejudices against Gays like China and Russia where life for homosexuals is difficult. But the death penalty for being Gay is very real in Islam.

Is there no way you can join the refugee exodus to Europe? So many are making their way to Germany. Can't you join them? I'm just curious. I am not finding fault with your decision to stay in Turkey. It would be almost impossible for me to pull up roots and leave my country even though I talk about it sometimes.

On a different note I'd like to say I find Turkish men so hot. I've watched a lot of the Turkish oil wrestling videos on Youtube and it really turns me on, hehe. So I'm sure you are a very sexy guy and I will pray you will be safe and find some happiness.

One last thing ... I'd like to add you to my 'Friends' list on Gay Heaven. I will send a Friend Request right now and I hope you will accept.

Lots of love to you my friend Otto :big hug:

Sniffit :heart:
 
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hi all, first of all i m very happy and thankfull to all friends here especially gb2000ie, ralph145b, Shelter, Sniffit, tonka :)
thanks your interest and care to me Sniffit sure i accept your friendship. hope you can visit here one day (before III. world war) its ok when you are at myside, i save you here :)
i working here as graphicer at local tv chanel and i have a son 19 years old. when i was student (it was long education at afew universites) i got a few times scholarships and i wanted to move abroad such as UK, Canada but as you know these countires accept all terrorist easy but no way to turkish people. so i couldnt get visa i lost my money and schoolarships. finally i lost my hope. i sold my house and i moved the little town from istanbul (the biggest city of Turkey about 15 million population)

as i told before living these condutions very hard here. you cant find a job your familiy never accept and protect you and you never find a good and long relationship if you are coming out. you must live in danger

yes if you are visiting from western countries such as US or europe and you are just turist then may be it would be good travel you stay 5star europen marks hotel chains and spend money much then you can find many cheap turkish escorts. your embassy save you already if you dont go with dark back streets.

Turkey is very nice country very historical very good weather and beaches you can see modern and old fashion like europe left oriental right side at the same street.

i m alit bit lucky cos i kept very secret my second face to my mother brothers to all people around me. i didnt married but yes i have a son after years he found me. i was young and yes i was trying to find my way.

nowadays i m fine but as i told, i couldnt live how i wish and noway to make better. i stuck a role here and i m playing with regrets. cos gay meaning to victim. my son accept me my mother may be but my brothers never my friends or boss never.

may be you can not imagine yes you are still far and you have high walls to protect you.
but last 20 years the next generation being fundemental racist and agressive day by day with a big hate about others. (others meaning rich and snob west world who are capitalist and modern) so these new muslim boys growning up %5 population speed as warrior to you. next 20 years they will be 2.200.000.000 bin ladin!
we are secular and modern eastern minotories first harvest for them. but the next is you.
so you must to scare this movement at this far middle earth. they are anger and immigrant they can cut even muslim childreen heads when screaming "ALLAHUEKBER" front of cameras and loading at youtube.

Allahu ekber is meaning gos is great. but when the god lost his mercy? yes still i m believing mercy god. still muslim. but i never trsut these diffrent muslims. they are not human. if you need to beleive sometnigs you need to be human first.

did you ever read about nostradamus? or vanga? or some islamic leaders from last centruies.. all of them said same thing. and its happening when the common sense people sleeping :(

"ahmet yildiz" was my friend from anadolu universty. he was a realy good person which i have met. he was care a little wounded animals at the streets. if he could live he would be an engineer he was smart.
but his father and brother killed him at the front of home. :( nobody care him still police do notting. no judge no law. just he was gay. and i can tell a dozen stories which i know very well their lifes.

ok i stoped i talked much already by the way , trust me i m not pessimistic or paroniac person :)
hugs from hell :) to all forum friends.
 
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Hello Ottosultan - I'm reading your posts with growing interest. I know it must be for you that we gays in the west must live in a paradise. Well it will not be THAT paradise but a million times much better than in your world.

We have to fight here too homophobia. But in no way such as you! It must be really horrible living to be in the closet. I hope you will have a good friend who likes or perhaps loves you?! And if I've understand it correctly - so your son knows that you are gay? And he is accepting you as a gay? If so - be proud of him! Then he, may he be gay or straight, will be a young man from a better future world. And perhaps he will be somedays one of the Turkish people who will overcome these medivial rules in your homecountry.

Much love to you and a long life - a long and HAPPY life.
 

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yes i agree about hardness at everywhere for everyone. societies not building easy and right way. human rights, animal rights, nature rights. and sure gays are not in paradise even in amsterdam
in fact that i mean not just gays when was talking about your western community. i mean all modern and a little bit democratic and richest countires and their public
not in safe world. for a while its looks far or diffrent from there but soon this wave will come to your borders like thusinami.
yes western regular and good laws protects you and makes more logical life styles to you but if these madness grown like this rates the argemadon coming. winter is coming :(

(by the way i m sorry for my broken english language keep learning still myself here)

no my son dosent know my little secret yet. but last 5-6 years i trained him how important humanism and rights and peace in his side. he is diffrent than his generation. most of his friends became religionist and fundementalist by their family and goverment imposed policy. the people changed very changed last 20 years.

i confess that i wouldnt wish that he is gay because being gay is very hard and it makes me realy scare and worry about him. he is straight and he did not interest till now about homosexuality. irony or dilemma but i m happy that he is not gay :(

he share everything with me and keep says that i m the best friend of him. that is the connect me to life. but sorry i cant share everything about me to him. i paid to much to keep hide my military report as gay from my familiy and job. i cant act like friendly or lovely with a man around me. and i have to go mosgue at least important muslim days!
imagine whats more lies to can be "normal" here and can get 400-500 dollars salary to survive !
at least i can keep live :)

i have to back the point that islamfobia is not a little thing. its real. if you can compare west and here.
people dosent understand goodness till lost.
 
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