Kevin Spacey Hits on young Anthony Rapp

[topdog]

Today's news: Not only has Netflix cancelled the future seasons of House of Cards, yesterday they stopped production of the show which just started filming the current season.

I also want to address a couple of points that are coming up.

... He said Spacey “fell on top of him”. This sounds drunk. He said Spacey allowed him to leave and did not force anything. It sounds like a drunken foolish mistake. Nothing like Harvey...

Good point - this is not harrassment or a person in a position of power demanding favors like Weinstein and many other powerful men we have been hearing about. Spacey also did not force himself on Rapp - which he easily could have done; Rapp was small for his age and was no match for the strapping Spacey.

... But did he really know how old Mr. Rapp was at this time?

We don't know if Spacey knew Anthony's age. But we do know that Rapp looked about 12 years old, so if you are thinking that maybe Spacey thought Rapp was older and legal - no. Absolutely not - if anything Spacey would assume that Anthony was younger than he was.

Anthony Rapp with Ed Harris in Precious Sons on Broadway. It was during the run of this show that he attended a party at Kevin Spacey's house. Sp paste Spacey's face on Harris and you have the picture of Spacey carrying Rapp to his bed.​

...30 years Mr. Rapp was quiet - no word - no accusation - no attempt to speak with Mr. Spacey. And now suddenly 30 years later Mr. Rapp is remembering this scene and is accusing Mr. Spacey. All in the tow of the dirty Weinstein affair. As I could read is, that Mr. Rapp is a gay person itself. Why he is accusing Mr. Spacey after this long time? For a better push of his own career? Why???

I understand how this can seem to come out of the blue. But it really isn't. Mr. Rapp told friends and family after he became an adult. He told The Advocate in an interview in 2000 (though he do not name Spacey). The only thing he has done differently is name names.

As for Anthony's career - he is probably at his peak right now, at least as far as popular awareness. He is starring in the new Star Trek series, and he and Wilson Cruz got most of the publicity before the premiere since they are playing gay partners on the show. So, no, he is not pushing his own career. If anything this is a distraction he really doesn't need. He made his statement and now he is trying to shut up about it and move on.

...When I was under 18 older people of 18+ tried to hit on me too and some of them older than 27. I even got stalked by someone for a while.

I just googled it: In the USA many states allow marriages of people under 18, if the courts and the parents agree. Some of them are just 10. ... if Spacey had been a person of power at the time but he was just a 20 something starting new supporting actor. ..

Child marriage is a stain on the moral reputation of the US. But not really relevant here. And yes, you are right - Spacey was not in a position of power. He couldn't further Rapp's career.

And as I said previously, if Rapp had been 18 this would be nothing. It was a sexual overture - not a rape and not a quid pro quo.

But he was 14 year-old who looked like a child being taken to bed by a drunk horny actor pressing him for sex. Not only are you not allowed to have sex with a child, you are also not allowed to offer sex to a child.

Fortunately for all involved Rapp said no and got out of there. But we don't put children in the position of being the adult in the room and having to take responsibility to protect themselves. That's the role of the adult. And adults that not only fail at that responsibility, but take advantage of a confused child are criminally liable.

Due to the statute of limitations, Spacey cannot be prosecuted. But Rapp is speaking up. Who knows if there are more recent examples of this behavior that can still be prosecuted. That is what happened with Bill Cosby - because woman began speaking up even if the events happened long in the past it encouraged more victims to come forward that District Attorneys have been able to take to a jury.

Something else that seems odd about this is the notion that Rapp was an innocent little boy. He wasn't. He was 14. When I was 14 I was curious as hell about sex and couldn't wait to have some. It was what I fantasized about when I spanked my monkey. Rapp said he "wound up" in Kevin Spacey's bedroom, sitting on his bed. Huh? Why do you suppose he "wound up" there? He was a Gay 14 year old who would have been curious about if not anxious to hurry up and have (if he hadn't already had) sex and Kevin Spacey was a sexy older man who Rapp probably had a crush on.

Rapp's statement says that he was in the bedroom to watch TV because he was bored with all the adults in the living room. New York apartments of rising actors aren't big. The bedroom was likely the only other place to go. He went there to watch TV. Rapp said that he was not all that sexually aware at that point in his life - he did not realize that the scene had turned sexual until Spacey was on top of him.

14 is a transitional age; there is no single universal experience of being 14. Some people's hormones kick in early, others later. Some people get married at 14. Some boys - gay or straight - are more than ready to become sexual. But others aren't. For some hormones kick in later kicking off sexuality and bone growth. Anthony's story sounds like the experience of someone who was in some ways sophisticated, but in other ways still a child - very typical of that in between age.

 

[topdog]

Not a defense of Spacey but this is more what he looked like back then. I would have been like W!nston and would have been in his bedroom also.

I think those photos are much earlier. At the time in question he had just made his Broadway debut opposite Jack Lemon in Long Day's Journey into Night as the younger brother Jamie.

Here he is outside the Longacre Theater during the run of the play:

You can see the whole show here (link goes to one of Kevin's scenes with Jack).

 

[Stonecold]

For being 26 in the picture above he looks like he had a bad drinking problem or that is a really bad picture.

 

[topdog]

For being 26 in the picture above he looks like he had a bad drinking problem or that is a really bad picture.

Spacey's days as a pretty boy were very short. Fortunately he had talent. Check out a few minutes of the video linked below for a better look.

Also, for anyone that is trying to understand exactly what occurred - you owe it to yourself to read the original Buzzfeed interview with Anthony Rapp to hear the whole story with all the nuance that puts in to it. He does not intend to do another interview on this topic, so this is all the info we are likely to get.

Actor Anthony Rapp: Kevin Spacey Made A Sexual Advance Toward Me When I Was 14

 

[ihno]

But he was 14 year-old who looked like a child ... being taken to bed by a drunk horny actor pressing him for sex. Not only are you not allowed to have sex with a child, you are also not allowed to offer sex to a child.

A 14 year old, who looks like a child, is not a child and was not a child back then, but a juvenile. Childhood ends, when you can be hold accountable for your actions and f.e. sent into a "juvenile detention center".

Yes, I know, some people would say that 22year old pornstars are "children" but I'll stick with the law.

Who knows if there are more recent examples of this behavior that can still be prosecuted.

Nobody knows. But there are of course many people who fill the gaps with their imagination and then confuse their imagination with the reality. Which is a dangerous thing.

That is what happened with Bill Cosby

I don't know if I have already explained that there is a difference between Weinstein and Cosby and this incident, which remains one incident (in dubio pro reo) of an evening gone wrong till there is reasonable proof otherwise. That's why I said I would need to know more, not just the boulevard.

There is no proof yet that S. did something systematically like Weinstein as a part of a capitalistic system. He also didn't use sleeping pills like Cosby and was later protected by a bunch of employees, who always looked away. All of that makes the Cosby case socially relevant.

- because woman began speaking up even if the events happened long in the past it encouraged more victims to come forward that District Attorneys have been able to take to a jury.

If I remember he already told his story in 2001, but nobody cared.
He also could have gone directly to this District Attorney I guess. Because if someone seeks the public, he can't be too ashamed to go to the police.

And there were the "Coreys", Corey Feldman and Haim, who also went to the public but nobody cared.

And now, after 30 years, it's "opportun" to do so and everybody joins, since: Who knows what else he had done, when he laid on top of a juvenile 30 years ago, right?

 

[W!nston]

I appreciate you removing the comment that suggested I implied Rapp was 'lying' about the alleged encounter in Spacey's bedroom. I never suggested that.

Spacey says he doesn't remember the incident but apologized. Rapp told this story before to The Advocate but did not name Spacey. Naming Spacey now looks like a publicity event in my opinion. I'm not saying it IS one just that it looks like one.

Spacey may very well remember the incident but chose to not give his version of the event. The only two people who have knowledge of it are Rapp and Spacey. Rapp has given his story which is suspect to me. How do we know what Rapp was doing sitting on Spacey's bed? How do we know if he wasn't caught red-handed snooping through Spacey's things which may have led to other actions on his part that caused reluctance to tell the whole story. Once he told the story he had to maintain it. Spacey did not contradict the young man's story and he could have if he wanted to. He could have said he caught him snooping or even sniffing. But he didn't take that route. He apologized and tried to minimize the event.

I'm not saying I know what happened. I'm hypothesizing what may have happened. Only the 2 parties involved know for sure.

And... I think Spacey is a hottie in the picture of him at 28. I'd do him ... especially if I was a horny 14 year old.

 

[Shelter]

Something else that seems odd about this is the notion that Rapp was an innocent little boy. He wasn't. He was 14. When I was 14 I was curious as hell about sex and couldn't wait to have some. It was what I fantasized about when I spanked my monkey. Rapp said he "wound up" in Kevin Spacey's bedroom, sitting on his bed. Huh? Why do you suppose he "wound up" there? He was a Gay 14 year old who would have been curious about if not anxious to hurry up and have (if he hadn't already had) sex and Kevin Spacey was a sexy older man who Rapp probably had a crush on. Rapp said he saw Kevin's picture with another man on his dresser and thought to himself "Oh, he's Gay"
(or did he think "Oh, he's Gay TOO!").

So Rapp was probably in there sniffing Kevin's scent on his clothes or sniffing his dirty laundry and snooping in his drawers and closet and probably found some other "unmentionables" like dildos or other goodies which were all things he conveniently left out of his statement about the event.

I'm not blaming this on Anthony. I'm saying I know what it was like to be a curious 14 year old in a sexy older guy's bedroom who I had a crush on. I was there, I did that, and I sniffed and snooped all over the place. It was my brother in law. He was the older guy I had a crush on. He was sexy and he let me see him in the shower with a huge boner and he just smiled at me. He was teasing me but I knew better than to act on it. I did sniff his things. I did fantasize about him. And if he had fallen on top of me I would have grabbed that big dick of his and starting sucking!

So Rapp's playing a "victim" right now but that 14 year old was snooping in a man's bedroom. Case closed.

:thumbs up::thumbs up::thumbs up::thumbs up:
Great post W!nston! I'll subscribe every word you have written here. Also I don't understand his indignant outcry now after more than 30 YEARS!

I just talked with my BF and I told him he has been a "criminal" - he looked at me and asked "Why?" - My answer: "You fucked me the first time ... when I was 17!" - His answer: "My dear I remember you have been the first who was totally naked!"

And as W!nston said - I was eager to be fucked by him (the man of my dreams!)! So what????

 

[Stonecold]

Anthony Rapp should have kept his mouth shut these many years after the fact. The bottom line is he has put hundreds of people out of work and not help protect any other possible victims over the last thirty plus years.

 

[gorgik9]

I guess I come pretty close to W!nston and Stonecold, and I think W!nston asked precisely the right question: "How do we know what Rapp was doing sitting on Spacey's bed?"

Yeah, exactly! I'm not particularly impressed by the VelociRAPPtor trying to autoportray himself as the incarnation of childish innocense - I mean I know what I did in bedrooms at age 14...

 

[topdog]

I guess I come pretty close to W!nston and Stonecold, and I think W!nston asked precisely the right question: "How do we know what Rapp was doing sitting on Spacey's bed?"...

I find this discussion fascinating; and a bit head-scratching. "How do we know what Rapp was doing..."? The simple answer is that we know what he was doing because he was there and he told us what he was doing (he went in the bedroom to watch TV and was there when Spacey appeared in the doorway, apparently drunk). That's a first person account. You don't get a better source that that.

We even have another first person source - the other person who was in the room: Mr. Spacey. He does not contradict Rapp's story. He accepts it. So we have two people who were at the scene who's accounts harmonize together.

It would seem to me that is the end of the story, unless there is some more overlooked data. But there isn't.

But for many here, that is not the end of the story. They don't believe Anthony Rapp's story. What I am trying to figure out is why? Because if I can understand that it may help me understand why victim's accounts are generally viewed with skepticism.

What 14 year-old is to be believed when he tells a story similar to Anthony's? Because this is a very real problem. If you don't believe Rapp, who are you going to believe? Is there any wonder that actresses hesitate to speak out and name names when the default response is going to be that they are just doing this for publicity and to further their careers?

By the way, who's career in the past has been furthered by reporting sexual abuse? That seems more likely to kill a career that enhance one. Yet, people still reach immediately for that explanation - they are seeking publicity or money.

From what I can see, here is the position Anthony found himself in last week. Does he keep silent and protect Kevin Spacey's career, or does he speak up and stand with the silent victims who are afraid to speak out against a famous person who could potentially sue them in to oblivion - not to mention being known from this point forward as the person who had sex with Mr. X.

For 30 years he protected Mr. Spacey. Last week he decided that the other victims of abuse deserved his allegiance more. Yes, there are now consequences for Spacey. But at the same time Rapp has carved out a safe space for other victims to speak up. If not victims of Spacey, then other former child actors who were pressured in to doing something that they didn't want to do.

Very few show biz kids have been willing to stand up say what happened to them. Often for the same reason Rapp kept silent - because it could ruin the career of the person who hurt them. (Corey Feldman has never named the person who molested him and Corey Haim.)

I think they are protecting the wrong person.

UPDATE: The AP has found another person accusing Spacey of unwanted advances.

Mexican actor writes about encounter in London

A relatively little-known Mexican actor is saying Kevin Spacey fondled or tried to fondle him against his will while Spacey was leading the Old Vic theater in London.

“Those of us who were around him at the Old Vic Theater in London know that a lot more people will come forward with their stories in the coming days and weeks,” Roberto Cavazos wrote in a Facebook post...

“It was more common for this guy, when he was in the bar of his theater, grabbing whoever caught his attention. That’s the way it happened to me the second time,” Cavazos wrote. “I didn’t stand for it, but I know some people who were afraid to stop it.”

He also adds that we should expect to hear more from Spacey's time as Artistic Director of the Old Vic. For their part, the Old Vic company put out a response that such behavior is not acceptable and they have set up an anonymous process for anyone wanting to come forward to complain.

 

[W!nston]

I guess you skipped over my supposition about a curious, horny 14 year old in the bedroom of a man he knows to be Gay with an opportunity to snoop around. During said snooping he is caught by a drunken man whom he thinks might expose him for being a curious 14 year old bold snooping in the bedroom places of a man he knows to be Gay.

Or are you suggesting that Anthony Rapp at the age of 14 had no idea he was Gay himself and that he was truly an innocent little boy with no thoughts of sex nor naked men nor big dicks he was just pure as the freshly fallen snow at the North Pole? I mean come on. I was attracted to boys at a very, very early age. I knew I was different. I knew I would never want to be intimate with girls. I was curious about sex, homo & hetero sex. I just wanted to see dicks going in and out of holes at 14. That is the reason I doubt the story Rapp is telling. I don't doubt all of his story but when he paints himself as the innocent boy when he had been acting on Broadway among adults who no doubt talked excessively about sex and dicks and he would have been titillated by such conversations and then he accepts an invitation to an all adult party at Spacey's apartment and his mother allows him to go without an escort, which I'm sure he insisted on his mother allowing this, I find reasonable doubt that he is telling the whole story.

If he said he was poking around in the bedroom of a man he knew to be Gay and was horny and his hormones got the best of him and he was curious but got caught snooping or sniffing and then thought about doing it with Spacey but changed his mind at the last second ... then I would believe his story was closer to something like what may have happened.

But he sought to paint himself as this innocent victim and now he's throwing Spacey under the bus. I don't believe he told the whole truth. Period.

 

[topdog]

I guess you skipped over my supposition about a curious, horny 14 year old in the bedroom of a man he knows to be Gay with an opportunity to snoop around. ...

Other than your fertile imagination, what is that based on?

I mean you can imagine anything - maybe they were both abducted by aliens and that's why Kevin Spacey can't remember anything about the evening! Go ahead - make up whatever wild story you want.

If the event transpired the way Rapp said, what would he have to do differently that would be believable? How should a grown man stand up and say that someone tried to take advantage of him when he was 14 and he is concerned that he might not have been the only victim? How does he put that into the public conversation after years of keeping the secret so not to damage the reputation of the man who wanted to have sex with him?

 

[W!nston]

There it is. Space aliens abducted both of them. That tactic never gets old, does it? Well, I guess that cancels out anything I think or say 'cause them Space Aliens or next it'll be The Lone Gunman I guess.

Okay. You're right. It happened exactly as Rapp said. There is no evidence other than the testimony of the victim but we must accept that as the absolute truth.

I guess that's my over active imagination at work so just call 'em Space Aliens or some other tag for crazy.

Do you mean to say you never had impure thoughts at 14? You didn't have raging boners thinking about dicks? You believe Rapp was purely innocent at 14?

No. I think you are the one who is imagining things. So let me know when you have a sober thought about the possibility that Rapp was a typical 14 year old Gay with impure thoughts and curiosity.

 

[Stonecold]

I don't like the way Spacey came out, but I do like the fact he said it might have happened. I think if he was a truly bad person he would have called him a liar and denied it. I was sexually assaulted by my stepfather many decades ago when I was under 12 and I have always wondered if someone had said something before that happened to me would it still have happened. I was not believed but I might have been if someone else it had happened to had said something. I might have a different look at this if it wasn't for what happened to me but I have no good feelings for people that wait 30 years to come forward. I always made it a point to let people with young kids know about what happened, I lost family members over it but I could live with that knowing they were forwarned. I guess that is also why I cut a little slack to Spacey for not attacking Rapp and saying it might have happened because I know how it feels to be called a liar and worse for saying something.

 

[brmstn69]

All I'm going to say is that I'm the same age as Rapp and at age 14, I knew every tearoom, glory hole, and cruise spot in town, as well as a few spots in other cities as well. I knew this from older men that I'd had relations with.

And just what the fuck was a 14 yo doing at an adult party with heavy drinking and most likely drug use, it was a theater crowd in the 80's after all. Shows some serious lack of parental judgement.

And finally, it was the 80's and things were much different back then. AID's was still largely misunderstood and there was a fresh wave of anti-gay hysteria sweeping the nation. A gay teen didn't dare come out at school, there was no "gay youth alliance" and even coming out in a progressive college in a liberal city was a risky proposition. So gay youth would often seek out older men as partners who could help them to navigate the "gay underground". Let's not forget that "Age of Consent" laws were originally targeted at gays for this very reason and that many states in the US as well as several countries around the world have much stricter Age of Consent laws for gays than they do for straight couples.

So say your a gay man with decent morals in this period of time and a curious youth shows interest in you, do you...

A. Accept his offer, take him under your wing and lovingly teach him.
or
B. Reject him potentially driving him into the arms of someone who will do him harm?

When you factor in the social climate towards gays of the period, the lines between right and wrong get increasingly blurred. Which is the moral choice, accept or reject?

So I can see where in a drunken stupor a gay man walking into his room to find a curious teen waiting in his bed could possibility be misunderstood. It was after all how things worked back then...

 

[ihno]

Let's not forget that "Age of Consent" laws were originally targeted at gays for this very reason and that many states in the US as well as several countries around the world have much stricter Age of Consent laws for gays than they do for straight couples.

Yes.

In Britain you had clause28 at that time (more or less). And in Germany there was a special law §175 till 1993, which I'm very proud to have acted against it, when I was 18 and had sex with a 17 year old.
"Yeah, I'm a §175, Ich bin ein 175er!" :thumbs up: But then a judge (a dad of a friend) told me back then, that they didn't use the law any more for on about 10 or 15 years. So sad

And I was using contact-ads in a cool paper for cool people. That's when I learned what "friendship means no boundariers" is a chiffre for round big people

That's when my father found out because I marked all the interesting ones with a marker and hid them at a very stupid place.

So I can see where in a drunken stupor a gay man walking into his room to find a curious teen waiting in his bed could possibility be misunderstood. It was after all how things worked back then...

The question came up here serveral times about "lies" or "telling the truth".
If you have two people experiencing something, you have two different perceptions. And there are "misattributions", when you see something that isn't there. So it's more of a grey field in the end.

Plus: it was 30 years ago and your memory changes over time and you adjust little details to make a story more fitting or suiting you better, to remove "dissonances", as the people in white coats call it.

And the point is again that you have to accept a "no" if you hear one.

 

[mark_63]

If this thread stays true to the original story it's fine, as a news story.

We start to have a problem when flights of imagination start playing a part and when we start to bring our own underage exploits/desires into it.

We were all 14 at one time, we all know what we felt and thought at that period of our lives. Those adolescent exploits/fantasies/desires are not to be discussed on this forum.

I can't allow this to degenerate into that type of post or I will be forced to remove the entire thread. ​

 

[Shelter]

As I could read today in my paper Mr. Spacey will now be accused by other persons for sexual assaults.

In this connection too actor Dustin Hoffman is accused by the US autoress Anna Graham Hunter for a sexual assault when she was 17 (32 years ago!).

And the both directors James Toback and Brett Ratner are now accused for sexual assaults by different women.

The swamp is growing bigger and bigger. And perhaps some other, now highly praised persons, will be drowning in it. Is or was Hollywood really this dirty hole? On top Weinstein and all his decadent followers!

After the first news I was very suspicious ---- but in the meantime????

 

[topdog]

... Is or was Hollywood really this dirty hole?

Why, yes. Yes it is now and has been, at least for all my adult life. Also, no need to weep for Spacey or Weinstein - nobody's career is ever over, especially if someone can figure out a way to sell tickets.

And no one illustrates this better than the fabulous but short-lived Fox TV show Action! starring Jay Mohr as a greedy and amoral producer named Peter Dragon. In this short clip, a talent agent is pitching his client to Peter for an upcoming picture.

​

Anyway - back to Mr. Spacey.

More allegations have come forward, one from the Old Vic theater in London that Spacey directed, and another during his time in Hollywood. The big deal that is bubbling around this afternoon is that a second person has come forward to say that he had a sexual relationship with Spacey at 14.

Man Comes Forward to Describe an Alleged Extended Sexual Relationship He Had at Age 14 With Kevin Spacey - Vulture

The man does not want to have his name published and have the press invade his life, so at the moment it remains an anonymous source.

Where's the pro-Spacey backlash?

You might notice that there is not much support for Spacey coming from the Hollywood/Theater communities. That's because Spacey getting caught with his hand in a young man's pants is about as surprising as Lindsey Lohan getting busted for drugs. Spacey has a reputation for being an asshole both on film sets and in the theater.

Some stars are like Tom Hanks or Matt Bomer - just the nicest people you could ever want to meet. Others are entitled pricks that believe that "when you are a star you can just grab them by the pussy", to quote the 45th President of the United States. If you have something they want they will just take it. One producer had an assistant that did nothing but keep track of everything the star stole from the crew and reimbursed them for their losses. Spacey's reputation put him firmly in the latter category.

In addition, everyone knew Spacey was gay - but he would never say so. Being private is one thing, but dating women simply to provide a cover story is something that most people thought died in the 1960s. Lying to the press saying that you are not gay, when every paparrazi has pics of you snuggling up to a string of late teen / early twenty-something young men does not endear you to either the media or theatrical communities.

Just as an insight into how deeply ingrained the Spacey-as-queer-hypocrite meme is in Hollywood, here is every Kevin Spacey joke spliced together from the last two years of the show "Difficult People".

Just to explain the first joke for those that may not follow my Broadway thread over in the Music section - Newsies is a musical about young dancing orphan teen news boys who love to jump and do the splits in mid-air.​

So when Mr. Spacey waited until he was being accused of attempting to have his way with an underage actor to come clean about his sexual orientation, there were not many reserves of goodwill left in the community for him to draw on.

Fortunately for Kevin Spacey, the potentially criminal allegations are very old. As is usually the case with children who are pressed for sexual favors, the truth does not become public until they are many years into the their adult lives and are both able to process what happened and in a place where they feel safe enough to tell their stories. So, the statute of limitations has long passed and no criminal prosecution is possible. That's the good news for Mr. Spacey.

The bad news is that with no court cases to refute allegations, they are all just going to sit there as part of his permanent public record.

 

[ritsuka]

I'm glad more victims are coming forward about Kevin Spacey; more then 8 now, and he was even sexually harassing/assaulting young employees on the set of House of Cards, which was quite recent so there may be some justice served.

Reading these comments, clearly, there is a facet of rape culture specific to the gay community, which primarily functions to denigrate and victim blame young boys who were sexually assaulted by claiming that they 'wanted it' and making broad claims of sexual maturity which are absolutely not universal. Personally I am 100% in favor of the current age of consent laws; it is NOT a significant burden to have to 'settle' for young men who look as "old" as 18, unless you are actually a pedophile. And I truly believe that yes, the onus is on the adult to say, respectfully that 'no, you should be having these experiences with someone your own age' if a minor did make a pass at you.

Anthony Rapp wasn't attracted to and didn't make a pass at Kevin Spacey, nor did the many others who he sexually assaulted. KS obviously got off on the power play, on his ability to take advantage of those who are vulnerable and 'beneath him,' when he could have used the same wealth and prestige to get himself willing, consensual partners who were of age. That is how a predator functions.

As a survivor sexual abuse, I find these myths about boys 'always wanting it' and being 'young perverts' at 11, 12, 14 are incredibly destructive, delusional, and soul-destroying. And in any case, predators go after the children who are shut-down, shy, naive, vulnerable, who have probably already been abused long before puberty; that's how it works. I believe and stand with all male survivors of sexual abuse who are brave enough to come forward and tell their stories. If you were never abused, perhaps acknowledge how lucky you are and don't be so quick to tear apart those who were and call them liars. Boys don't lie about being abused.