Osama Bin Laden Is Dead ? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tomba]

Tony Blair is allowed to voice his opinion in the same way that you and I are allowed to, isn't that right? Or does "free speech" only apply when you agree with what's being said?

Who mentioned his right to 'free speech'? I just don't like Blair.

 

[Jamie]

Was it last week? maybe Friday that I have read somewhere that more than 40% of the americans won't vote for Obama at the next elections...and Today BOOM! OBL is dead...isn't that a weird coincidence ? I mean...hmmm...question marks everywhere...OSM is dead...they have killed an important image of the world wide therorism ...unfortunately there will be others..."The king is dead, long live the king...." Let's just hope it won't take 10 years to catch every therorist like OBL ...

 

[tomba]

A few sites have what is claimed to be the first picture of OBL after being shot. Definitely not for the squeamish.

 

[Stuart]

Don't think this is the place for yap (talk) like this, alive or dead, he'd murder all queers. Think on! Stuart x

 

[Tjerk12]

Ashes to ashes,
Dust to dust.
It’s all a matter of trust.
Who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

[Jamie]

Don't think this is the place for yap (talk) like this, alive or dead, he'd murder all queers. Think on! Stuart x

But where is the place to "yap"? I'll tell you, nowhere. If we were to think about the consequences of any talk on this forum then no one will write/reply/start any threads at all...Even if we didn't talk about OBL , there are a lot lot more topics in this forum to make him kill all queers, don't you think?

 

[neo666]

This was perfect timing. At least the news had a major break today from the Royal Wedding lol.

 

[gb2000ie]

I find it hilarious that people think this is a campaign stunt. America has a shot-term memory of no more than a few weeks. The elections are a year and a half away, this will have no effect.

If you want to influence an election you need to act at election time, not before even the first primary ballot is cast - a week is a long time in politics, a year and a half is an eternity!

As for why no picies of Bin Laden - perhaps because he was shot through the head - that's not exactly a subtle way to go - it leaves more than a little mark on the body!

Why bury him at sea? It's about the only place on earth you could bury him where you would not create a focus for the terrorists. You want that body out of your hair as quick as possible, and you want it somewhere where no one can find it. He's going to be a martyr anyway, but there's no need to give the fanatics a helping hand!

B.

 

[ritsuka]

Tony Blair is a war criminal himself, so I think he should be given all the 'free speech' he'd like from his jail cell at the Hague, but not a special soapbox.

Unfortunately the US policy of extrajudicial assassination is broad, and not just an isolated incident of this one creep. Too many Americans feel a special entitlement to a phyrric revenge, but this is just the typical form of 'justice' we have in this world--justice for rich white western countries, bombs, sanctions, and unending poverty for everyone else. It would have done more to stop terrorism if Obama had withdrawn from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq, Somalia...instead of killing so many peasants, and thereby creating more terrorists. I think this symbol of a dead OBL is going to be used for all the wrong reasons.

The election seasons are absurdly long and grueling in the US; they have already begun, and this is being exploited for Obama's billion dollar re-election campaign, whether it is entirely accurate or not.

Today's edition of democracy now! contains a lot of great perspectives on this.

 

[JeroenS]

First question should be, was there ever an Osama bin Laden? Or is he an "invention" just like the mass distruction weapons that Irak should have had?

If Osama was a real man and if he did the things some people said he would have done I am NOT sorry he died.

But I like see some proof of him alive and dead and not some vague videos that can be made in a simple studio

 

[gb2000ie]

First question should be, was there ever an Osama bin Laden? Or is he an "invention" just like the mass distruction weapons that Irak should have had?

If Osama was a real man and if he did the things some people said he would have done I am NOT sorry he died.

But I like see some proof of him alive and dead and not some vague videos that can be made in a simple studio

That first question is so trivially easily answered that it's not worth writing down. He did not just appear after 9-11, he was well on the radar for years before. We have a full history of him and the rich Oil family he came from. There is a grand total of zero doubt that the man existed, at least not to anyone who spends any amount of time at all doing some simple preliminary research.

Something that seems to have been air-brushed out of US history is his earlier life as a freedom fighter in Afghanistan. Ever hear of the Mujahideen? During the cold war they fought the last super power stupid enough to invade Afghanistan, the Russians. Since anyone who was against the Russians was considered to be on the US side, the US armed the Mujahideen, and Bin Laden made a name for himself training fighters and getting weapons to them - US weapons!

After the Russians were out Bin Laden used his massive inherited wealth to help fund and support the extremist regime in Afghanistan, and set about fighting another super power, the US. Before 9-11 he had already made a big enough name for himself in that regard that Clinton tried to assassinate him but missed. Clinton didn't send in troops, he sent in rockets, and they missed their man. You may has heard of the US embassy bombings in 1998, or the bombing of the USS Cole, those were his work before his 'master piece' on 9-11.

We can be very sure he was real, and we can be very sure he was an evil man determined to murder and kill for religion. We have his own words to that effect!

Am I sorry he's dead - heck no! I'm just sorry it took so long.

B.

 

[Skanner1948]

Bin Laden is now dead. But that makes the world safer?

 

[topdog]

Interesting question. :thinking:

On the one hand, he is no longer around doing videos and taunting the US (and making the US look like knuckleheads for not being able to find the guy - though they've been looking for about 15 years). But on the other, he wasn't physically around his followers, so he is just as inspiring to them dead as alive - maybe more so.

What do you think?

 

[gb2000ie]

Bin Laden is now dead. But that makes the world safer?

I've been thinking about this a lot, and I think that both directly and indirectly, his death has done a small amount to make us all safer.

He was a very charismatic leader and the only leader Al Queda ever had. It's not easy to hold a group of extremists together, it takes an extraordinary man to do that. Can his successor do that? From what I've been hearing from analysts, Zubide is just not that. This could split up Al Queda into a fractious group of warring tribes at it were. Think Monty Python and the Life of Brian - SLITTERS!

A split and leader-less Al Queda is still bloody dangerous, but it's a little less dangerous than a well led and well funded Al Queda.

So that's the direct effect, what about indirect? Well - this operation did not just kill Bin Laden, it was also a massive intelligence coup. They got all his computer gear, which is bound to be a positive bounty of stuff. What ever plans were in the making, perhaps years along the way, they are all compromised now, and what remains of Al Queda will have to start from scratch. Even if they organisation survives and goes on to thrive, this will have set them back years, so in the short-to-medium-term, that does make us safer. It's possible there will be some sort of snap attack in retribution, but snap attacks organised in chaos don't have a high probability of success, and do have a high probability of detection and even more failed terrorists being arrested to join the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber the time square bomber .........

This is not the end of the war on terror, this is not instant world peace, but I do think that in the grand scheme of things it's a good thing.

B.

 

[ritsuka]

Bin Laden is now dead. But that makes the world safer?

No, not at all; the world is still being run by Bin Laden's, like the one in the white house using unmanned drones to kill indiscriminately in Pakistan. The rising tide of US/NATO militarism still threatens the world in a great way, and creates new terrorists on a daily basis through their violence. This act has not undone the massive harm that the US government has inflicted on it's people or the world since 9/11, which is the real crime.

 

[gb2000ie]

No, not at all; the world is still being run by Bin Laden's, like the one in the white house using unmanned drones to kill indiscriminately in Pakistan. The rising tide of US/NATO militarism still threatens the world in a great way, and creates new terrorists on a daily basis through their violence. This act has not undone the massive harm that the US government has inflicted on it's people or the world since 9/11, which is the real crime.

I'm no apologist for US aggression now or in the past, but I hate this kind of false equivalence. Obama is not a random terrorist who's set himself up to go kill people, he's the duly elected leader of a nation that believes itself to be the world's police force, and that feels it has a right to 'protect it's interests abroad'. Obama is doing what the majority of Americans expect him to. Does that make it right? No, but the fault is with America, not Obama.

I agree with you that America is dangerous, but it's not the same as Al Queda, just like Obama is not the same as Bin Laden.

B.

 

[ritsuka]

A majority of American's are against Obama's wars and massive spending on death, so no, he is not doing what americans expect him to do; few real people are neocon pundits paid to appear on CNN. Don't claim false authority over places you don't live as well. Al Queda set out to revenge crimes such as the US governments murdering 1/2 million Iraqi children (and their parents) and propping up dictators like King Saud to host their military bases. They didn't care if there were innocent people who would get hurt at the embassies or in the WTC, just like when Obama uses drones and aerial bombing to kill someone that "intelligence" shows might be in a location, he doesn't care if dozens of innocent people are around who will be killed and lose their homes as well, or if people in the surrounding area will have their health destroyed by the use of chemical weapons such as depleted uranium or by cluster bombs left lying around. So, it really is the same; and has nothing to do with true or false, but with the political opinion you've derived from your sources.

Neither act is legitimate, and all criminal leaders should be treated exactly the same, regardless of the philosophy they place their actions in, and regardless of whether they have a wealthy media apparatus to broadcast their excuses around the world through. Murder is murder; I don't care what anyone's reasons are. Heads of US governments are just like Bin Laden, only worse because their body/building count is massively higher. Dressing up murder and destruction in arrogant, wealthy state propaganda doesn't make it anything different than terrorism.

 

[fridaysp]

Dead or not, we still loose. We have given up some of our liberties just to be compliant. terrorism. New screening at the airport for one, no more liquids. We will always have a bad feeling that another threat would come in.
We will always be afraid.

 

[gb2000ie]

Don't claim false authority over places you don't live as well.

Unless you are lying in your profile, you have no more authority to talk about the US than I do. You give off to me for expressing views about a place I don't live, and then proceed to do EXACTLY the same thing.

Why are you so sure you know exactly what the majority think and no one else does?

B.

 

[duke10inchjh]

How's that working for you now that his OBL followers have also admitted that he's dead?