A New Migration Period

[gb2000ie]

BTW: I've sent some little money to People In Need charity to their campaign for Syrian refugees today. But I know it's not a salavation.

No - but every little helps. No one person, not even any one country, can just make this problem go away. But, every little bit of help given adds up.

It seems hopeless, but even the worst situations can and do improve over time - rarely dramatically or quickly, but slowly and continuously because of the dogged perseverance of volunteers on the ground helping local people, rather than telling them what to do. Basically, it's not up to us to go in and tell people what to do, we should listen, and provide the help that is asked.

Right now it's really easy to know how we can help - people need safe food, safe water, and safe shelter!

B.

 

[Sinnerr]

No - but every little helps. No one person, not even any one country, can just make this problem go away. But, every little bit of help given adds up.

It seems hopeless, but even the worst situations can and do improve over time - rarely dramatically or quickly, but slowly and continuously because of the dogged perseverance of volunteers on the ground helping local people, rather than telling them what to do. Basically, it's not up to us to go in and tell people what to do, we should listen, and provide the help that is asked.

Right now it's really easy to know how we can help - people need safe food, safe water, and safe shelter!

B.

every little helps. but even if you would give everything you have you won't save all of them from drowing and suffocating.(I'm cynical, excuse me please)

Btw. most of them wants more than shelter, food and water - this is what they already had in refugee camp in Turkey. They wouldnt spend their last money and udergo dangerous journey if they wouldnt expect more: job, pretty apartment, car ... well I have nothing against, some of them will surely be able to get a job and earn what they want ... but many will be disappointed... Many of those young man plans to make money build some home and invite rest of family to join them...

Also don't forget that Syrians are only about 25% of refugees heading to Europe

Situation is slowly getting to the point where we (or better to say our politicians) will have to decide if we close borders and create "Fort Europe" or accept the fact that in european citties will be as many homeless people as in Delhi or Dhaka ... have you seen footage from Budapest train station?

 

[Sinnerr]

Maybe it's time to move somewhere else too :rofl:

 

[gb2000ie]

Maybe it's time to move somewhere else too :rofl:

*dirtiest look he can muster*

Seriously?

 

[Sinnerr]

*dirtiest look he can muster*

Seriously?

It depends on you

 

[gb2000ie]

It depends on you

I'm not really in the mood for joking about something as serious as this. I don't find any of it funny. Those images really brought the gravity of all this home to me.

 

[Shelter]

Just I've heard in the radio news that the Hungarian Premier Mr. Orban has said that the problem with the refugees is ONLY a problem of Germany because all the refugees want to go to Germany. So all nations with refugees shall send them at once to Germany!

Mr. Orban really is a very special person, but perhaps he should not go out of the house without a cap onto his head. I think the sun has irreparable injured his brain!

Or shall we call that "European solidarity"?

 

[Sinnerr]

Just I've heard in the radio news that the Hungarian Premier Mr. Orban has said that the problem with the refugees is ONLY a problem of Germany because all the refugees want to go to Germany. So all nations with refugees shall send them at once to Germany!

Mr. Orban really is a very special person, but perhaps he should not go out of the house without a cap onto his head. I think the sun has irreparable injured his brain!

Or shall we call that "European solidarity"?

Hey, but it's truth. 90% of them wants to Germany. If you will let them go wherever they want 90% of them will go to Germany.

 

[Sinnerr]

I'm not really in the mood for joking about something as serious as this. I don't find any of it funny. Those images really brought the gravity of all this home to me.

I was't being joking. I mean, in this world is about 60 million people who have went or plan to go from their undeveloped to some developed country (means U.S., Canada, Europe). And especially Europe has relatively high population density and limited natural resources. If current trend of immigration (especially ecconomical immigration) is going to continue it's gonna be pretty tight here...

So, because I allways liked Spanish language and I'm politically libertarian. My plan B is Chile

 

[gb2000ie]

Just I've heard in the radio news that the Hungarian Premier Mr. Orban has said that the problem with the refugees is ONLY a problem of Germany because all the refugees want to go to Germany.

I actually swore out loud at my computer when I read that in the news this morning - what a shit-head attitude!

This is the very opposite of reality!

B.

 

[jazzeven]

Just I've heard in the radio news that the Hungarian Premier Mr. Orban has said that the problem with the refugees is ONLY a problem of Germany because all the refugees want to go to Germany. So all nations with refugees shall send them at once to Germany!

It is more a german problem than Germany wants to see on the level of foreing politics. Allowing a rather high life standard also means at some point denying it to some people who might want it. However, as this denial does not go down to well and would need a lot of political motivation within europe to accomplish, I am afraid politics will go the easier route: decreasing the standard in order to become unattractive. On a european level this might spiral into a race to the bottom. Whoever get the image of treating the refugees the worst will be rewarded by less refugees appearing at the borders.
Merkel's constant hesitation to do anything bigger than what is ultimatly needed right now once more keeps this problem alive and will mean one more ball in the air europe has to juggle with.

 

[gb2000ie]

... once more keeps this problem alive and will mean one more ball in the air europe has to juggle with.

Or one more can kicked down the road - there a lot of can tinkling down that road ahead of us at this stage!!!

B.

 

[Stonecold]

I know this thread is supposed to be for Europeans only, but I am wondering if any Europeans are now regretting stopping the USA from airstrikes years ago to try and stop all this carnage from getting so bad now, Europe was against any hep to the Syrians trying to over throw Assad starting in 2011 and for several years after that. Americans at least a lot of them are now thinking because of that this is a European problem. Europe may take in millions of refugees but I agree with Sinnerr that you at some point will have to do something else or there will be a million more after that.

 

[gb2000ie]

I know this thread is supposed to be for Europeans only, but I am wondering if any Europeans are now regretting stopping the USA from airstrikes years ago to try and stop all this carnage from getting so bad now, Europe was against any hep to the Syrians trying to over throw Assad starting in 2011 and for several years after that. Americans at least a lot of them are now thinking because of that this is a European problem. Europe may take in millions of refugees but I agree with Sinnerr that you at some point will have to do something else or there will be a million more after that.

I don't think air strikes would have made anything better.

It's a nice thought that all problems can be solved from a few miles up without putting any westerners at risk, but it's a fantasy.

In American politics air strikes are talked about as if they are a panacea - it never works out like that.

The closest it's come to working is Libya, but even there, things have not worked out well.

B.

 

[Shelter]

Germany will receive now thousands of refugees from Syria, Afghanistan, Africa. We will do that because it is a sign of humanity.

But please let me say that the efficiency of Germany is restricted too. Germany owns thanks to the diligence of the people, the capability of their technicians and the dynamic of their contractors the strongest national economy. But too the capacity of the German economy and financial power ist not endless.

We are not capable to take over alone the 400 Billions credits for Greece. And as well 82 millions of Germans from 340 millions people of the EU are not capable to take care for 60% of the incoming refugees.

It is hard - but the EU is a shared risk community!

 

[Shelter]

We are now awaiting more that 1 Million refugees until to the end of the year. And that means much of money has to be paid for them. Just I've heard in our news that it will be possible that our taxes will be raised because of the refugees.

 

[gb2000ie]

I was happy to hear on the news that Ireland is tripling the number of refugees we're taking, but, I think we can do more.

Germany is taking a lead here, in a very positive way, I hope many other countries do the right thing and follow Germany's lead.

The UK, sadly, are showing the opposite of leadership on this issue. Mind you, I didn't expect any more from their right-wing government

B.

 

[Stonecold]

The UK, sadly, are showing the opposite of leadership on this issue. Mind you, I didn't expect any more from their right-wing government

I am wondering if you could explain to me if you do not feel England has a right to protect there way of living. I realize we may not get the total truth on European problems in America but from what we hear England is having serious troubles with Sharia courts and a Muslim population that does not want to go by England's laws but want to continue living by their own.

 

[gb2000ie]

I am wondering if you could explain to me if you do not feel England has a right to protect there way of living.

What a fantastic euphemism!

We are talking about helping refugees, not converting the UK to Islam or anything like that!

Do you think the UK cannot help any more people without collapsing?

The fact that UK were instrumental in forging the complete mess that is the Middle East, going back to before the world wars, and continuing with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, means the UK really should be doing at least as much as Germany

I realize we may not get the total truth on European problems in America but from what we hear England is having serious troubles with Sharia courts and a Muslim population that does not want to go by England's laws but want to continue living by their own.

Have you been watching Fox news? Last year they interviewed some absolute crack-pot-extremists from the UK, and pretended to the American peoples they were serious politicians. One chap in particular lied his face off about the city of Birmingham.

From over here we were shocked at the lies Fox News was happy to air about what is going on here.

I can put your mind at ease, the UK is not a few Muslims short of becoming a caliphate. The British constitutional system, as weird as it is at times, is still up and running just fine.

The UK is just not pulling it's weight, that's all.

B.

 

[W!nston]

I know this will be taken the wrong way and I probably shouldn't ask but what the hell...

Why is it Europe's responsibility to absorb millions of refugees from the Middle East and Africa?

There are plenty of Muslim countries in the world who could take in those fleeing the IS. Why isn't it Saudi Arabia's, U.A.E.'s, Kuwait's, or any one of the other hundred Muslim countries responsibility? Where is their sense of 'humanity' for their fellow Muslims?

Saudi Arabia alone has enough wealth and plenty of space for tens of millions of refugees.

I've never been to Abu Dhabi but I have friends who visited there and say it is a fantastic city without any residents... just transient migrant workers and filthy rich elite types... plus the tourists and travelers passing through.

There are many refugees fleeing to Europe from African countries, too, right? Why does Europe have to absorb them? There are prosperous countries in Africa. South Africa for example. Why can't they take them in? Wouldn't the refugees be welcome there? If no why not?

Another question comes to my mind. China has entire cities full of empty skyscraper apartment and office buildings with all the infrastructure built in. They could take in 100,000,000 refugees with room to spare. Why aren't they jumping in to absorb the Muslim and African refugees? Has anyone asked them or tried to guilt trip them into taking them in?

Why should Europe take millions of destitute refugees with only the clothes on their backs then house, feed, provide health and education for them when countries in their own geographical area or with their own cultural background have more of a responsibility to help them than Europe?

Now, go ahead and repeat all of the politically correct dogma about how America and Europe are to blame for all the bad things in the world etc.

:cheers: