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Mick Jagger was born on July 26, 1943. 'Appy Birthday Mick!
 

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In 1803, Jessop opens the Surrey Iron Railway - the world's first public railway. Jessop was a British civil engineer who worked on a number of projects throughout the Empire. The nine-mile long narrow gauge railway linked Wandsworth (then in Surrey) and Croydon – now all parts of South London. Surrey Iron Railway used horse-drawn wagons to move goods along the River Wandle valley.

A great story, but the picture totally does not match!

For a start, in 1803, the camera was still over 30 years from being invented at all!

Not to mention that everything about that picture just screams "America" - British men never dressed like that, and Surrey doesn't, nor never did, have trees like that!

I think this is the best you'll do for what it sorta-kinda looked like:


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A great story, but the picture totally does not match!

For a start, in 1803, the camera was still over 30 years from being invented at all!

Not to mention that everything about that picture just screams "America" - British men never dressed like that, and Surrey doesn't, nor never did, have trees like that!

I think this is the best you'll do for what it sorta-kinda looked like:


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I think it's necessary to correct the corrector...

"in 1803, the camera was still over 30 years from being invented at all!"

Nothing of the sort! The camera obscura (latin: dark room) or camera optica was based on priciples well known in ancient China and Greece, and the modern pinhole camera was constructed by the great Arab optician Ibn al-Haytham (965-1039) also known as Alhazen.

Al-Haytam's pinhole camera was well known to many European renaissance artist to make perspective drawings and one of the artists to popularize the Camera Obscura was Leonardo da Vinci in his Codex Atlanticus.

In the late 16th century Giambattista della Porta improved the camera obscura by putting a biconvex lens to replace the pinhole.

Here's a few pictures of old camerae obscurae:

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Below is an illustration of the camera obscura in Diderot's and d'Alembert's Encyclopédie:
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And this is a drawing from the 18th century showing how the camera obscura was used in practice to make perspective drawings of a big building:
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In the last pic we can see several small camerae obscurae for making - daguerrotype plates, i.e. we see the earliest practical "marriage" of the camera obscura and the photochemical process to become famous under the name "photography":
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So the camera had been invented for many,many centuries. What wasn't invented until the 1820s-30s was - photography. It's conventional to say that the invention of photography was announced in Paris, France, in 1839 by inventor, businessman and entertainer Louis Daguerre, but photography was really in the air and there were dozens of inventors working in the 1820s-30s to find the the best practically useful photographic process. Other important names were Thomas Wedgewood, William Fox Talbot and John Herschel in Britain, Nicéphore Niépce in France and Hercules Florence in Brazil.
 

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Gorgik you are the reason why it is worth to stay on GH. So many things you are able to explain to us in a very easy way - I mean understandable for everyone. So, that it is really interesting to read your posts.

You are writing profound and interesting. I, for myself, am always caught by your different posts here. To every theme you can give us a very vivid explanation.

With this words I want to thank you from deep of the bottom of my heart for such instructive lessons. And I'm honest to say that I've learned so much through your lessons here.

And what is the greatest thing: no one of these lessons here have ever been boring or have been told in a contemptuous matter. Thank you for sharing your great knowledge with us. Thank you so much.

If I could I would appoint you as an Prof.
 
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I'm going to correct the corrector of the corrector - the camera obscura was a drawing aid and/or a toy for entertianing dinner guests, it was not an actual camera because it could not record an imaget. A camera is a device that captures and stores an image in a way that it can be looked at later. Without the capture and storage, you do not yet have a camera. The photo in your original post could not possible have been 'taken' before the true camera was invented, because until then, images could not be captured, only projected for real-time viewing.

The Camera obscura was a vital stepping-stone towards the invention of the camera though. If you take a camera obscura, and place a material coated with a light-sensitive chemical at the place where the image is cast, then you have a very big camera.

The closest you can get to a 'photo' taken with a camera obscura is a Vermeer painting. He used the device to help him create his realistic looking paintings, which remind us so much of photographs because they contain lens lens distortions and depth-of-field effects!

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I'm going to correct the corrector of the corrector - the camera obscura was a drawing aid and/or a toy for entertianing dinner guests, it was not an actual camera because it could not record an imaget. A camera is a device that captures and stores an image in a way that it can be looked at later. Without the capture and storage, you do not yet have a camera. The photo in your original post could not possible have been 'taken' before the true camera was invented, because until then, images could not be captured, only projected for real-time viewing.

The Camera obscura was a vital stepping-stone towards the invention of the camera though. If you take a camera obscura, and place a material coated with a light-sensitive chemical at the place where the image is cast, then you have a very big camera.

The closest you can get to a 'photo' taken with a camera obscura is a Vermeer painting. He used the device to help him create his realistic looking paintings, which remind us so much of photographs because they contain lens lens distortions and depth-of-field effects!

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Well, no.

The camera obscure was an optical device, having as such no necessary connection to the photochemistry of silver halides (in particular silver iodide, silver chloride and silver bromide).

Louis Daguerre used small size camerae obscurae, placed the sensitized plate inside, took the cap of the lens and let the light shine through it. The exposure time was very long - sometimes several minutes.

Then when the plate had been developed in heated mercury fumes in a special developing box, the plate had to be fixated by removing the remaining silver halide in a solution of sodium thiosulfate. And then you get a daguerrotype plate with a picture on it.

For some strange reason you seem to wrongheaded take for granted, that a camera must necessarily be a photographic camera. Not at all, Daguerre had no need to invent the camera, it had - as I said - been invented centuries before. What Daguerre invented was the type of photochemical process we call the daguerrotype process.

What he did was to put the sensitized silvercoated copperplate inside the very traditional camera, and the type of camera obscura used by Daguerre is at rock bottom the kind of construction more modern photographers and camera manufacturers call the Single Lens Reflex camera, the SLR.

So there is no necessary connection between photochemical processes and the camera. It was Daguerre (and other inventors at about the same time) who made the connection happen.
 

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Well, no.

The camera obscure was an optical device, having as such no necessary connection to the photochemistry of silver halides (in particular silver iodide, silver chloride and silver bromide).

Louis Daguerre used small size camerae obscurae, placed the sensitized plate inside, took the cap of the lens and let the light shine through it. The exposure time was very long - sometimes several minutes.

Then when the plate had been developed in heated mercury fumes in a special developing box, the plate had to be fixated by removing the remaining silver halide in a solution of sodium thiosulfate. And then you get a daguerrotype plate with a picture on it.

For some strange reason you seem to wrongheaded take for granted, that a camera must necessarily be a photographic camera. Not at all, Daguerre had no need to invent the camera, it had - as I said - been invented centuries before. What Daguerre invented was the type of photochemical process we call the daguerrotype process.

What he did was to put the sensitized silvercoated copperplate inside the very traditional camera, and the type of camera obscura used by Daguerre is at rock bottom the kind of construction more modern photographers and camera manufacturers call the Single Lens Reflex camera, the SLR.

So there is no necessary connection between photochemical processes and the camera. It was Daguerre (and other inventors at about the same time) who made the connection happen.

The point I was making is not that it had to be photochemical, but that a recording has to be made for the device to be a camera.

The dictionary is very clear on this:

a device for recording visual images

The first way we discovered to record a visual image was with photo-sensitive chemicals, which were placed in the focal plane of a small camera obscura.

Today, only a tiny fraction of the images recorded each day by cameras rely on photosensitive chemicals - now its all about solid state devices which transform photons of light into electrons. That is how our digital cameras work.

The etymology of the word photography also puts recoding front and centre - when you break it into it's component parts and translate to English, you get someting like "writting with light".

The camera is named after the camera obscura, but the camera obscura is not a camera.

BTW - if anyone wants to learn about the history of photography from an expert teacher, I can highly recommend the History of Photography podcast by professor and photogapher Jeff Curto (http://anon.projectarchive.net/?http://photohistory.jeffcurto.com).

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Thank you GB for this very interesting link.
 

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The point I was making is not that it had to be photochemical, but that a recording has to be made for the device to be a camera.

The dictionary is very clear on this:



The first way we discovered to record a visual image was with photo-sensitive chemicals, which were placed in the focal plane of a small camera obscura.

Today, only a tiny fraction of the images recorded each day by cameras rely on photosensitive chemicals - now its all about solid state devices which transform photons of light into electrons. That is how our digital cameras work.

The etymology of the word photography also puts recoding front and centre - when you break it into it's component parts and translate to English, you get someting like "writting with light".

The camera is named after the camera obscura, but the camera obscura is not a camera.

BTW - if anyone wants to learn about the history of photography from an expert teacher, I can highly recommend the History of Photography podcast by professor and photogapher Jeff Curto (http://anon.projectarchive.net/?http://photohistory.jeffcurto.com).

B.

For some reason you don't think I know what I'm talking about, but I can assure you that I do - and, on the other hand, I didn't really think you were putting cameras in the heaven of Platonic ideas...

The camera (obscura, lucida, optica - whatever...) was and is an optical device, invented many centuries before the invention of what we call photography, and yes - wham bam thank you, ma'am - I know very well the meaning of the composite greek word photography (from: phos, light and graphein, which can mean both writing and painting or drawing).

I also know the historical-intellectual context when the word was coined: as far as we know it was first coined in french - photographie - by the French-Brazilian inventor Hercules Florance no later than 1834, that is at least 4 years before sir John Herschel coined english photography in 1839.

The intellectual context for the coinage of this word was the Romantic philosophy of Nature, and this new fresh word very well mirror what contemporary intellectuals found so fascinating about it all - a totally new kind of image made not by human hand, a painting or drawing made by the natural sunlight...

So what fascinated Harcules Florance, John Herschel, William Fox Talbot and so many other wasn't the very well know camera obscura, it was the photography as such. (Well, Fox Talbot had his own name for the process; he called it "calotypie", but he understood the calotype as a drawing made by the sunlight, just like Herschel's photography.)

But of course Florance, Herschel, Fox Talbot, Niépce, Daguerre and other pioneers weren't more stubborn and stupid than they understood, that a well known type of optic-artistic instrument - the camera obscura - could be used in a new way: the camera obscura could be made into a - photographic camera!

I'll give you two pictures to show you this transition: the first is the very first ever heliographic engraving, made in 1825 by Nicéphore Niepce, the second is the first photographic image made with a camera in 1826 or 1827, and the camera in question was the only historically possible camera, i.e. a camera obscura.

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The basic problem for inventing photography had nothing to do with the camera. The problem was to make PERMANENT pictures using some kind of photographic process, and the picture above which is the very first photo image ever made is what Niepce gave the name heliographic engraving.

But a bit later - in 1826 or 1827 - having mastered the basic permanence problem he started putting the sensitized photographic material inside a camera obscura, and the result was "Wiew from the window at Le Gras", the first of all photos made by a camera:

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Let's end with a few words about words, dictionaries and history!

An ordinary dictionary of the English language is an instrument to inform about the more usual contemporary uses of a word or a cluster of words, but the dictionary can't decide what's the correct use, if there is some kind of correct use at all. However, it's pretty useless as an instrument for historical research. To that end you have to have a historical dictionary like the Oxford English Dictionary and its "relatives" in other languages.

About the word camera: well, it's good old latin meaning "chamber" or "room" (just like "penis" means tail...), and the word as such has nothing to do with neither optical devices, nor capturing images.

But I guess that Caesar, Cicero and Augustus had no idea what camera meant...
 

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On this day: 30th July

In 1941, Paul Anka, a Canadian American singer, songwriter, and actor, was born in Ottawa, Canada. He is one of the biggest teen idols of the late '50s, who virtually invented the singer/songwriter/heartthrob combination that still tops pop music today. He rocketed to fame with a slew of hits - from "Diana" to "Put Your Head on my Shoulder" - that earned him a place touring with the major stars of his era, including Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Buddy Holly.

 

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On this day: 31st July

In 1961, at Fenway Park in Boston, Massachusetts, the first All-Star Game tie in major league baseball history occurs when the game is stopped in the 9th inning because of rain.

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On this day: 11th August

In 1956, Jackson Pollock, an influential American painter and a major figure in the abstract expressionist movement, was killed in an automobile accident in East Hampton.

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Jack The Dripper...

Jackson Pollock was an alcoholic - he died in a car crash in his cabrio along with a woman (a friend of his girlfriend) - he caused the accident by driving drunk.
 

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Meanwhile, today in history - 15th August - Napoleon Bonaparte was born.
 

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On this day: 25th August

In 1927, Althea Gibson was born in South Carolina. She was the first African-American tennis player to compete at the U.S. National Championships in 1950, and the first black player to compete at Wimbledon in 1951. In 1956, she became the first person of color to win a Grand Slam title (the French Open). She also broke racial barriers in professional golf.

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On this day: 28th August

In 1957, South Carolina Sen. James Thurmond begins 24-hr filibuster against civil rights bill. Thurmond insinuated that the bill, which would ensure that black voters would have ready access to polling booths, was unconstitutional and tantamount to “cruel and unusual punishment.”

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In 1957, South Carolina Sen. James Thurmond begins 24-hr filibuster against civil rights bill. Thurmond insinuated that the bill, which would ensure that black voters would have ready access to polling booths, was unconstitutional and tantamount to “cruel and unusual punishment.”

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Wasn't there another racist ultraconservative senator named Thurmond, Strom Thurmond? Were they related in any other sense than both being racist ultracons?
 

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I think there has been only on person named THURMOND.
If I'm right his name was James Strom Thurmond.
And the black-people hater has had a daughter from a black maid. That's what I call a "staircase wit".
 
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