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:) I think here was writte everything. If you want anything in life you must go for it. Nothing will fall to your feet from skies. And fuck all prejudices. Forget everything what you've heard in church or religion lessons in school you don't need in cos you're intelligent human being. Use your brain and listen to your "animal nature".
 

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:) I think here was writte everything. If you want anything in life you must go for it. Nothing will fall to your feet from skies. And fuck all prejudices. Forget everything what you've heard in church or religion lessons in school you don't need in cos you're intelligent human being. Use your brain and listen to your "animal nature".

I totally agree dear Sinner.

The church that I know it very well, I can give a judgment more than competent on the subject.

I wrote and I followed with interest on this thread, but after so many words I want to reiterate a phrase attributed to Jesus, which should close the circle:

"There is no worse deaf as those who will not listen."
 

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If you don't experience things, and take a chance and experiment...you'll never know what you want and need.
You've really boxed yourself in, Deef. I hope you can find a way past it.
 

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When I will start experience, I will regret it. I just know it. I don`t know how.

But thanks for nice word, guys.
 
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Why you think you will regret?? Priest told? Fuck him. He is sellfish manipulator. He has his life and you got yours. You will regret if you won't try it. Now you have best ages of life. It's time to play time to have a joy. Do what makes you happy. Btw: How you know that priests are so clean as the tell. Lot them cheat about celibate.

If think you won't be good christian when you would have something with boy, I can tell you thats bullshit. Well I'm not religious, but many gays around the world are! There are also supporting groups of gay and lesbian christians. In Czech Rep. group "Logos". I think in program of last year Prague Pride was also church for religious gays which they made in colaboration with Evangelic church. I also saw in TV interwiew with Miloš Rajchert, protestant pastor (and former anti-communist dissident) where he told that he is willing to give blessing to any gay couple if they while going into registered partnership promis him that they will stay together utill death. Many protestant pastors in Czech Republic do that. They has nothing against same-sex couples and their sexual activities. Only RC Church still is in middle ages. So you can believe within living your own. Without fear of punishment. Maybe I could writte them email if some of them speak polish or english. If so I'll send you contact.
 

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You conviced me. I guess. I think that I starting dealing with it. :)
 

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Welcome to the real world, that is half the fun (and fear) of taking a dive into something new, you might screw it up, you might fail, you might enjoy yourself, you never know, but why set yourself up with that state of mind before you even begun to experience anything? I told a priest I was BI, he told me I was sick and i needed to be cured, he offered to pray for me. I told him he had offended me and that if he truly understood god, that all our sins (no matter what), are forgiven. So I told him to take a hike...I found some wonderful friends as a result of the church and some not so wonderful, however that is the nature of the beast. I still go to church and those who do not like me for that reason have long since gone... I wish I had said it sooner than 24, I missed a lot, but I was scared too...
 

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I salute you, Sinnerr!!! You're getting through to our hardheaded friend!

Your friends here, Deef, have put the church out of our lives. Easily for me, many harder for others. It just was not essential to me, and my life is better for it.

If you do decide it is central to your self, you have to find a path for you. I think Sinnerr has a very good thought. Find a religious community that can accept you. Not a mask you put on, but you. It will take work, and some courage, but I'm sure it exists in Poland (very quietly, no doubt.) A god of love and compassion. Not a god of fire and brimstone.

My real opinion, however, is to let it go. You can be a good person still. Compassion, fairness, honesty. All the good virtues your good family taught you. Be gay and a good person too. That might be hard for you to imagine right now. But look around on this board.
That's mostly what you find here. These people are kind, nice people....and are engaging their sexuality. ( Not devils. Angels have sex too!)

Anyway, you have much to think about. I was really glad to come home and read your post.
I was beginning to think we were just talking at you, and not with you. I was wrong.
 

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Guys... everything fucked up...
I gave up my studies, and I'm in place where I have started. I can’t face fighting with myself. My parents hate me I guess...

I'm keep thinking about suicide but I'm affraid of do that shit. I hate myself :-/

My english is worse than I think..
 
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Guys... everything fucked up...
I gave up my studies, and in place where I started. I can

It took me almost an hour to respond to this message, but the same problem, still unsolved, has frustrated all. :angry:

Have patience, Deef, I will try to rewrite the message.
 

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Guys... everything fucked up...
I gave up my studies, and I'm in place where I have started. I can't face fighting with myself. My parents hate me I guess...

I'm keep thinking about suicide but I'm affraid of do that shit. I hate myself :-/

My english is worse than I think..

Dear Deef,

As you can see I'm still here and I follow you.

Suicide is not a solution. Although it takes a lot of courage to make this gesture, it is always an act of cowardice, like not to want deal with the problems of life.

Your parents hate you? Then you do not deserve the love of their child.

Rather than making a gesture as suicide, runs away from home and left it all behind (just an option), better than suicide.

Remember that the human being is born free. If someone have previously tried to imprison you, it's time to get rid of.

I suggest you read this thread. You'll find that life is not easy for anyone. It's up to us to change the course of our life.

http://www.gayheaven.org/t297454-have-you-ever-disowned-or-been-disowned.html

Everyone is master of his own destiny.
 

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My friend Deef is back.

And I started that way because it's really important. We are your friends. Reach out to us. Tell us what's going on. ( Your last post was pretty scary, but pretty sketchy). Many of us have gone through really bad times, and come out the other side. With more wisdom, and
a better way forward.

Hang in there, my friend.
 

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LOTS of our hands hangng out there deef...just reach out! You'll grab on to one and probably many more.

look brother....MOST of us here have been at that point. You think you're totally FUCKED UP with everything in life and there is no one there to help. LOOK AROUND....You found your way here...check it again...GH has the most wonderful cast of characters and misfits you can ever imagine! We're not one singular community....we're like 100 different campsites around a big fucking forest and YOU DECIDE where you want to PITCH YOUR TENT!p:p

in other words...we're all cool AND different so welcome Deef! You're NOT alone:)

pm me for further proof,
g33
 
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It seems that you're somewhere where you don't want to be. So imagine where you would like to be, make a plan and start work on it. And stop think abou suicide. Probably you think you're in shit, totally. But maybe you're on the start of something what is far better than anything what you've have ever experienced. You never can tell. If you think your at the bottom, best thing you can do is bounce back and swim up. We are willing to give you some advices if you want. But first you have to know where do you want to be, and next work on it.
 

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Dear Deef,

As you can see I'm still here and I follow you.

Suicide is not a solution. Although it takes a lot of courage to make this gesture, it is always an act of cowardice, like not to want deal with the problems of life.

Your parents hate you? Then you do not deserve the love of their child.

Rather than making a gesture as suicide, runs away from home and left it all behind (just an option), better than suicide.

Remember that the human being is born free. If someone have previously tried to imprison you, it's time to get rid of.

I suggest you read this thread. You'll find that life is not easy for anyone. It's up to us to change the course of our life.

http://www.gayheaven.org/t297454-have-you-ever-disowned-or-been-disowned.html

Everyone is master of his own destiny.


Hello, thanks for following me. It means a lot for me. I'm of the opinion that suicide isn't cowardice. I think that it's a way to solve so much problem with that human being can't manage. I can't run away from home because of one simply problem. I don't have money, I have problem with my mind (you know, depression, obsessive-compulsive neurosis, social anxiety disorder) Oh God. :/

I understand my dear, that life sucks totally. But... it's still hopeless and I don't see point in living. In my case "living" is only sitting at my room and thinking about new, better life or suicide. I fuck that kind of live. Really.




My friend Deef is back.

And I started that way because it's really important. We are your friends. Reach out to us. Tell us what's going on. ( Your last post was pretty scary, but pretty sketchy). Many of us have gone through really bad times, and come out the other side. With more wisdom, and
a better way forward.

Hang in there, my friend.

Hmm, I have really fucked mind, my grandmother died in my arms, I have started studies but I gave up and then I started another kind of studies and now I gave up again!!, my kitten somewhere gone, someone overshot my dog - and he's in really bad condition..., my parents keep fighting with me and they want to send me to a psychiatric hospital because of social phobia. And i'm a such ugly person and additionally, I'm totally stupid! :worried:
Thanks for call on me "friend". It's nice.

LOTS of our hands hangng out there deef...just reach out! You'll grab on to one and probably many more.

look brother....MOST of us here have been at that point. You think you're totally FUCKED UP with everything in life and there is no one there to help. LOOK AROUND....You found your way here...check it again...GH has the most wonderful cast of characters and misfits you can ever imagine! We're not one singular community....we're like 100 different campsites around a big fucking forest and YOU DECIDE where you want to PITCH YOUR TENT!p:p

in other words...we're all cool AND different so welcome Deef! You're NOT alone:)

pm me for further proof,
g33
Thanks,
I know that everyone is cool here (except me!), I met here one lovely person form London. He's my penpal. I really like him.

But honestly... I'm think that I'm not fit to gay society. I'm not fit anywhere!

It seems that you're somewhere where you don't want to be. So imagine where you would like to be, make a plan and start work on it. And stop think abou suicide. Probably you think you're in shit, totally. But maybe you're on the start of something what is far better than anything what you've have ever experienced. You never can tell. If you think your at the bottom, best thing you can do is bounce back and swim up. We are willing to give you some advices if you want. But first you have to know where do you want to be, and next work on it.

I don't want live in this town, when I see faces who I hate, I need throw up!
I thought that when I'll start study I will change, I thought that I'll feel that I'm living... Actually I gave up studies because of social phobia.. It's destroing my life :( and to be honest

I hate myself and people the most I can! :sick:

And I can't stop thinking about suicide because when I think about that shit I feel relaxed and it show me another point to solve my stupid problems.


PS. I miss you, guys :)
 
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Dear friend Deef,

fuck hate. I understand you, you feel people in your town hate gays and anything nontraditional. But thats the reason why they are so ugly - this their hate. Don't be like them. Hate is emotion what drains you like a lemon if you have it. I don't say you should love they, no, but just don't care about them. Concetrate your focus to some good things which brings you good mood. Perfect first aid could be music. So lets listen to your favorite music and make your mood better with it. When your mood will be a bit better go in front of mirror, look at you, make a smile and say to yourself "I love you".
I would say it's first step you should do at the moment.

Your penpal Sinnerr
 

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But I can't.. i just hate people coz I blame them for my condition..I think that I became really rude peron, totally selfish and unpleasant...coz of loneliness.
I'm listening music now. I practically all the time listen music and it gives me temporary relief..
 
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As i said, just don't be like them. They're rude, selfish and unpleasant. You can be different, I know that. Everyone seems to be red when you are seeing red.

Anyway, whats your idea for the future? You don't have to respond immediately. Listen to good music and think about it.

And you're not lonely. You have bunch of friends at least on this forum. So feel free to participate in more threads than this one only.

Have you surfed this section: http://www.gayheaven.org/f106-daily-humor-amp-funny-stuff.html ?
 

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Pop, Rock, Metal, Electro, House, trance ;) I don't like hip-hop and rap..
 
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