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It's also pretty hard to compete with established and accepted standards thus Windows, in large part carries it's momentum on conventional PC sales. Apple and Google have a death grip on phones and tablets. Notice how most proprietary phone platforms seem to mimic Android or iOS?
 

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Another program that brings back the Win 7 start button and menus is Start8. It gets great reviews and you can configure it to skip the dreadful Metro screen entirely at start up.

I played with Win8 and it is a mess - no rhyme or reason to navigating or operating the mess.
 

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I tried it for a month and went back to 7. I really think it is designed to be touch screen friendly... on a regular laptop or PC it tends to be a little clunky. I also couldn't get a lot of the Windows 8 apps from the store to load properly.
 

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I have updated as well. When I started, I had the strong desire to break things, in fact I couldn't get the freaken hang of it. Then I started learning it over with a touch screen and it made so much more sense. Using it on a PC isn't easy still, but I'll get the hang of it once I learn all the shortcuts. It's not like my apple products where I sit down for ten minutes and I can maneuver it easily, but Microsoft has so many features necessary for the more "serious" parts of my life. I still have trouble doing word processing on an ipad.
 

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I shopped around for an ultra book during Christmas but I was disappointed in Windows 8. It simply is not intuitive and it seems "8" is the only OS for ultra books. Consequently I purchased nothing.
 

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I shopped around for an ultra book during Christmas but I was disappointed in Windows 8. It simply is not intuitive and it seems "8" is the only OS for ultra books. Consequently I purchased nothing.

There is always the option of Linux on netbooks and ultrabooks - and of course the original ultrabook is the MacBook Air which is 100% Windows 8-free :)

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Thanks for that gb2000ie. I think I will go shopping again and look for Linux. :)

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Thanks for that gb2000ie. I think I will go shopping again and look for Linux. :)

Zaylor

You don't have to go looking for Linux - just buy anything and ignore the OS that comes with it. Then download a good Linux distro like Linux Mint or Ubuntu, and install it.

I doubt you'll find many (if any) netbooks with Linux pre-installed.

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I came across this video today and thought it was very relevant to this discussion.

It's not short, but it is extremely well done and very entertaining:



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I've seen Win 8 but not actually used it. I'm waiting on a touch-screen laptop, so it will be interesting.
 

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Hope Windows 8 pro wont be a disappointment...
 
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Hope Windows 8 pro wont be a disappointment...

Dude Windows 8 pro is already installed in your computer all the way up to windows 8 enterprise... I have win enterprise here and the only thing that change it will be an upgrade key at 60 dollars more or less. Since windows vista, an upgrade key unlock the other versions... so just install a genuine version and you purchase an upgrade key and voila... well I didn't pay for mine LOL I had it straight installed from Microsoft Internal Pixie boot LOL my version is never going to die LOL. But still dude embrace your windows 7... with the global dissatisfaction with windows 8... windows 9 is on the road :)
 

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Same thing happened with six it was crap so they quickly jumped to 7 and now 8 is crap so they'll quickly jump to 9
 

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Win 8 really needs a touch interface to be used properly. So on a tablet it is great, but can be cumbersome on a desktop.
 
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I agree with gb2000ie, depending on where you live. I think you can order a Dell with a Linux install.
I would just get the computer you want, right size hard drive, memory, processor.
Then download a linux distro, and dual boot.
I'm using Mint at the moment which I really like, but have to have
Windows on for a couple things I do.
 

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I have been using Win8 Pro since it was released.

Win8 has gone in the wrong direction for business. Win8 Pro (and Enterprise) is closer to Windows Home Advance and Windows 8 (just Windows 8, no home, pro or other) is closer to Windows Home Basic. Windows RT is just Windows Phone 8 and can't even run Windows apps for Windows 7 and earlier.

The nice "find anything" search on a start menu is gone. Then, their new Find only searches by specific category. Worse, their new Find does not integrate with Office 2010 or earlier. The new Find only integrates with WinRT apps -- of which there are still very few.

The jump-lists are missing from the "start menu" which is now a full-screen start page. You have to pin the shortcut to a task bar in order to get jump-lists.

The context menu for the start page is now a bar all the way at the bottom. Fine for touch, but annoying for mouse.

If your app isn't pinned to the start page, you have a messy long list of all your apps to scroll through or have to search for it every time. For those who use a lot of different apps consistently (like researchers and engineers), this is a pain.

There are two task switchers now: one for "x86" apps (which is their current term for both 32-bit and 64-bit apps) and one for WinRT apps (which is their "Interface-Formerly-Known-As-Metro" stuff). Trying to use the mouse for the WinRT switcher is annoying. An XBox controller would work better.

Win8's RSAT doesn't work with anything before Windows 2012. 2008r2 and Win7 are only one version back and you can't manage them from a Win8 workstation (or 2012 server).

Thank goodness that tsclient still exists because the WinRT Remote Desktop doesn't do half of what made Remote Desktop useful in previous versions. You have to go find the old tsclient, though, so it seems they're trying to phase it out for this useless new one.

They are pushing WinRT hard right now. WinRT requires the Windows Store (MS's version of the Apple and Android app stores). WinRT works on both desktop and ARM devices, but Intel's got an ARM-killer at the starting gate that is a low-power, multicore x86-architecture chip that will work with existing Win64 apps (and WoW64 for 32-bit apps like Windows already does). There's no way MS didn't know about this. The only reason WinRT exists anymore is for the Windows Store.

Windows had a great market for business, research and engineering due to its versatility. The direction towards WinRT removes a lot of that. Either they have forgotten their client base, or they want to jump on the "replace every two years" bandwagon of mobile hardware. Either way, it's bad.
 

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^They have the right idea of trying to unify the user experience across all Windows devices. They screwed up by trying to pass off Metro as being appropriate for a laptop or desktop. Also, they've succeeded in making an OS uglier than Windows 1 or 2. Come to think of it, I'm surprised people familiar with the first version of Windows aren't having flashbacks.
 

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The only time I've messed around with Windows 8 was here recently at a Best Buy store.

The main thing that bugged me was how much slower everything felt going through menus and programs compared to Windows 7 and older OSs.

And, yes, the new menu layout, etc. was just completely ugly and awful to use. If I ever get a new PC in the future, I'll have one custom ordered that includes Windows 7 or I'll just wait to see if Windows 9 is better.
 
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